Did you read Quran neutrally?

[YmirGF]

Sure, because If you are not believer that means that you deny everything,You refuse the God and The God refuse you.

Curiously, I would think that a truly intelligent god would understand completely why I choose to reject Islam and would be quite sympathetic. Besides I find the concept of being rewarded for being myself to be quite revolting, but I understand why some folks would feel a need for such things.

 

[Metempsychosis]

Sure, because If you are not believer that means that you deny everything,You refuse the God and The God refuse you.

But this is not the case with other religions esp.Buddhism.

 

[Peace]

Well, speaking from right now of course. I'm not a Muslim, so according to almost all Muslim's I've met, I'm (apparently) not going to Heaven.
Who knows? Maybe, things change. Maybe I'll surprise everyone and become Muslim sometime; I haven't ruled out that possibility after all, I just don't find it very likely right now.

Nobody knows the hidden except God. If your intentions are good and you are really looking for the truth then God will certainly guide you to His truth and path.
Who knows may be one day I shall call you my brother

I'm not 'looking just for what awaits the disbelievers', otherwise I wouldn't believe I have read the Qur'an neutrally. The reason I've come to this conclusion is because it's the way it looks from the Qur'an.

I disagree with you, for the Quran is not what you think.

We were created to worship God - who created everything in the universe, and if we don't, ultimately we burn in hell for eternity with our skins being replaced continually so we can feel more pain.Right?

God is our Creator and thus He is our sustainer, provider, protecter, preserver, healer, supporter, companion.... so don't you think that the least duty towards the generous Allah is to worship Him and adore Him. Shouldn't we be thankful beings? If the animals, mountains, trees and the creation praise Him and worship Him; aren't we expected, we Humans beings who is elevated to all other creation, to do the same and worship our God. Since God is our creator, He is the only One who knows what's best for us and what could benefit us or harm us, so shouldn't we follow His instructions and obey Him for our own well being?

This quote sums up my thought on this quite well.

"If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed." - Albert Einstein
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I want to be good not because I want to be rewarded, but because I want to be a good person, with good intentions, who wants to improve the world as much as I can, and have life as pleasant for everyone as possible.

I want to be good because I love to be good but also because I would like to be rewarded. The intention plays a great role in Islam. If the intention is done for the sake of Allah then you will be rewarded because you do it because you love God and because being good is one of His teaching. Who created me and taught me to be good? of course Allah who taught me all goodness and what does it mean to be good. So I do good because Allah taught me that and thus I do it purely for His sake because I love my God who if full of mercy and love.

 

[England my lionheart]

ya odion , big breast virgins awaiting you there , WHY YOU ARE NOT BELIEVING

But only if you can find a corner in the Pearl remember

 

[MissAlice]

Reading the Quran neutrally.

Well it's been a while but I will say yes I tried....really I tried but I guess you have to be a man who believes in a wrathful god to enjoy it....:sorry1:

 

[Metempsychosis]

Who knows may be one day I shall call you my brother

Are not all humans ur brothers and sisters?

 

[OmarKhayyam]

"God is our Creator and thus He is our sustainer, provider, protecter, preserver, healer, supporter, companion.... so don't you think that the least duty towards the generous Allah is to worship Him and adore Him. Shouldn't we be thankful beings? If the animals, mountains, trees and the creation praise Him and worship Him; aren't we expected, we Humans beings who is elevated to all other creation, to do the same and worship our God. Since God is our creator, He is the only One who knows what's best for us and what could benefit us or harm us, so shouldn't we follow His instructions and obey Him for our own well being? "


And your evidence for all this is . . .?

 

[Kerr]

God is our Creator and thus He is our sustainer, provider, protecter, preserver, healer, supporter, companion.... so don't you think that the least duty towards the generous Allah is to worship Him and adore Him. Shouldn't we be thankful beings? If the animals, mountains, trees and the creation praise Him and worship Him; aren't we expected, we Humans beings who is elevated to all other creation, to do the same and worship our God. Since God is our creator, He is the only One who knows what's best for us and what could benefit us or harm us, so shouldn't we follow His instructions and obey Him for our own well being?

Assuming Allah exist now... It is not a duty more then it is a duty to obey and respect ones parents. Which depends entierly on the character on ones parents and the given context.

 

[McBell]

God is our Creator and thus He is our sustainer, provider, protecter, preserver, healer, supporter, companion.... so don't you think that the least duty towards the generous Allah is to worship Him and adore Him. Shouldn't we be thankful beings? If the animals, mountains, trees and the creation praise Him and worship Him; aren't we expected, we Humans beings who is elevated to all other creation, to do the same and worship our God. Since God is our creator, He is the only One who knows what's best for us and what could benefit us or harm us, so shouldn't we follow His instructions and obey Him for our own well being?

That is a pretty little speech, but it has nothing to back it up but faith that it is true.

I want to be good because I love to be good but also because I would like to be rewarded. The intention plays a great role in Islam. If the intention is done for the sake of Allah then you will be rewarded because you do it because you love God and because being good is one of His teaching. Who created me and taught me to be good? of course Allah who taught me all goodness and what does it mean to be good. So I do good because Allah taught me that and thus I do it purely for His sake because I love my God who if full of mercy and love.

so in a nutshell, you are good because you hope for reward and not because you fear punishment?

 

[nameless]

Did you see your name mentioned somewhere Odion, for your speak with absoluteness.
If you see yourself not going to Paradise because you are the one who has chosen not to go.

islam is about believeing in the unseen and in the seen, so there is no option other than to follow islam blindly, if one is not capable for blind belief he is so unfortunate and god will take him to hell for the torture. Knowing all these we should become as blind as possible to avoid suffering. They have no proof for hell, paradise, satan, god, reward, punishment etc .... but still we have to believe in that.

 

[Riverwolf]

I read the Qur'an on and off; it's just not an engaging book in English, and I don't have any intentions to learn Arabic any time soon.

When I do read it, I try to read it neutrally, but I also want to read the Surahs in the order they were revealed, rather than from longest to shortest; it seems to make more sense that way.

I also don't want to worship for the sake of reward AT ALL. I say now that if I do worship ANY God for the sake, on any level, of personal gain and pleasures, deny me that reward.

EDIT: Besides, I'm not really interested in Orthodox Islam; I'm more interested in what Sufism has to say.

 

[nameless]

In this case and based on your own logic there is no need for prisons and courts because there is no need to punish the criminals and all those who do injustice to humanity. :cover:

and for non-believers

if hell is created for punishing criminals, then why islamic laws wants the criminals to be punished in here too?

 

[moegypt]

But how about you ?

I was born as a muslim

 

[moegypt]

Reading the Quran neutrally.

Well it's been a while but I will say yes I tried....really I tried but I guess you have to be a man who believes in a wrathful god to enjoy it....:sorry1:

I think it you said it reversed!.. man must be wrathful to hate it.

 

[YmirGF]

I think it you said it reversed!.. man must be wrathful to hate it.

Hardly, Moe. I, for one, just don't find it to be a very impressive book. It's actually fairly boring.

 

[Metempsychosis]

Besides, I'm not really interested in Orthodox Islam; I'm more interested in what Sufism has to say.

Me too.

 

[nameless]

God is our Creator and thus He is our sustainer, provider, protecter, preserver, healer, supporter, companion.... so don't you think that the least duty towards the generous Allah is to worship Him and adore Him.

may be in the paradise, not in this world of suffering. We wont find any such thing protecting and providing us.

Shouldn't we be thankful beings? If the animals, mountains, trees and the creation praise Him and worship Him

wow, another miralce.

If the animals, mountains, trees and the creation praise Him and worship Him; aren't we expected, we Humans beings who is elevated to all other creation, to do the same and worship our God.

why we should worship one who does partiality, why we are elevated while others are not?

He is the only One who knows what's best for us and what could benefit us or harm us, so shouldn't we follow His instructions and obey Him for our own well being?

and this is blind belief.

 

[nameless]

"God is our Creator and thus He is our sustainer, provider, protecter, preserver, healer, supporter, companion.... so don't you think that the least duty towards the generous Allah is to worship Him and adore Him. Shouldn't we be thankful beings? If the animals, mountains, trees and the creation praise Him and worship Him; aren't we expected, we Humans beings who is elevated to all other creation, to do the same and worship our God. Since God is our creator, He is the only One who knows what's best for us and what could benefit us or harm us, so shouldn't we follow His instructions and obey Him for our own well being? "


And your evidence for all this is . . .?

a book which itself claims to be the word of god.

 

[Metempsychosis]

I get one more question to muslims here

After having read Quran ,do you ever try to read scriptures of other religions esp. of the East?

Can you after reading Quran ,read other scriptures like Bible,Torah,Talmud,Upanishads,Bhagavat Gita ,GGS(Guru granth sahib),Dhammapada,Kitáb-i-Aqdas etc neutrally without being affected by your established views?All the above are said to be God Books.

This question is not meant hijack the thread.

 

[nameless]

I want to be good because I love to be good but also because I would like to be rewarded.

it is said that in paradise allah rewards men with virgins and wine to enjoy. I wonder how females would get rewarded in paradise.