Did Jesus say he was God???

[InChrist]

Who are the two [2] LORD/Lord's of Psalm 110v1 ?

Isn't the Tetragrammaton only applied to the one LORD [YHWH] in all capitals ?

The LORD said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand,
Till I make Your enemies Your footstool. Psalm 110:1

God the Father and God the Son, in the Person of Jesus Christ as Messiah, are the two to whom this verse refers. David records the Father speaking to his Lord the Messiah Jesus. YHWH applies to the ONE Creator God, which I believe the scriptures show to be triune as God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. ONE God composed of three Persons with God-nature and attributes, similar to a human family with the family name Jones, composed of a father, mother, and child. They are one family and although they are one family there are three persons in this one family. Each person is fully human and possesses human nature and characteristics, yet they are still one family called Jones.


The use of the two words LORD/Lord in Psalm 110:1 is to differentiate between the Father and the Son with the purpose of emphasizing Jesus’ position as Savior/Messiah. The Son as God has eternally dwelt with His Father in the fullness of the Godhead so the term YHWH equally applies to Him as a member of the Godhead, but it was as God-man in the Person of Jesus Christ, who was resurrected and raised to the right hand of Majesty on high ever to appear as Savior on behalf of humanity and until all His enemies are subdued under Him.

 

[outhouse]

Mark 10:18 "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone."

 

[InChrist]

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[/FONT]What is "essence/nature" exactly? These words are used often, when explanation is asked for, it is rarely given. Other than that, your second sentence makes no sense, please explain.

I mean by essence/nature the qualities and or characteristics that define God. Similar to human nature or the things which make a human being a human, Humans have human nature and God has God nature. Humans do not have the nature or divine attributes that only God the Creator possesses. God is distinct in that He possesses certain abilities and attributes that no other has...but the Son is shown in scripture to possess all these attributes and to be God in His essence and nature.

[FONT="]The second part of my statement, "The difference is that Jesus, unlike any other Being in existence, while being fully God is also a fully resurrected human. From this position of a resurrected human Jesus can address the Father as God anytime He sees fit to do so.[/FONT]" means that Jesus is now eternally not only God, but also resurrected human. As such He is the Savior, Mediator, High Priest, and Mediator for humanity before the Father. As representative for humanity, being a fully resurrected human Himself, He may address His Father as God and does so on our behalf.

 

[InChrist]

Mark 10:18 "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone."

Well, are you saying the one who called Jesus good actually thought He was bad? Or are you saying that Jesus was denying His goodness and saying that He was bad? Jesus was asking a rhetorical question which was to cause the one asking to realize that because He (Jesus) was truly good in the full sense of the word then He truly was God, because only God is good.

 

[outhouse]

Well, are you saying the one who called Jesus good actually thought He was bad? Or are you saying that Jesus was denying His goodness and saying that He was bad? Jesus was asking a rhetorical question which was to cause the one asking to realize that because He (Jesus) was truly good in the full sense of the word then He truly was God, because only God is good.

the only thing im posting is scripture you follow

the scripture i posted is more accurate then johns scripture as it was written much earlier the the J gospel.


how you interpret it, is on you. One thing is certain, yeshua never claimed to be yahweh, and there is a reason the trinity is not taught in ANY gospel, its man inspired , not divine as you place the gospel authors you dont know

 

[outhouse]

Matthew 19:17, Mark 10:18 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
Matthew 27:46, Mark 15:34 My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Mark 16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
John 8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God.
John 14:28 My Father is greater than I.
John 20:17 I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
Acts 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
1 Corinthians 11:3 The head of Christ is God.
1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
Colossians 3:1 Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

 

[InChrist]

An atheist quoting scriptures is an oxymoron.

 

[outhouse]

An atheist quoting scriptures is an oxymoron.

why because we know your religion better then you?


I thought you would love the two verse where we see one copying the other, how original [facepalm]

 

[waitasec]

An atheist quoting scriptures is an oxymoron.

why would you say that?
in order to prove a misconception one first needs to assume the benefit of a doubt with a truck load of salt.

 

[waitasec]

why because we know your religion better then you?

how embarrassing...

 

[Dirty Penguin]

An atheist quoting scriptures is an oxymoron.

This has absolutely no bearing on one's ability to hold a theological discussion. Do I need to be a scientist to have a general discussion on the theory of evolution if I'm familiar with what I'm talking about? Should only Muslims debate Muslims, Jews to Jews and Christians to Christians...? NO....I find that "some" non-theist know and understand the scripture and even the history more than the believer.

 

[outhouse]

This has absolutely no bearing on one's ability to hold a theological discussion. Do I need to be a scientist to have a general discussion on the theory of evolution if I'm familiar with what I'm talking about? Should only Muslims debate Muslims, Jews to Jews and Christians to Christians...? NO....I find that "some" non-theist know and understand the scripture and even the history more than the believer.

Maybe he is worried that if we cant see the magic and mirrors, we will never know the true christianity??

 

[Protester]

At His first coming Jesus did not come as King of Kings and Lord of Lords or to proclaim that He was God. He came in humility to live as the second Adam in human flesh and die for the sins of the world. Yet, His words and His life demonstrated that He was God in the flesh, who came to redeem His creation. As others have pointed out His many I am statements show this to be true. The scriptures are clear that there is only ONE Savior and no one other than God could be the Savior or save anyone.


The I AM statements of Jesus
I Am statements of Jesus

In chapter one of Hebrews it is clearly shown that the Son is called God by God His Father, the Son has the same glory as God His Father and is the express image of God, the creation of heaven and earth were the work of the Son, the Son does not grow old or change because He is eternal, the Son is not an angel as the Watchtower teaches, but is to be worshiped by the angels.

God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds; who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, having become so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
For to which of the angels did He ever say: “You are My Son, Today I have begotten You”?
And again:

“I will be to Him a Father, and He shall be to Me a Son”?

But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says:

“Let all the angels of God worship Him.”
And of the angels He says:

“ Who makes His angels spirit and His ministers a flame of fire.”

But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You with the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”

And:

“You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands. They will perish, but You remain; And they will all grow old like a garment; Like a cloak You will fold them up, And they will be changed. But You are the same, And Your years will not fail.”
But to which of the angels has He ever said:

“Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool”?

Are they not all ministering spirits sent forth to minister for those who will inherit salvation?

Hebrews Chapter1


All the apostles and disciples who gave up their lives for Christ realized that He was God, as did Thomas when He said, “My Lord and my God.” , which is literally translated, the Lord of me and the God of me. As it was with Thomas, so it is with every born again believer the moment they put their trust in Christ as Savior the Holy Spirit reveals the truth that Jesus is God.

I like the message, "in Christ," and to those that think Christ, was a, "created being," I will point out this short monograph from which this excerpt was taken:

The hypostatic union is the term used to describe how God the Son, Jesus Christ, took on a human nature, yet remained fully God at the same time. Jesus always had been God (John 8:58, 10:30), but at the incarnation Jesus became a human being (John 1:14). The addition of the human nature to the divine nature is Jesus, the God-man. This is the hypostatic union, Jesus Christ, one Person, fully God and fully man.

from What is the hypostatic union? How can Jesus be both God and man at the same time?


as it is in most accurate Bibles you will find a quotation like this:

John 1

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through him. Without him was not anything made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and the life was the light of men. ---HNV

As the Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown Commentary has for the first verse of that:

John 1:1:

1. In the beginning—of all time and created existence, for this Word gave it being (Joh 1:3,10); therefore, "before the world was" (Joh 17:5,24); or, from all eternity.
was the Word—He who is to God what man's word is to himself, the manifestation or expression of himself to those without him. (See on Joh 1:18). On the origin of this most lofty and now for ever consecrated title of Christ, this is not the place to speak. It occurs only in the writings of this seraphic apostle.
was with God—having a conscious personal existence distinct from God (as one is from the person he is "with"), but inseparable from Him and associated with Him (Joh 1:18,Joh 17:5,1Jo 1:2), where "THE FATHER" is used in the same sense as "GOD" here.
was God—in substance and essence GOD; or was possessed of essential or proper divinity. Thus, each of these brief but pregnant statements is the complement of the other, correcting any misapprehensions which the others might occasion. Was the Word eternal? It was not the eternity of "the Father," but of a conscious personal existence distinct from Him and associated with Him. Was the Word thus "with God?" It was not the distinctness and the fellowship of another being, as if there were more Gods than one, but of One who was Himself God—in such sense that the absolute unity of the God head, the great principle of all religion, is only transferred from the region of shadowy abstraction to the region of essential life and love. But why all this definition? Not to give us any abstract information about certain mysterious distinctions in the Godhead, but solely to let the reader know who it was that in the fulness of time "was made flesh." After each verse, then, the reader must say, "It was He who is thus, and thus, and thus described, who was made flesh."

 

[Mcshane22]

When I was a Christian I was entranced by the miracles(magic tricks) as it played to my deposition of liking magic shows. But everyone knows when you have knowledge of the secrets it is not as entertaining. In my studies of Spinoza I have to concur that nothing is above Nature(God) there for anything that appears to be supernatural it must have a natural and rational explanation. Just because we don't have knowledge of that natural explanation does not mean we should ascribe Divinity to it.

 

[Mcshane22]

find that "some" non-theist know and understand the scripture and even the history more than the believer.

This is very true, I would also like to add that former Christians who truly held a fear of hell would not jump off the band wagon with out some definitive research first.

 

[InChrist]

This has absolutely no bearing on one's ability to hold a theological discussion. Do I need to be a scientist to have a general discussion on the theory of evolution if I'm familiar with what I'm talking about? Should only Muslims debate Muslims, Jews to Jews and Christians to Christians...? NO....I find that "some" non-theist know and understand the scripture and even the history more than the believer.

I said nothing about having a theological discussion. I just think it is insincere and hypocritical for an atheist to quote scriptures when the reality is that an atheist does not believe the scriptures to be true.

 

[outhouse]

I said nothing about having a theological discussion. I just think it is insincere and hypocritical for an atheist to quote scriptures when the reality is that an atheist does not believe the scriptures to be true.

The key phrase should have been "I dont find all scripture to be true"

Much of it is true and I do like the positive aspects with the religion

I just happen to feel much of it is fiction from unknown authors building a theology

 

[Mcshane22]

I said nothing about having a theological discussion. I just think it is insincere and hypocritical for an atheist to quote scriptures when the reality is that an atheist does not believe the scriptures to be true.

I don't believe the case of atheist is not that they think the bible is not true just not the abosolute truth(gods word, divine inspired) some as my self believe they are narrations of events written by persons other then those who were present at the time these events occurred and it's their motives and integrity that's in question.

 

[InChrist]

The key phrase should have been "I dont find all scripture to be true"

Much of it is true and I do like the positive aspects with the religion

I just happen to feel much of it is fiction from unknown authors building a theology

You are certainly free to feel whatever you feel, but this is inconsistent with God's Word.


All Scripture is given by inspiration of God...2 Timothy 3:16

 

[Mcshane22]

What I can say in repect to Christ based on biblical readings is that he is above all the other prophets in that he seemed to convene mind to mind rather then lucid visions of angels or burning bushes. his knowledge and wisdom did come from something higher not supernatural but perhaps as Spinoza says it "God or Nature" I too hold Jesus in a high regard but as a mortal man who had profound knowledge that showed how we should live to achieve enternal blessedness