Did you ever had NDE? Do you know anyone with NDE?

[Ana.J]

A near-death experience (NDE) is a personal experience associated with death or impending death, encompassing multiple possible sensations including detachment from the body, feelings of levitation, total serenity, security, warmth, the experience of absolute dissolution, and the presence of a light.

I just wanted to hear if someone experienced this. People say it changes lives because you can see that you are not your body.

Thank you for your stories

 

[Milton Platt]

A near-death experience (NDE) is a personal experience associated with death or impending death, encompassing multiple possible sensations including detachment from the body, feelings of levitation, total serenity, security, warmth, the experience of absolute dissolution, and the presence of a light.

I just wanted to hear if someone experienced this. People say it changes lives because you can see that you are not your body.

Thank you for your stories

So why does the hallucinations from an oxygen starved brain provide any authoritative information? Sure, people have changed some of their habits and/or lifestyles after nearly dying.....I could see how being confronted with your own mortality could do that.

 

[Wirey]

A near-death experience (NDE) is a personal experience associated with death or impending death, encompassing multiple possible sensations including detachment from the body, feelings of levitation, total serenity, security, warmth, the experience of absolute dissolution, and the presence of a light.

I just wanted to hear if someone experienced this. People say it changes lives because you can see that you are not your body.

Thank you for your stories

Yes. Jim Lovell, the astronaut. He told a group of us that the near death "flying in the tunnel" thing happens to astronauts in training on that chair that spins them to see how they handle high Gees because of lack of blood to the brain.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

A near-death experience (NDE) is a personal experience associated with death or impending death, encompassing multiple possible sensations including detachment from the body, feelings of levitation, total serenity, security, warmth, the experience of absolute dissolution, and the presence of a light.

I just wanted to hear if someone experienced this. People say it changes lives because you can see that you are not your body.

Thank you for your stories

I've come near to death a few times, I suppose. In each of those cases, I was worried more about doing the things I needed to avoid dying (e.g. duck to avoid the flying car) than to notice serenity or warmth. Never noticed a white light or being outside my body.

... though I have a feeling my experiences aren't the sort of NDEs you're looking for, right?

 

[Ana.J]

So why does the hallucinations from an oxygen starved brain provide any authoritative information? Sure, people have changed some of their habits and/or lifestyles after nearly dying.....I could see how being confronted with your own mortality could do that.

How can you know those are just hallucinations? How our brain knows it is dying if it did not experience dying before?

 

[Ana.J]

I've come near to death a few times, I suppose. In each of those cases, I was worried more about doing the things I needed to avoid dying (e.g. duck to avoid the flying car) than to notice serenity or warmth. Never noticed a white light or being outside my body.

... though I have a feeling my experiences aren't the sort of NDEs you're looking for, right?

Yep, I was mostly referring to the light, angels, stepping out of the body etc....

 

[psychoslice]

We should remember that the so called near death experience is just that, near, it is not death, so many make a big deal out of what they experience in this so called state, no, no one has ever experience death and come back.

 

[Eliab ben Benjamin]

We should remember that the so called near death experience is just that, near, it is not death, so many make a big deal out of what they experience in this so called state, no, no one has ever experience death and come back.

Yes i have died had an nDE and returned...
Diagnosed and pronounced "Brain Dead" for 4 days, before the machines were turned off ..
I awoke sat up and spoke whilst being wheeled to the morgue .. I have my death certificate on my wall..
and ... Had my life insurance cancelled because my death was in the local newspaper,, and there i was
in the insurance office 6 months later trying to pay the overdue premium ... neither would they pay me out
because there i was asking for it .. scarred disfigured head and all ....

http://www.angelfire.com/hi2/reneinnz/nde.html

 

[psychoslice]

Yes i have died had an nDE and returned...
Diagnosed and pronounced "Brain Dead" for 4 days, before the machines were turned off ..
I awoke sat up and spoke whilst being wheeled to the morgue .. I have my death certificate on my wall..
and ... Had my life insurance cancelled because my death was in the local newspaper,, and there i was
in the insurance office 6 months later trying to pay the overdue premium ... neither would they pay me out
because there i was asking for it .. scarred disfigured head and all ....

http://www.angelfire.com/hi2/reneinnz/nde.html

Yes but you didn't die, if you did, you wouldn't be here and now telling me all about your experience, you were very close to what we call death, and that is all.

 

[YmirGF]

Though I have not had the standard model NDE, I have had many, many out of body experiences. People are quite welcome to describe these excursions in consciousness as hallucinatory events of an oxygen deprived brain, but, my brain was never oxygen deprived during such events.

 

[Geoff-Allen]

There's a great site called near death -

http://www.near-death.com/

VERY comprehensive!

Hope that satisfies your curiosity!

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Yep, I was mostly referring to the light, angels, stepping out of the body etc....

IOW, only the experiences where the person's brain is severely stressed?

 

[Ana.J]

IOW, only the experiences where the person's brain is severely stressed?

Well, I would call this a spiritual experience. The brain might be stressed, but I do not think it understands that it is dying and created hallucinations to ease the pain.....

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Well, I would call this a spiritual experience.

What makes it "spiritual"?

The brain might be stressed, but I do not think it understands that it is dying and created hallucinations to ease the pain.....

Okay - so you're coming at this from the perspective that NDEs are hallucinations?

 

[Ana.J]

What makes it "spiritual"?


Okay - so you're coming at this from the perspective that NDEs are hallucinations?

The fact that consciousness exists when the physical body is dead is spiritual because that is the spirit that is experiencing this.

I do not think that NDEs are hallucinations.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

The fact that consciousness exists when the physical body is dead is spiritual because that is the spirit that is experiencing this.

- dying, not dead. Edit: death is a process that happens over time, not an on/off change of state.
- why would you consider a dying, unconscious brain to be good at keeping track of time? Why are you convinced that the memories of an NDE are formed when there's no brain activity at all, instead of during the transition into or out of that state?

I do not think that NDEs are hallucinations.

Ah - so the hallucinations you mentioned are something other than NDEs? What are you referring to as hallucinations?

 

[PeteC-UK]

Hi Folks...

Ana; NDEs are a very real phenomena - a lot more common than people may suppose - and yes indeed the authentic NDE can and does change lives at the fundamental level - the similarities between cases are so similar that a definate "grade" of experience and RESULT can be predicted.... The site mentioned above - near death.com - USED to be a most excellant forum site - and I for one posted there for many many years..It was FULL OF EXPERIENCERS who all shared our spiritual experiences freely and learned a great deal from each other - through this shared and combining of intelligence this "scale" of predicted stage and outcome was established - four definate stages of "acceptance" were identified - but without going back and accessing my account there now I cant remember the specifics off hand... as I say - it USED to be a most active and informative forum - but alas - polotics destroyed it - "believers vs skeptics" kinda ruined the discourse there and now the site is dead - pity for as said it was cram full of first hand direct experiencers all speaking freely - when they were allowed to - but those none believers can be very - scathing - p%ss takers continually and this eventually made many posters abandon for more peaceful sites such as here - this phenomena is basically something that has to be directly experienced to be understood...

I should say here - that which we call a specific NDE - is merely a part of a much wider phenomena that includes many forms of DIRECT spiritual encounters, and it is always the RESULTS of these events that detemine their authenticity...In short - meet spirit in a DIRECT and LEGITIMATE manner and it WILL FOR SURE most definately change your life forever more.. The larger more encompassing phenomena became known as an STE - spiritually transformative event - and can include such things as out of body experiences - after death communication - Angelic intervention - ANYTHING that involves a DIRECT spiritual none pkhysical experience that then IMPACTS the mortal life in such a way as to make spirit become the main focus thereafter...If the spiritual encounter is legitimate then this change will inevitably occur in short order. and the stages and progression of the change - its acceptance BY the individual can likewise be mapped and "scaled" as said - predictable and very similar in result - means it must be a legitimate phenomena and not a "brain fart" or hallucination....

Have I personally had a n actual NDE - NO - dont think so - but fo rsure I had an STE - met Angels (a few times) full on out of body - no body form at all sometimes - just Conscious "energy"...My nephew though - Steve - had a LEGITIMATE NDE - I say it that way because well - it WAS legitimate nde inthat he ACTUALY died and was revived by paramedics at the scene...Thats a crucial difference -TRAINED MEDICAL EXPERTS pronounced him "dead" - yet he returned to "life".......Now - a great great GREAT many NDE accounts - turn out to be nothing like NEAR DEATH at all - turn out to be simple "loss of consciousness" or head trauma illusion....And worse - many MANY people simply "fabricate" an account or exagerate it lots, to be accepted by this "spiritual" community...lol....sad - but true - most of these types can be seen making a book or movie about their "experience" and using it for MATERIAL gains rather that spirtiual truth - which is completely against the core spiritual revelation of course - the real accoutns are EASY to see though for as said the legitimate phenomena is predictable and real - the change in the person is authentic...as they say born again - new spiritual Self...

My first adult spiritual experience - I MAY have "died" actually - there was a moment where I thought it must be so - severely stoned on a mix of drugs - three day none stop session - resulted in a full on OOBE where I met Angels and a "judgement" of Self - very life shattering - as it unfolded I had the definate thought I had died stroke or brain seizuer eor some such and was off now for this "judgement" that my Christian religious upbringing had conditioned me to expect and that would mean "hell" and damnation for my Soul ( I was SO naive, first experience) - it scared me to my very core let me tell you - slammed me violently back into my body waking world and left me such that I couldnt even think straight for weeks afterwards....Set me on a path to find legitmate truth of all this....Now there have been many such experiences - sort out - controlled somewhat - validated and corroborated by real world events that I my Self have no control over at all, proving to me time after time that these are real and valid phenomena...

And Im not alone in this - my Mother first had encounters with those she called Angels - full on spiritual encounters - and time and time again REAL WORLD FUTURE KNOWLEDGE revealed to her by them that proved to be legitimate and accurate beyond question - she literally dreamed the future - and growing up not a week went by without me seeing some direct proof and evidence of here gift....My nephew Steve also - HE is a bizarre case - I swear now by my honour and all that I hold as Holy and sacred - all this I say here are true real world events that ACTUALLY happened - events that are EXTERNAL to us and our control and events that we personally cannot influence at all... At age 17 he gets into a street fight and dies - paramedics revive him so yes Folks HE ACTUALLY DIED A CLINICAL DEATH - heart stopped - they shock him back to life - takes like 7 or 8 minutes - all confirmed by multiple witnsses -he DID die....

I my self was not there -had already left before the fight began...First I knew I saw him outisde the gate to my house - he was staying with me - he was obviously very excited, taling ot "someone" though no one there, waving his arms around in a pattern...VERY WEIRD as you can imagine...He comes in SAYS NOTHING about the fight, death ANY OF IT !!! I found out next morning from friends - of course Im concerned ,ask him but he refused to speak of it...Steve - you DIED ffs !!! but you dont even go in the ambulance to the hospital - WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU I shout !!!!

Can you even imagine it - how bizarre....But it gets stranger yet....he NEVER mentions it, refuses to speak of it EVER for years and years and years...Fast forward to age about 30 - he has a family now, new home and we are decorating it ready for them to move in.. Out of nowhere - he throws the brush down - "FK !!! that b*st*rd fking KILLED ME !!!" - like right out of nowhere he comes out with this outburst....Weird...Thinking about it, perhaps the smell of paint or some such triggered his memory - we never worked that bit out - but it opened a literal flood gate of experience for him also - direct encounters that were very VERY similar to my own.... At this point I had said NOTHING TO NO ONE about my own single (thus far) encounter with spirit - far too - shocked - embarrased - outright ashamed - and outright SCARED and outright confused... I never mentioned anything - how can you tell someone Angels are real, they came for me and I thought I faced hell and damnation, like REALLY faced it tangeable and solid and real !!! The mrs would have had me off to the shrink Im sure ..lol...my mates would ridicule me - no one could understand - so I of course stayed silent, tried to work it out alone I thought - except of course, we are NEVER alone - spirit is always there........

 

[PeteC-UK]

So Steve has that first recollection - and began to open up about the memories as they surfaced...I began to speak openly of my own experiences - and we spent like the next ten years together sharing and ACTIVELY pursuing these encounters,working it all out step by step...Well - to be truthful - it was me who did it step by step on purpose - for him - it was kind of thrust upon him - in definate cycles - Kundalini Im sure is another vital componant - I learned and intended the process took control of it somewhat - for him it was more spontaneous and uncontrolled....I felt a definate need to give him stability - assurety - for his own experience had indeed given ME stability and assurety - I mean it proved i wasnt mad pyschotic or drug addled..lol...proved it was happening to others as well - lots of others actually - even those without any drug history at all....See the AUTHENTIC experience really DOES literally "destoy" the person you thought you once were - and replace it with a completely NEW SELF PERSPECTIVE - this is - very VERY hard to live through if unprepared - and is one of those definate markers that determines the authenticity of the experienice itself...The change IS inevitable..

So, I KNEW for sure he was real - could fully emphasise and knew exactly how he was feeling...I simply HAD to work it out for HIS sajke primarily - at this point I was already beginnning ot accep tit as bona fide - but he struggled greatly at first and it was HIS testimony corroborating my own that gave me this confidence primarily.. We shared everything - every detail, nuance theory....Things happening HERE IN THE REAL WORLD that as said we directly could NOT influence - yet they were revealed to us time after time BEFORE they actually manifested - knowledge given DIRECTLY by those Others we call Angels,fullon OUT OF BODY encounters... Like SPECIFIC life events -specific word by word conversations -exact same circumstances and context revealed beforehand...Very bizarre things happening that I would hesitate to mention yet here but things i hold a sactual bona fide undeniabkle truth..

For like ten years we shared this unfolding journey or Self rememberance and progression - until eventually - 8 years ago now, the journey ends for him by his own choice and by his own hands.....Christmas eve - he is walking the 3 miles or so down to my house..A usual and planned occurrence, I was expecting him - we would smoke, drink coffee til late at night, discuss the world, discuss spirit, whatever was important....But he comes in this time, he is - well - he is like a little kid again - very excitd - anxious - babbling......On th eway down just now he says he met a PHYSICAL MAN - but he says this man is ALSO AN ANGEL he has met MANY TIMES in spirit....WOW he said - his actual words "its FINALLY HAPPENED" - what I ask..?....But he is so excited he says he must go home -promise sot fill m ein asap - but he MUST go now....WHY ?? I ask - this is obviously crucial to him - all he said was the man who was an Angel - had said her ein life that night the EXACT same thing that he had prevously said on spirit - Steve said he couldnt believe it had finally happened - like a pre arranged meeting HERE in the physical world also, and this repeated "phrase" was like a proof that it was legitimate - a final message that it was complete...

I never knew for many years just what the man Angel said - but - it caused Steve to immediately leave my house - walk back home 3 miles...By this time it was like 2am Christmas eve and it was snowing, icey freezing and he is walking...he goes home - every one in bed - writes 2 notes - 1 for them 1 for me - takes some rope he had bought especially it seems - then walked again like ten miles to a small wooded place where we used to play as kids....He found our old tree house - climbed up - hung himself on purpose with the rope - suicide... With hindsight I can say for sure he was expecting this to happen, planned for it - bought the rope specially - had covertly put all his affairs straight - silly things that didnt seem important to his family at the time but which I know for sure he was planning it for some weeks....

All based ENTIRELY on things revealed to him in spirit, by those we would call Angels... A "man" that he encountered many times as a spiritual entity - took a solid physical form here among us and delivered the exact same message - like a pre determined and direct sign - and Steve acted onthat event accordingly - ended his lilfe in full Self awareness witht expressed intention of progressing a pruely spiritula path - he was ready to leave these lower realms behind - is as clear as I can say it - and the Angel encounter her in life was his final needed proof - like permisssion almost - certainly a long awaited and happy event for him...

So - NDES - very VERY REAL phenomena - and the outcomes are very definate and legitimate to those who have them - as we see - it really DOES change the life forever......Although this is a personal story close to me - its not the most strange or bizarre NDE Ive encountered....On that site mentioned there were MANY direct experiencers who each had similar things to share...Check out especially a lady named ANITA MOORJANI - most remarkable - died of full body cancer - suffered for years - tumours spread everywhere - in hospital they turn off the machines to allow her to pass - and yet IN SPIRIT - she is revealed TRUTH of who and what She is - and with this new Self awareness she quite literally Folks HEALED HERSELF OF CANCER - not just healed - but as if she had NEVER EVEN HAD IT !!! She is a living modern miracle -and it was an NDE that gave her that Self awareness to be able to do that...

Or on that site above - find aposter named Dave T - uses the screen name Turtle - he had an NFE whre he ACTUALLY BECAME other LIVING things - such as a TREE for example - merged his Consciou sspirit WITH tthe tree - and a dog if I recall - plus witnessed a whole array of ACTUAL SCENES that he could not PHYSICALLY have seen at all from his comatose body - and yet EVERYTHING he says he saw has been verified as real and authentic - people outside down the street he sees describes their actions and speech - they later verify it as truth....So detailed that he - and many of the posters off that site - took part in actual scientific studies - thus the scale and veracity of experience was deduced - this has been looked into in great depth....Dave is rather unique though as he actually was tested and Channel 4 made a documantary he was in about his experiences....The FBI chief lie detector man tested his claims and he passed the test flying colours... To verify they had him sit a total of FIVE lie detector tests performed by various agencies - he passed every one - obviously to HIM his experience was the living truth...

Its a very VERY real phenomena - but you dont ACTUALLY have to "die" to access spirit directly - it is a perfectly natural event - we do it every time we rest deeply enough....Death - spirit - is the NATURAL and ORIGINAL condition - life - physical existance here - is only ever temporary...

 

[Eliab ben Benjamin]

astounding Pete, thank you for posting ....

and yes mine is on the site, lost now among the original ones .... under Jewish NDEs i believe ....

sad the site became less than usable ... though the printed version "Nothing better than Death" by
Kevin Williams still exists in my local library ...
I am chapter 3 ...
oh and life did change dramatically ....

 

[Jonathan Ainsley Bain]

A near-death experience (NDE) is a personal experience associated with death or impending death, encompassing multiple possible sensations including detachment from the body, feelings of levitation, total serenity, security, warmth, the experience of absolute dissolution, and the presence of a light.

I just wanted to hear if someone experienced this. People say it changes lives because you can see that you are not your body.

Thank you for your stories

I have had numerous such experiences.

At university a bunch of us took a strange African concoction that
left my body convulsing on my bed while my spirit wandered around town.

After that, I had no fear of death at all. A terribly painful experience at the time,
afterwards my spirit was completely liberated.