Did you read Quran neutrally?

[LuisDantas]

morphesium said: ↑
If unbelievers make a book, it would make sense. It will never be like Qoran.
Unbelievers can make a book on relativity and quantum electrodynamics, genitics and evolution. Can the believers make this? at least a part of it?

Was not Newton a scientist and believer? In science both Atheists and Believers have contributed. So, friend morphesium was wrong to generalize it for Atheism people.
Regards

I don't think you understood Morphesium's point.

 

[morphesium]

morphesium said: ↑
If unbelievers make a book, it would make sense. It will never be like Qoran.
Unbelievers can make a book on relativity and quantum electrodynamics, genitics and evolution. Can the believers make this? at least a part of it?

Was not Newton a scientist and believer? In science both Atheists and Believers have contributed. So, friend morphesium was wrong to generalize it for Atheism people.
Regards

There were many questions that was perplexing Newtons mind that made him a believer -the diversity of life on earth was one of them, complexity of life was another; similarly the formation of stars etc, etc.; - but then he was the one who proposed law of gravitation which was against geocentric theory. If newton was deeply religious - his religious believes would have crippled him from formulating the theory of gravitation. He would simply say - yes! Earth is at the center of the universe and thats the power of God. One should not question that -ever.

Most of the questions that Newton once asked (that made him a believer of God) has since been answered by science. So, if Newton had modern knowledge in science (concerning evolution, genetics, astronomy- he surely would have far less reasons to believe in God.

 

[morphesium]

I don't think you understood Morphesium's point.

Thanks.

 

[paarsurrey]

There were many questions that was perplexing Newtons mind that made him a believer -the diversity of life on earth was one of them, complexity of life was another; similarly the formation of stars etc, etc.; - but then he was the one who proposed law of gravitation which was against geocentric theory. If newton was deeply religious - his religious believes would have crippled him from formulating the theory of gravitation. He would simply say - yes! Earth is at the center of the universe and thats the power of God. One should not question that -ever.
Most of the questions that Newton once asked (that made him a believer of God) has since been answered by science. So, if Newton had modern knowledge in science (concerning evolution, genetics, astronomy- he surely would have far less reasons to believe in God.

Just your guess.
Religion does not stop from enquiry, reason and wisdom.
Regards

 

[gnostic]

If unbelievers make a book, it would make sense. It will never be like Qoran.

Unbelievers can make a book on relativity and quantum electrodynamics, genitics and evolution. Can the believers make this? at least a part of it?

Will these be the books of Atheism or books of science? You are simply wrong. Right?Please

Science is not atheism. Why do you think he or she is wrong?

Was not Newton a scientist and believer? In science both Atheists and Believers have contributed. So, friend morphesium was wrong to generalize it for Atheism people.
Regards

When morphesium wrote "unbelievers" can write book on evolution, genetics, relativity, etc, morphesium was referring to non-Muslims being all those who don't believe in the Qur'an.

So morphesium was equating "unbelievers" to all non-Muslims, which would include Buddhists, Hindus, Jews, Christians, deists, agnostics, wiccans, Druids, etc, etc, etc....not just "atheists".

And Einstein who wrote the theory on relativity, and Darwin who wrote theory on natural selection evolution, they were never atheists.

If anyone is "generalising" it is you, paarsurrey. I think you have misunderstood morphesium's post on "unbelievers".

People who don't believe in the Qur'an, don't necessarily have to be "atheists". Do you understand what morphesium means, now?

 

[icehorse]

Just your guess.
Religion does not stop from enquiry, reason and wisdom.
Regards

I think that often religion severely limits inquiry, reason, and wisdom. It's true of Christian fundamentalists who think that the Bible's take on geology, astronomy, evolution, biology and so on is better than what hundreds of thousands of scientists have discovered. Similarly in the Islamic world, for many people inquiry and reason are strictly bounded by what can be explained in the Quran.

 

[icehorse]

Back to OP:

I usually have a few projects going at once, and for the last decade or so one of my projects has been professional book editor. I read the Quran as I would read any other book.... it could use a good editor.

 

[paarsurrey]

I don't think you understood Morphesium's point.

My apologies if understood incorrectly. Sorry
Regards

 

[SpeaksForTheTrees]

There were many questions that was perplexing Newtons mind that made him a believer -the diversity of life on earth was one of them, complexity of life was another; similarly the formation of stars etc, etc.; - but then he was the one who proposed law of gravitation which was against geocentric theory. If newton was deeply religious - his religious believes would have crippled him from formulating the theory of gravitation. He would simply say - yes! Earth is at the center of the universe and thats the power of God. One should not question that -ever.

Most of the questions that Newton once asked (that made him a believer of God) has since been answered by science. So, if Newton had modern knowledge in science (concerning evolution, genetics, astronomy- he surely would have far less reasons to believe in God.

Science engineers a solution to a problem .

 

[Straw Dog]

So, did you read Quran as a book neutrally?

No, it is impossible to read any book neutrally. Not only does the book itself attempt to direct thought but many of our minds are most likely conditioned by cultural preconceptions and behavioral patterns. These automatic interpretations are predominantly subconscious and often evade the scope of conscious awareness.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I read parts of the Qur'an. It was interesting and I learned things, but that's about it.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Do you read the Koran?
They say it's a beautiful in its meanings and stories ??
What is beauty and eloquence and spiritual meaning
Quranic verse that curse the father of flame ??
The uncle of the Prophet Muhammad ??Yes curse revealed to the uncle of Mohammed in the Koran and his wife's poor ??
Is it the beautiful words of God ??
Here the words of verse
تبت يدا ابا لهب امرائته حمالة حطب ؟؟؟
What is beauty and meaning in this verse ???

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

I read parts of the Qur'an. It was interesting and I learned things, but that's about it.

Do you know the meaning of the nymphs in paradise ??
Do you believe having sex in paradise is also ??
And each man nymphs are nice

 

[Fateme]

I did read a part of this book and i am reading qoran.i bliveing evry one of words in this book.

 

[paarsurrey]

I read parts of the Qur'an. It was interesting and I learned things, but that's about it.

Also @ friend q konn
Quran is primarily a verbal Message/Recitation from G-d in Arabic, as a secondary measure it was also committed to writing and is available in a book form, in both forms it has reached us in its pristine form one supporting the other without any change.

1. Quran is authored by G-d, not by the prophet Muhammad, hence it has the same systems of its arrangement as the Universe has been arranged. If one understands the arrangements of Sun, Moon, Stars, Earth, Galaxies, Mountains ,rivers, deserts, valleys, forests, plains; then one can understand the arrangement of Quran; as all of them have been created by Him. If one does not understand the arrangement of the Universe and its units; then one is excused if he does not understand the arrangement of Quran. Universe is created by G-d and the Message/Recitation/Quran is authored by Him.
2. The first Chapter of the Quran, which consists of the seven verses; it is the summary or essence of the Quran. The rest of the Quran explains it in detail. One could see this system easily in Quran.
3. The verses of Quran mostly have endings in some attributes of G-d; this informs us how different attributes do work in different circumstances.
4. Quran has been translated in many languages. One could see the original text in Arabic and its translation in Urdu and English by accessing the link http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/index.php, for some other languages please click http://www.alislam.org/ and see under the heading in the page Holy Quran > Search Quran Translation.and or >Browse Quran Translations> and or more about the Holy Quran.​

Regards

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Also @ friend q konn
Quran is primarily a verbal Message/Recitation from G-d in Arabic, as a secondary measure it was also committed to writing and is available in a book form, in both forms it has reached us in its pristine form one supporting the other without any change.

1. Quran is authored by G-d, not by the prophet Muhammad, hence it has the same systems of its arrangement as the Universe has been arranged. If one understands the arrangements of Sun, Moon, Stars, Earth, Galaxies, Mountains ,rivers, deserts, valleys, forests, plains; then one can understand the arrangement of Quran; as all of them have been created by Him. If one does not understand the arrangement of the Universe and its units; then one is excused if he does not understand the arrangement of Quran. Universe is created by G-d and the Message/Recitation/Quran is authored by Him.
2. The first Chapter of the Quran, which consists of the seven verses; it is the summary or essence of the Quran. The rest of the Quran explains it in detail. One could see this system easily in Quran.
3. The verses of Quran mostly have endings in some attributes of G-d; this informs us how different attributes do work in different circumstances.
4. Quran has been translated in many languages. One could see the original text in Arabic and its translation in Urdu and English by accessing the link http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/index.php, for some other languages please click http://www.alislam.org/ and see under the heading in the page Holy Quran > Search Quran Translation.and or >Browse Quran Translations> and or more about the Holy Quran.​

Regards

I know what Muslims believe about the Qur'an. I just don't share their views on it. I'm not a Muslim.

 

[Muffled]

Isn't the point of a scripture that people do not feel neutral towards it?

I don't believe it is the point but I doubt that anyone is completely neutral when reading anything. We all have a way that we relate to things that is bound to affect our understanding of what we read.

 

[Muffled]

I mean it is impossible to write a book as Qur'an.

I believe Scientology works completely on fiction so it appears to be possible.

 

[Muffled]

I wonder if having learned any Arabic would lead me to think differently, but if the translations are any indication at all, that sounds unlikely. The Qur'an just isn't that impressive a book.

I believe it made a difference to me. I learned that Arabic does not have to use an article like "the" or "a" and does not have to include a verb to equate two nouns. For instance book red would be translated the book is red. So when the Qu'ranic text said God His Son it became easy for me to see that it should be translated God is His Son instead of what translators have given us.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Just your guess.
Religion does not stop from enquiry, reason and wisdom.
Regards

Islam does not believe in reason and wisdom
The Muslim does not believe in the mind also
Obvious example is
When Muhammad married the wife of his adopted son
Old and was more than fifty years
Reason and wisdom rejects this kind of marriage
But the Muslim mind provides evidence contrary to reason and wisdom
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