Did Moses ascend?

[Mr. Peanut]

Moses died and his body buried. His spirit and soul went immediately to be with the Lord. All who die in Christ are immediately absent from the body and BAM! present with the Lord. I Thes. 4 says Christ will return with his saints and their bodies will rise and be changed and then we who are alive and remain shall rise and be changed and meet the Lord in the air and shall ever be with the Lord.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Moses died and his body buried. His spirit and soul went immediately to be with the Lord. All who die in Christ are immediately absent from the body and BAM! present with the Lord. I Thes. 4 says Christ will return with his saints and their bodies will rise and be changed and then we who are alive and remain shall rise and be changed and meet the Lord in the air and shall ever be with the Lord.

Is that what is being argued?

 

[Blentyn chan Celi]

The problem with Jude is that it was written in different period, and by all account from a different religion to Judaism.

This is the only reference to Michael and Satan fighting over Moses' body. It is totally absence in the Hebrew scriptures, or what we called the Old Testament. So how reliable is it?

Just a thought.

 

[eqwel]

ascend? Moses? To where?

 

[eqwel]

There are no activities here. Is that normal?

 

[gnostic]

Welcome to RF, eqwel.

ascend? Moses? To where?

Didn't you read the OP?

I am wondering if Moses had died, and then resurrected, long before Jesus was ever resurrected. Elijah and Enoch (Genesis 5) had ascended without dying, taken to heaven. Christian doctrine (and the New Testament bible) teach that Jesus was responsible ascension by the mean of dying and body and spirit then being resurrected.

Moses appeared with Elijah on the mountain before Jesus and his 3 apostles, James, John and Peter, in the Transfiguration episode.

So the question, did Moses ascended or being resurrected after his death? Was he the 1st to be resurrected, before Jesus' death and resurrection?

There are no activities here. Is that normal?

I do need my sleep, eqwel. I am not on-line 24/7.

 

[Big_TJ]

The bible says that The Lord buried Moses. If he had ascended, I believe it would have said so. But that is just my opinion.

This is interesting . . " the lord buried Moses" was written in a book of the bible that was supposed to have been written by Moses. So, here we have a dead man telling how he was buried!

 

[Big_TJ]

Moses died and his body buried. His spirit and soul went immediately to be with the Lord. All who die in Christ are immediately absent from the body and BAM! present with the Lord. I Thes. 4 says Christ will return with his saints and their bodies will rise and be changed and then we who are alive and remain shall rise and be changed and meet the Lord in the air and shall ever be with the Lord.

I have a question on this. Do people's body still aged when they die? For instance, if I had a baby brother that died when he was 1, and Christ return when I am 80, what age will be my brother on that day??

 

[gnostic]

This is interesting . . " the lord buried Moses" was written in a book of the bible that was supposed to have been written by Moses. So, here we have a dead man telling how he was buried!

The same could be said of books of Samuel. Samuel died in Book 1, and doesn't appear at all in Book 2.

The Torah, the 1st 5 books of the scriptures of Tanakh and the Bible, have been attributed to Moses. It doesn't necessarily mean that he wrote any of them. Not once in these books of Moses did the author mentioned "I". If Moses did write the books, then why did he refer himself only in the 3rd person.

 

[Francine]

If Moses did write the books, then why did he refer himself only in the 3rd person.

Because "the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth." (Numbers 12:3)

 

[gnostic]

Because "the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth." (Numbers 12:3)

Or perhaps someone else had actually wrote the Exodus, Numbers and Leviticus, which is the most likely scenario.

You have to realise that only tradition state that these 4 books (including Genesis, but excluding Deuteronomy) have been "ATTRIBUTED" to Moses. The author's name have never been written on these texts. Of course, it is still possible for Moses to write them, but unlikely.

A person name, on the title of the book, doesn't mean he was the one writing the book, such as Joshua, Samuel, Job, etc.

Could Samuel have written the books with his name on it, when he died before even the 1st book ended?

 

[sandy whitelinger]

This is interesting . . " the lord buried Moses" was written in a book of the bible that was supposed to have been written by Moses. So, here we have a dead man telling how he was buried!

That is the reason that Thomas Paine questioned Moses' authorship of the Tanach in his "Age of Reason."

 

[Big_TJ]

The same could be said of books of Samuel. Samuel died in Book 1, and doesn't appear at all in Book 2.

The Torah, the 1st 5 books of the scriptures of Tanakh and the Bible, have been attributed to Moses. It doesn't necessarily mean that he wrote any of them. Not once in these books of Moses did the author mentioned "I". If Moses did write the books, then why did he refer himself only in the 3rd person.

We were told that the the bible was written by men inspired by GOD. Obvioulsy Moses did not write the Torah (or at least some of it). So, who wrote them, and how do we know that the person/persons were inspired by GOD?

 

[Big_TJ]

Because "the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth." (Numbers 12:3)

Let's talk logic . . Would the "meekest" man in the world wrote that he is the "meekest" man in the world??

 

[gnostic]

We were told that the the bible was written by men inspired by GOD. Obvioulsy Moses did not write the Torah (or at least some of it). So, who wrote them, and how do we know that the person/persons were inspired by GOD?

There lay the problem.

As I said earlier, no author's name was given in any of the texts of the Torah. It is only from "tradition" that state Moses was the author. Tradition is not fact or history.

Nothing survived that was dated in Moses' generation. The oldest surviving fragment of the Torah is Numbers 6:24–27, around 600 BC.

 

[Francine]

Let's talk logic . . Would the "meekest" man in the world wrote that he is the "meekest" man in the world??

Even if Moses didn't write it, how can Moses be described as the world's meekest man without introducing a contradiction in terms?

 

[Ephramsdaughter]

Why does this all remind me of a scene from "Return of the Jedi"?

What about Stargate SG1/Atlantis - the Ancients [& Daniel Jackson]?

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Let's talk logic . . Would the "meekest" man in the world wrote that he is the "meekest" man in the world??

If the stetement is true it doesn't violate logic.

 

[gnostic]

If the stetement is true it doesn't violate logic.

Only a vain and arrogant person would write something like this about himself.

 

[Big_TJ]

Only a vain and arrogant person would write something like this about himself.

B I N G O !!!!!!!! There is no way in heaven, hell or earth would a meek person be boasting that he is the meekest! This seem to be the writing of an extremely arrogant person!