Underhill
Well-Known Member
So voting is the only way to engage that matters? I would argue that protesting is a time honored method of engaging. And in a state where your vote isn't likely to matter, it's also the most effective method.
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Did SJWs help create Trump?
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So voting is the only way to engage that matters? I would argue that protesting is a time honored method of engaging. And in a state where your vote isn't likely to matter, it's also the most effective method.
I am not saying that voting is the only way. It isn't even the most important way. Engaging is the most important way. Investing your own time and resources developing an informed opinion and then supporting the leadership that best represents that.
But people who don't bother to vote are unlikely to do anything more burdensome. Like choose to donate to the Libertarians over buying another bag of pot. Or learning how to vote in their state primary when facebooking about how wonderful Sanders is lots more immediate.
Tom
JakofHearts
2 Tim 1.7
It's only protesting if human rights had been violated. Protesting for not getting your way is called crying.
You do realize that the article you linked to pointed out that whether anyone voted in 2016 is completely unknown at this point, right?
I only addressed the point that some didn't vote in some elections.
We don't want to go overboard making unverifiable claims.
Underhill
Well-Known Member
Protesting is simply demonstrating you disagree. Just because you don't agree with them doesn't change that.
Underhill
Well-Known Member
And I am pointing out that the protest on that stage has had a vastly bigger impact than their vote ever would have.
Not entirely positive. It left me(a gay atheist straight Dem ticket) rolling my eyes at the whiny SJWs with bad manners who don't vote.
Tom
ETA ~People like them are why Trump and Pence won~
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
Are the SJW's going to be relieved or disappointed when, four years from now, they're not in concentration camps?
Underhill
Well-Known Member
How do you know that? That is an absurd statement.
As I pointed out, NYS went Clinton. There was never any doubt that it would. If they had all voted (and we still don't know if any of them did or didn't this election) it would not have made one ounce of difference in the election.
I can't understand why a person in your position would fail to understand taking a stand for what you believe in to authorities who threaten to undermine your rights. I certainly do. Bad manners is politicians spreading fear and hate from their pulpit. What the actors did was tasteful and done with quite dignity.
JakofHearts
2 Tim 1.7
Disagreeing on what though, democracy?
It's an illegitimate protest based on hating the outcome of an election. It's even more ridiculous when the ones that got arrested didn't even bother to vote.
If it displayed anything positive at all, it would be the fact that these people can go out onto the streets and vent their nonsense to assassinate Trump, rape Melania or other grotesque things without being put down by the police is a real testament to the freedoms they ignorantly enjoy, and the thankless few who uphold it.
Though he was quite well spoken and respectful to the vice president elect, and it may have been perceived by some as an assurance that the future US government are aware of their concerns - it was probably vastly seen by the majority of Americans as just another cringey misinformed liberal clueless about what the Trump/Pence administration want to achieve.
That said, the vice president was respectful and even said that he wasn't offended, and said "that is what freedom sounds like."
What protests and freedoms are you talking about?
That was a pretty good show, I watched that one, among the many before. Was better when he brought in the minorities perspective in that show.
We aren't mean to Muslims because they aren't an enemy. You want to say there is an enemy then it is extremists who are willing to take religion too far, which isn't just Muslims. I liked Sam Harris perspective, who is atheist, who actually didn't like Trumps, Clintons or Sanders perspective on Islam. He had a middle ground but was calling out Hillary on being too politically correct. I disagree that Hillary was being too politically correct when in reality Hillary was the middle ground between Trump and Sanders in relation to terrorism. Trump is painting an axis of evil much like Bush did back in the day and is nothing but hate mongering.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I probably won't vote in 2018 because it will be nothing more than a waste of time for me. Indiana has only went blue once during my life. If I'm still here in 2020, I may not vote then either, especially since where I used to vote just down the road isn't a precinct anymore, and now between the drive and waiting in line it took me about an hour to vote this time around. And for what? My one vote towards the public option that had no chance of failure with everything else not mattering or counting.
Get an absentee ballot (because you'll be out of town for the election).
Fill it out at your leisure in private.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Still won't matter. And as I mentioned in the Random Announcements, if I'm not here in 2020 I may be in Cali. I might vote then because my vote will get counted for a second time during my life, but I can't say it's in a good way knowing the Rep voters in Cali are basically in the same hard spot Dem voters in Indiana are in.
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But it's easier.
No crowds to mingle with.
Underhill
Well-Known Member
No, it's a protest based upon the perception (which I tend to agree with) that the system isn't working for the majority. Whether you agree or not, it is a reasonable thing to protest.
I have no idea what you are talking about. The vast majority of protesters are doing so peacefully and reasonably. Going back to the racial tensions of the 60's people have tried to discredit the legal protesters by pointing out the violent minority.
I agree.
It's wrongful demonization whether it's against Hillary or Trump supporters.
(Note that I'm OK with proper demonization.)