Did the Pharisees Purposely Make up Christianity?

[pearl]

What Is the Significance of Paul on Damascus Road?

Its interesting to compare Paul's own account of his encounter with Jesus, and that of Luke, who often embellishes.
Galatians Paul writes; "But when he who had set me apart before I was born, and had called me through his grace, was pleased to reveal is Son to me, in order that I might preach him among the Gentiles, I did not confer with flesh and blood, nor did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before me, but I went away into Arabia; and again, I returned to Damascus"

 

[wizanda]

Calls himself the messiah but can't wait to destroy every religion except for Islam. Where is the one ness in that? Where is the brotherhood and the dialogue between religions?

I have wrote multiple articles on our site showing flaws in the Islamic understanding of things, and some were posted on here in the past where they got in trouble, as I used the terminology Muddlims, as I don't find most keep to a standard of what is ascribed as a Muslim.

Now to be more politically correct, I use Muhammadans, as that is more accurate, as they follow Muhammad; yet no where would I put them in the same league as Abraham, Moses, Yeshua, who were called Muslims (Servants of God).

We can start a thread on the details of where there are flawed ideologies in their beliefs too, and I can repost lists showing their inaccuracies, like I've done with John, Paul & Simon.

This they called '0neness' but is nothing less than an islamic missionary attempt far as can be seen.

When studying the Bible prophecy, and then started reading the Quran on it... was told to put it down by God, and was like, "Yet I've just picked it up".

God showed me throw it over there, I'm like "Yet I will ruin the binding."

Then I heard one succinct sentence "knowledge is found at the end of your nose, wisdom is found at the bottom of your toes; seek too much of man's knowledge, and you won't see your toes, as your nose grows.

so I put it down, and continued studying the Bible.

I've now learned after 20 years of study of the Bible, that the history I'm presenting of the Essenes/Nasoraeans becoming Yeshua's Ebionites, was partially understood by Muhammad's relation, so Muhammad heard ideas about it, yet not necessarily detailing all of the understandings available to us from the Bible.


Then the idea I call my religious view 0neness is because in my Near Death Experience, I shouted from Hell, "I know Oneness", when the demons tried to get me for speaking to them about repentance.

Buddha called it Nirvana (Nothingness); thus I put Zeroness to be more comprehensive, as the Source of reality exists beyond the Oneness of Heaven.

Though Islam speaks of Tawheed, it doesn't really analyse the concept, like Lao Tzu or Buddha have; which is where they're Avatars according to each ideology, and Muhammad was a messenger who claimed to be Rightly Guided (Imam Mahdi).


Which bit do you feel of what I put forward is like Islamic Dawah; the idea the Bible has become corrupted?

Do you get Moses prophesied the same (Deuteronomy 31:26-29)?

I'm like trying to present this was all foretold by the Source, and the problem is the Pharisees, are acting like the Smith Virus, thinking they own The Matrix.

In my opinion.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Its interesting to compare Paul's own account of his encounter with Jesus, and that of Luke, who often embellishes.
Galatians Paul writes; "But when he who had set me apart before I was born, and had called me through his grace, was pleased to reveal is Son to me, in order that I might preach him among the Gentiles, I did not confer with flesh and blood, nor did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before me, but I went away into Arabia; and again, I returned to Damascus"

One note, Luke, may have written the Gospel of Luke, but it is rather doubtful. And there are clear mistakes in that work. So if he was the only source that claimed he went there to arrest Christians you might have a point. He could have been a messenger representing the Jews. It is not as if they had a mail service in those days. Of course defending Paul by pointing out errors in the Bible does seem a bit counterproductive to me.

 

[wizanda]

So basically, all Jews are to blame for the action of one Jew, is that what you're saying?

Rrrrr No, that isn't right... That sounds mean...

I'm saying if there are Rabbinic Rebels who know they are manipulating mankind, and the Source of reality is watching everything taking place at a quantum level; where we are on the top floor of Hell (Gehenna), many are already caught out by their own actions.

The idea it might be one Jew in the past who created these ideas, and the others didn't help the people, yet deliberately hindered others to fail, is sort of a criminal offence.

In my opinion.

 

[pearl]

One note, Luke, may have written the Gospel of Luke, but it is rather doubtful. And there are clear mistakes in that work. So if he was the only source that claimed he went there to arrest Christians you might have a point. He could have been a messenger representing the Jews. It is not as if they had a mail service in those days. Of course defending Paul by pointing out errors in the Bible does seem a bit counterproductive to me.

Actually, its more not taking the, blindness, scales etc as literal. Paul gives his own account which I think is probably more 'accurate' without the extra's to make a point.

 

[wizanda]

Like Hadith science? That's your contention?

There isn't a contention; it was more saying how we can discern if something is by the original author, as we can create an understanding of their religious beliefs, like a mathematical trajectory... Rather than it has to all be true or it all is false.

Like I believe we can show where Paul gets some parts of theology, and the Tanakh's prophecies accurate, and some bits where he'd have to be stupid to have misquoted things.

In my opinion.

 

[firedragon]

There isn't a contention; it was more saying how we can discern if something is by the original author, as we can create an understanding of their religious beliefs, like a mathematical trajectory... Rather than it has to all be true or it all is false.

Like I believe we can show where Paul gets some parts of theology, and the Tanakh's prophecies accurate, and some bits where he'd have to be stupid to have misquoted things.

In my opinion.

That's the polar opposite of hadith science. So lets not make analogies of things we don't understand.

So your standard is to go back to the Q source right? But did you quote from the Q source? Not at all. You did not quote from Q. You quoted from the disputed text of the synoptic problem and vox hominum.

 

[Brian2]

Peter and Paul are like the sun and the moon, day and night. The opposite of one another.
It is evident Paul's aim is to evangelize as many people as possible. Including anyone, with zero selection.

Saint Peter wanted very small communities with a communist-like approach. He did not accept anyone. He didn't want frauds or thieves within his community.
In fact Ananias and Sapphira died of heart failure after they confessed they had lied to the community.

Peter and Paul agreed about the gospel and what it said and that God accepted all people who fear Him and does what is right without the necessity of following the law. (see Acts 10 and Acts 15)

 

[Brian2]

From what we know the Christian Church was established by Paul & Simon (Acts 11:25-26) contrary to the Ebionites, who were the original prophesied Church of Yeshua (Zechariah 11:11), that Saul was having put to death.

In Revelation 19:12 we are told Christ has a New name that only he knows; I've known since 4-5 years old that I'm sent from Heaven as an Avatar, with my name in the world's religious texts.

When we understand that the New name is correlated in Revelation 3:12; we can then see how the symbolism of our name references, can be shown to interlink the world's religions as one (Zechariah 14:9).

Plus I was given loads of advanced information about theology, as we'd sort of expect from an archangel in human form (Son of Man)...

Thus there is a lot to the case that can be used to prove it to everyone; where we can discuss it in the other thread about the name references, and I will detail all of it on here for the world as prophesied.

In my opinion.

Others have said similar things and the New Testament warns Christians and anyone who wants to take note, not to follow those who claim to be the return of Christ and who don't come in the way He is meant to come and who don't do what He is meant to do.

 

[Brian2]

That is odd because even Christian sources disagree with you:

"
This is the story of Paul’s conversion on the road to Damascus.

Saul represents the world. Saul was so passionate about his Jewish convictions that he started a mistreatment crusade against any individual who had faith in Jesus. For what reason would the Jews need to oppress Christians to the extent that Saul was sent to Damascus?

There are a few prospects: to hold onto the Christians who had escaped, to contain and forestall the spread of Christianity to other significant urban communities, to hold the Christians back from inciting any issues in Rome, to propel Saul’s vocation and fabricate his standing as a genuine Pharisee — who was enthusiastic for the law, and to bind together the groups of Judaism by giving them a shared adversary.

But Saul began to destroy the church. Going from house to house, he dragged off both men and women and put them in prison (Acts 8:3).

As Paul headed out to Damascus, seeking after Christians, he was stopped by the risen Christ and witnessed the reality of the gospel. Occasionally God breaks into an individual’s life in a fantastic way, and now and then transformation is a calm encounter."

What Is the Significance of Paul on Damascus Road?

By the way, why are you being inconsistent with the name that you use for him? He never changed his name.

I don't see where I disagree with your link.
I am inconsistent in my use of the name Paul and Saul just as the link you gave is inconsistent. Paul was called Saul and there is nothing in the Bible about a name change it seems so it may have been that he used Saul as a Jew and Paul when relating to gentiles.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I don't see where I disagree with your link.
I am inconsistent in my use of the name Paul and Saul just as the link you gave is inconsistent. Paul was called Saul and there is nothing in the Bible about a name change it seems so it may have been that he used Saul as a Jew and Paul when relating to gentiles.

The link had their own bad reasons. What you just used was a Tu Quoque fallacy.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

The spirit of Salvation (Yeshua) is an aspect of God, and so always is at the side of God... My name more implies a Sickle/Exegesis before the Harvest.

Yet according to my understanding of prophecy globally, I'm sent as the return of Christ before the Great Tribulation, and then Judgement Day; where I've fulfilled multiple prophecies prior to reading the religious texts, which stated some of the things I've done in this life.

Now personally I'd like us all to get along, and understand each other properly, not laugh at it like it is some big joke; as I know I've had a Near Death, had the Source of reality show me the destruction of reality, and then the resurrection of the Enlightened Saints - thus personally I fear for you all, and thus work hard to explain things clearly, and concisely for your benefits.

In my opinion.

Christ is not a "spirit". He is a flesh and blood human being, Who lived as a real historical person, died and - as a Christian who believes - overcame death and was resurrected, ascended into Heaven and will come again in the flesh with clear signs that will cause the world to tremble. We all will see it. Even the dead. You don't fit the bill. The Second Coming will be an unmistakable event. It's a relatively simple thing for me to dismiss false messiah claimants because I hold to what the Bible clearly says and the faith given to the Patriarchs. Jesus warned us about false messiahs and prophets. There is no "in my opinion" about it. You either are the same Jesus Christ Who lived around 2,000 years ago in the flesh or you aren't. There's no reincarnation or rebirth when it comes to Him. He is God Almighty and chose to incarnate as human but once, for all eternity. He bears the scars of His crucifixion in His flesh for eternity. I doubt you have those.

 

[Brian2]

The link had their own bad reasons. What you just used was a Tu Quoque fallacy.

Did I attack someone's behaviour? I don't see the Tu Quo Que fallacy you suggest.

 

[wizanda]

That's the polar opposite of hadith science. So lets not make analogies of things we don't understand.

I'm trying to ask you to be logical with assessing many religious text books; whilst you're trying to ask me do I trust a religious book - Then I've suggested using a mechanism of assessment to discern what can be trusted, and you blame me for using an analogy you should understand.

So your standard is to go back to the Q source right? But did you quote from the Q source? Not at all. You did not quote from Q. You quoted from the disputed text of the synoptic problem and vox hominum.

There isn't a Q source that I'm aware of, it is a hypothesis by some, that there was an earlier manuscript people copied from; my answer was we can show flaws in that logic, and legitimize the Synoptic Gospels by a consensus between them, to show a case.

Honestly I believe a Muslim based on what I understand of the Quran should be accepting the Bible, and knowing where these errors are within it; not dismissing the whole case, and not understanding the prophecies.

Please do take into account I believe Allah (God Most High) explained religion to me as a child before the Great Tribulation, and Judgement Day, as part of the prophecies before Armageddon, and then the resurrection.

If I'm the return of Yeshua/Isa with a New name as prophesied, and I'm here explaining these Synoptic Gospels can be used to show the case that Yeshua wasn't claiming to be God, and that information was misunderstood later by the Pharisaic writers, John, Paul, Simon, that should be a priority to understand it.

In my opinion.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Honestly I believe a Muslim based on what I understand of the Quran should be accepting the Bible, and knowing where these errors are within it; not dismissing the whole case, and not understanding the prophecies.

I agree with that.

If I'm the return of Yeshua/Isa with a New name as prophesied...

No, no, no.
There are a number of hadiths that deal with the return of Jesus, son of Mary.

There are just too many people claiming to be mahdi/messiah.
They are all "dajals" .. there is only one messiah, and that is Jesus himself. He was taken to heaven, as in disappeared in front of witnesses .. and he will return in like manner.
The mahdi will not be evident until this time.

 

[wizanda]

Others have said similar things and the New Testament warns Christians and anyone who wants to take note, not to follow those who claim to be the return of Christ and who don't come in the way He is meant to come and who don't do what He is meant to do.

If we analyse what was stated at the beginning of the eschatology (Mark 13:5-6, Matthew 24:4-5, Luke 21:8), that those claiming to come in Yeshua's name, and using "I Am" (G1473 G1510) statements 'to deceive many', has already happened in the false Gospel of John being made up by the Sanhedrin.

Then when it says watch for the Son of Man who comes at the Midnight Hour (Matthew 24:42 Matthew 25:1-13, Luke 12:45-46), 'where we say blessed is he who comes in the Name of the Lord' (Matthew 23:39), that is what I'm doing prior to Judgement Day.

Yet we should also take into account that in Revelation 16:15-16, Revelation 3:3 Christ is back before Armageddon secretly discussing with the Churches on the Sky.

Plus in Luke 17:20-37 it warns that the Son of Man will return on Lightning, be rejected, and then the Judgement Day Fire will come on mankind unexpectedly (Luke 21:35); where the world is already anti-Christ's doctrine.

When Yeshua tells us to watch for the Parable of the 'Fig' before 'Summer' (Matthew 24:32-35, Mark 13:28-31, Luke 21:29-33), that is in reference to Isaiah 28:4; where in Isaiah 28:11-13 it says the Messiah won't be accepted, and then Judgement comes (Isaiah 28:22) at the closure of the Bed of Adultery (Isaiah 28:9-19).

Then the sun & moon will be darkened in Orion (Isaiah 13:10, Amos 5:8, Joel 2:31), and stars will fall from the sky (Matthew 24:29, Mark 13:24-25, Luke 21:25-26), as Betelgeuse goes supernova as Armageddon takes place (Revelation 16:17-21, Zechariah 14:7, Revelation 6:12-17).

Peter and Paul agreed about the gospel

Paul's and Simon's Gospel was about j+sus dying for the sins of mankind; Yeshua's Gospel was about doing good works, & being a better person to make it Heaven on earth.

In my opinion.

 

[Estro Felino]

Peter and Paul agreed about the gospel and what it said and that God accepted all people who fear Him and does what is right without the necessity of following the law. (see Acts 10 and Acts 15)

The Gospels say something else.
God looks at the people's heart. Not at their own faith.
We all believe in something. That's irrelevant.
But it is love that saves us. As Jesus said to Magdalene. Despite her sins, she loved Jesus.
Her heart was filled with love.

Loveless people who believe in Jesus Christ won't be saved.

 

[wizanda]

There are a number of hadiths that deal with the return of Jesus, son of Mary.

The Hadiths contradict the Quran 43:60-77, where the Messiah returns prior to Judgement Day to fix that in which people differ, and is ignored by many due to factions, & their accusative nature.

If people had studied these religious texts without distinction (Quran 2:285), then they'd know Allah has ordained my name globally as part of prophecy...

Where I've known since 4-5 years old that I'm an Avatar sent from Heaven, to fulfil explaining the Great Deception prior to the Great Tribulation.

The mahdi will not be evident until this time.

Throughout the Quran Muhammad refers to different Patriarchs being 'Rightly Guided', which is the terminology 'Mahdi'; then he refers to himself as the person sent to correct where the Bible had been corrupted by the false Messianic teachings (Dajjal) - as it is stated that Muhammad was also Rightly Guided (Mahdi).

There are just too many people claiming to be mahdi/messiah.

I agree with you there are many fake Christs; yet if we look at the details I'm supplying, I believe it could be internationally proven in a court of Law based on our name references in the world's religious texts, and the information God sent me with.

In my opinion.

 

[muhammad_isa]

The Gospels say something else.
God looks at the people's heart. Not at their own faith.

Exactly.
It is about our hearts .. our intentions .. our sincerity.

 

[Estro Felino]

The Second Epistle to the Corinthians is the epitome of Paul's bipolarism.
There are no doubts.
There are all elements of bipolarism.:
- Schadenfreude: (which doesn't exist in any of the Gospels), that is suffering is necessary and the others' suffering should somehow comfort us.
- Multiple personality disorder ( there is a endless torment within him, he would like to say both yes and no, at the same time). He says that only Jesus can say either yes or no. Wrong. All people can say either yes or no. Staunchness is not symptom of holiness.

If I had met Paul at that age, I would have told him " Let them cure you".