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Did Jesus Teach Freedom From Religious Law

Muffled

Jesus in me
Good.



You're saying: "... it isn't a law ... "

Jesus is quoted: "Why do you call me Lord, Lord ( the law giver ), and not do what I tell you?"

You're welcome to explain. But, I will not accept Paul. I will only accept the words of Jesus in this matter.
A law is a general specification usually written. What Jesus requires of me is not necessarily a law for everyone. For instance he told me to eat bananas but that was specific to my health and not someone else's. There is someone in our congregation who was told by God to eat vegan but that is for that person's health and is not a law for me.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Did Jesus Teach Freedom From Religious Law

No, Yeshua- the truthful Israelite Messiah never did that, he himself followed the Law of Moses , rather it is an accusation of Saul/Paul and Pauline-Christianity and the Pauline-Church against (Jesus) Yeshua, right, please?:

5:45
Surely, We sent down the Torah wherein was guidance and light. By it did the Prophets, who were obedient to Us, judge for the Jews, as did the godly people and those learned in the Law; for they were required to preserve the Book of Allah, and because they were guardians over it. Therefore fear not men but fear Me; and barter not My Signs for a paltry price. And whoso judges not by that which Allah has sent down, these it is who are the disbelievers.
And Yeshua- the truthful Israelite Messiah is one such obedient person/prophet/messenger of G-d, right, please?

Regards
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5:45

اِنَّاۤ اَنۡزَلۡنَا التَّوۡرٰٮۃَ فِیۡہَا ہُدًی وَّنُوۡرٌ ۚ یَحۡکُمُ بِہَا النَّبِیُّوۡنَ الَّذِیۡنَ اَسۡلَمُوۡا لِلَّذِیۡنَ ہَادُوۡا وَالرَّبّٰنِیُّوۡنَ وَالۡاَحۡبَارُ بِمَا اسۡتُحۡفِظُوۡا مِنۡ کِتٰبِ اللّٰہِ وَکَانُوۡا عَلَیۡہِ شُہَدَآءَ ۚ فَلَا تَخۡشَوُا النَّاسَ وَاخۡشَوۡنِ وَلَا تَشۡتَرُوۡا بِاٰیٰتِیۡ ثَمَنًا قَلِیۡلًا ؕ وَمَنۡ لَّمۡ یَحۡکُمۡ بِمَاۤ اَنۡزَلَ اللّٰہُ فَاُولٰٓئِکَ ہُمُ الۡکٰفِرُوۡنَ ﴿۴۵
 
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Lisa Sims

Not BORN AGAIN Yet, But I'm On My WAY!
There is 10 Commandments that were written for man to follow Exodus Chapter 20, 1 Thou have no other gods before me. 2 you shall have no idols. 3 you shall not make idols: 4 Thou shall not take the Lords name in vain. 5 Remember the sabbath. 6 Honor they Father and Mother. 6 You shall not murder. 7 you shall not commit adultery. 8 you shall not steal. 9 you shall not bear false witness against thy neighbor 10 you shall not covet. God only gives us 10 simple laws to follow. When we follow them we live good lives among the pagans.
God through Jesus gave us an ELEVENTH Commandment which paves the way to the fulfillment of the first Ten Commandments. The 11th commandment heralds the next step in the evolution of man, a transformation (metamorphosis), toward divinity, which Jesus called a re-birth (born again, born from above, born of the spirit, born of God), and which makes it impossible for us to sin. Nicodemus, master in Israel, 7/30/1915

Jesus was the 1st mortal example of having the "fruits" of being born of the spirit (Galatians 5:22) and of possessing the "gifts" of the spirit (1st Corinthians 12), and of possessing the Light of God's "Glory" 1, all evidence of the Divine Love of God (agapē) indwelling one's soul to a great degree. Something all of us can seek and receive in daily prayer and meditation in the same way Jesus and his apostles and disciples in the early church did.

John 13:34-35 (Jesus commands his followers) “A new commandment I give to you, that you should LOVE one another. As I have LOVED you, so you also should LOVE one another. By this all will know that you are my disciples, if you have LOVE one for another.”

The word translated as “love” in this passage is the verb form of “agapē”-- GOD'S DIVINE LOVE. If we ASK for it, WAIT for it, and WATCH for it in prayer we will receive it and will be able to LOVE with it. The ELEVENTH COMMANDMENT is therefore: PRAY TO RECEIVE GOD'S DIVINE LOVE, THEN, USE IT TO LOVE OTHERS.

“...It was during the Passover meal before my arrest by Pilate that I gave to my disciples the Eleventh Commandment. I meant that since I loved mankind, and especially my followers, with the Love that came to me from the Father’s Essence, the disciples were to seek the Divine Love in prayer to the Father and love one another with this Divine Love. Thus, we were all to be One in the Father’s Love. This was the Commandment to be obeyed by my followers, and binding upon them, just as the Ten Commandments were binding upon all Jews of that time, and even of this day, as the moral precepts given to mankind by God through Moses…” Jesus, through Dr. Samuels

This is how Jesus fulfilled the Law and how we can all fulfill the Law and help usher in the New Era of the Brotherhood of Man on a restored planet.

Our first parents rejected God's offer of his Divine Love and experienced the "first death," the withdrawal of God's Gift from mankind. The "second death" will occur sometime in the future when God again withdraws the offer of His Gift and closes the Gates of the Kingdom of Heaven to all but those already ascending toward it in receipt of His Divine Love.

The first parents of other planets accepted God's offer and had a history much different than ours.

Note (1) John 17:20-23 “But I do not ask for these only, but also for those believing in me through their word, that all may be ONE, as You, Father, are in me, and I in You, that they also may be in Us, that the world may believe that You sent me. And I have given them the GLORY which You have given me, so that they may be ONE, as We are ONE– I in them, and You in me– that they may be PERFECTED in unity, so that the world may know that You sent me and LOVED them even as You LOVED me.”

“Glory” is light, as in “the Glory of the Lord shone round about,” (Luke 2:9). It's the halo of light we see in portraits of Jesus and the illumination he and, to a lesser degree, Moses and Elijah Daniel, prophet of old, 7/21/1915 demonstrated on the Mount of Transfiguration (Matthew 17:2-3). “Glory,” as used in this verse, is a visible measure of the amount of God's Divine Love in one's soul.

Other Bible References:

Jeremiah 31:33-34 “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put MY LAW within them, and I will write it on their HEARTS. And I will be their God, and they shall be My people. And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they shall all KNOW ME, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”

Ezekiel 36:26-27 “And I will give you a new HEART, and a new SPIRIT I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a HEART OF FLESH. And I will put my Spirit within you, and CAUSE you to walk in my statutes and be careful to OBEY MY RULES.”

John 3:1-8 And there was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. He came to (Jesus) by night and said to him, “Rabbi, we know that You have come from God as a teacher, for no one is able to do these SIGNS that You do, unless God should be with him.” Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, except anyone be BORN FROM ABOVE, he is not able to see the Kingdom of God.”

Nicodemus said to Him, “How is a man able to be born, being old? Is he able to enter into the womb of his mother a second time, and to be born?” Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless anyone be born of water and of the Spirit, he is not able to enter into the Kingdom of God. That having been born of the flesh is flesh, and that having been born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not wonder that I said to you, ‘It is necessary for you all to be BORN FROM ABOVE.’ The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but you do not know from where it comes and where it goes. Thus is everyone having been BORN OF THE SPIRIT.”

Romans 5:5 “And hope does not disappoint us, because God has poured out His LOVE into our HEARTS (SOULS) through His Holy Spirit, which He has given to us.

2 Peter 1:3-4 “Accordingly, His DIVINE POWER has given us all things toward LIFE and GODLINESS, through the KNOWLEDGE of the One having called us by his own GLORY and excellence, through whom He has given to us the precious and magnificent promises, so that through them you might become PARTAKERS of His DIVINE NATURE, having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.

1 John 3:9 Anyone having been born of God does not practice sin, because His seed abides in him, and he is not able to continue sinning, because he has been born of God.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
God through Jesus gave us an ELEVENTH Commandment which paves the way to the fulfillment of the first Ten Commandments. The 11th commandment heralds the next step in the evolution of man, a transformation (metamorphosis), toward divinity, which Jesus called a re-birth (born again, born from above, born of the spirit, born of God), and which makes it impossible for us to sin.....
John 13:34-35 (Jesus commands his followers) “A new commandment I give to you, that you should LOVE one another. As I have LOVED you, so you also should LOVE one another. By this all will know that you are my disciples, if you have LOVE one for another.”
I'm going to move past the error of thinking the Torah only has 10 commandments, when it has 613.

You claim that loving one another is a new commandment, but its not.
Leviticus 19:18
Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
There is 10 Commandments that were written for man to follow Exodus Chapter 20,
Actually the commandments were given to Israel, not the nations. How many times does it say, And the LORD said unto Moses, speak unto the Children of Israel, saying... Not to the other nations. Not to the world. Not to man (or woman). To the Israelites.

I find that Christians quite often forget that the Torah is a book written by Jews about Jews for Jews. If you all are inspired by our sacred texts, that's wonderful. It just gets a little weird when you start forgetting where they came from and who they were for.

This is a side issue, but I always find it a little confusing when Christians act like there are only 10 commandments. There are 613.
 
There are so many Christian religions out there. In order to know the religion that teaches the truth one has to have full knowledge of the Word themselves. Studding the bible takes patience and will to want to know the truth of God and life. When you have the full knowledge of the bible yourself you will know what religions teach the full truth and what ones are just there for the money.
 
The Bible was written for the Whole World to have knowledge of not just the ones in the bible. Once the word was taught to them then the word is to be taught among nations to also learn the word of God. When you go to school to learn you are learning from books written from many people that teach us how to read and write and history. We do not see those people but we learn from there knowledge. We do not see God, but we learn from his word to live good lives and obey him.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
When you have the full knowledge of the bible yourself you will know what religions teach the full truth and what ones are just there for the money.
There are highly intelligent, deeply devoted individuals in every Christian denomination who have studied the Bible extensively, yet they still disagree with each other.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Did Jesus Teach Freedom From Religious Law
The Bible was written for the Whole World to have knowledge of not just the ones in the bible. Once the word was taught to them then the word is to be taught among nations to also learn the word of God. When you go to school to learn you are learning from books written from many people that teach us how to read and write and history. We do not see those people but we learn from there knowledge. We do not see God, but we learn from his word to live good lives and obey him.
The Bible was written for the Whole World
while (Jesus)Yeshua- the truthful Israelite Messiah was sent by One G-d to the house of Israel only, both living in Judea and or were from the Diaspora. So making/compiling/writing of Bible was of no utility at all, please, right?:
3:50
And will make him a Messenger to the children of Israel (to say): ‘I come to you with a Sign from your Lord, which is, that I will fashion out for you a creation out of clay after the manner of a bird, then I will breathe into it a new spirit and it will become a soaring being by the command of Allah; and I will heal the night-blind and the leprous, and I will quicken the dead, by the command of Allah; and I will announce to you what you will eat and what you will store up in your houses. Surely, therein is a Sign for you, if you be believers.
Right?

Regards
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3:50
Original Arabic text from Muhammad' time is below:-
وَرَسُوۡلًا اِلٰی بَنِیۡۤ اِسۡرَآءِیۡلَ ۬ۙ اَنِّیۡ قَدۡ جِئۡتُکُمۡ بِاٰیَۃٍ مِّنۡ رَّبِّکُمۡ ۙ اَنِّیۡۤ اَخۡلُقُ لَکُمۡ مِّنَ الطِّیۡنِ کَہَیۡـَٔۃِ الطَّیۡرِ فَاَنۡفُخُ فِیۡہِ فَیَکُوۡنُ طَیۡرًۢا بِاِذۡنِ اللّٰہِ ۚ وَاُبۡرِیٴُ الۡاَکۡمَہَ وَالۡاَبۡرَصَ وَاُحۡیِ الۡمَوۡتٰی بِاِذۡنِ اللّٰہِ ۚ وَاُنَبِّئُکُمۡ بِمَا تَاۡکُلُوۡنَ وَمَا تَدَّخِرُوۡنَ ۙ فِیۡ بُیُوۡتِکُمۡ ؕ اِنَّ فِیۡ ذٰلِکَ لَاٰیَۃً لَّکُمۡ اِنۡ کُنۡتُمۡ مُّؤۡمِنِیۡنَ ﴿ۚ۵۰﴾
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
The Bible was written for the Whole World to have knowledge of not just the ones in the bible. Once the word was taught to them then the word is to be taught among nations to also learn the word of God. When you go to school to learn you are learning from books written from many people that teach us how to read and write and history. We do not see those people but we learn from there knowledge. We do not see God, but we learn from his word to live good lives and obey him.
The Tanakh, what you call the Old Testament, was written to Jews, not the world. If you are inspired by our sacred texts, that is wonderful! But no, they don't "belong" to the world.
 
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