Diocese says it must end all state-funded adoption, foster services

[Draka]

ok...fine. let the adoptions cease and while we're at it lets just make sure they get the worse education and health care and make sure their lives are really worth living
good job...:areyoucra

I don't get this. Adoptions will still happen. They just won't go through the Catholic Church in that area. It's their right to stop providing the service as they were never required to do so in the first place. Their reasons for stopping may be sad, but it is their right. I don't see what it has to do with education and health care at all though.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I'm not saying anyone should be forced to do anything. I'm just saying that if it was really important to them to really help then they would, regardless of unmarried couples and same sex couples. I just personally think it says something. That the stance against same sex couples and unmarried couples is more important than saving children. If that's the stance that church/charity is taking, then so be it. I just happen to think it is a sad one. Thankfully the government is not so discriminatory and can continue to help children and place them with good families regardless of the marital and sexual orientation status of the parents.

Actually, they are just as discriminatory as the church. Adoption law, unless I am mistaken, is state by state and I promise you that some states are more discriminatory than others. It's very tough or impossible for same sex couples to adopt - much less marry.

 

[waitasec]

I don't get this. Adoptions will still happen. They just won't go through the Catholic Church in that area. It's their right to stop providing the service as they were never required to do so in the first place. Their reasons for stopping may be sad, but it is their right. I don't see what it has to do with education and health care at all though.

you know you are right...
i get it. i'm just a little bit rattled by some posters...

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Well, there is another piece to the puzzle that might not be stated in the article. Several times, exemptions for faith-based oprganization, which are usually granted in such matter, were repeatdly denied by the Democrat led legislature in in this issue. If they had just granted the exemptions that are usually granted in these and similar situations, we'd still be in business. But the liberal zealots in the State House had to go for broke and place us between a rock and a hard place. So, you can thank the Leftys and their intransigence for what happened.

Thanks, lefties.

But blaming someone else for the choice of Roman Catholic leadership is irresponsible and juvenile.

 

[CatholicCrusader]

......But do we really want Roman Catholic ministries in charge of adoptions, particularly considering (1) religion in general and (2) the pervasion of the child sex scandals......

Oh pulleeezzzz, not that canard. Its ironic that thosee "scandals" are actually homosexual in nature. I know you guys won't believe me, but I have all the stats and info on this, and the vast vast majority of the reported cases took place between priests and teenage boys. Guess what? That ain't pedophelia, that's homosexuality.

So again, homosexuality casts its dark cloud over good things and screw them up.

As for religion, our entire Western Civilization was built by men of faith, be they Jewish, Christian, or Theists in general. All of a sudden that ain't good enough? Wow.

 

[CatholicCrusader]

I don't get this. Adoptions will still happen. They just won't go through the Catholic Church in that area. It's their right to stop providing the service as they were never required to do so in the first place.....<snip>

Well, Hallelujia! That is what I have been trying to say all along.

Hell, it was probably a backhanded way for the State to force us out of the biz in the first place. Can't have those evil traditional values foisted on kids after all, now can we.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Civilization was built by men of faith, be they Jewish, Christian, or Theists in general. All of a sudden that ain't good enough? Wow.

... and it was rebuilt by secularist post-modernists...

 

[Draka]

Well, there is another piece to the puzzle that might not be stated in the article. Several times, exemptions for faith-based oprganization, which are usually granted in such matter, were repeatdly denied by the Democrat led legislature in in this issue. If they had just granted the exemptions that are usually granted in these and similar situations, we'd still be in business. But the liberal zealots in the State House had to go for broke and place us between a rock and a hard place. So, you can thank the Leftys and their intransigence for what happened.

Blame game huh? Did you ever think that one of the reasons why some don't want same sex couples and unmarried couples turned away is because they NEED them? Viable families willing to take in foster children and adopt older abused children aren't everywhere and in great numbers. So every capable and viable family option should be considered. Otherwise there are more children stuck in group homes and bounced around in not-so-desirable situations. Mandating that all types of families be considered in the process ensures more valid places for these children to go.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Well, Hallelujia! That is what I have been trying to say all along.

Hell, it was probably a backhanded way for the State to force us out of the biz in the first place. Can't have those evil traditional values foisted on kids after all, now can we.

More practice would do some good here.

 

[CatholicCrusader]

Blame game huh?........

Well, that does seem to be the soup du jour here. Not to mention the fact its the truth. We offered the servfice out of charity. They forced us out.

Like I said, it was probably a backhanded way for the State to force us out of the biz in the first place

 

[CatholicCrusader]

... and it was rebuilt by secularist post-modernists...

Not yet my man. Ain't seen a secularist in the White House lately either.

 

[Draka]

Well, Hallelujia! That is what I have been trying to say all along.

Hell, it was probably a backhanded way for the State to force us out of the biz in the first place. Can't have those evil traditional values foisted on kids after all, now can we.

Nice that you snipped out the rest of what I said.

I never said that it isn't the right of the Church to stop providing the service, I just think that the reasons are exceptionally bad and that the "calling" claimed in the article couldn't really be that much of a "calling" if it could be dropped like that. I guess, for those who worked there who really believed it their "calling" to help the children, maybe they will work towards being a state employed social worker so that they can continue to do so.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Not yet my man. Ain't seen a secularist in the White House lately either.

:biglaugh:

 

[Draka]

Actually, they are just as discriminatory as the church. Adoption law, unless I am mistaken, is state by state and I promise you that some states are more discriminatory than others. It's very tough or impossible for same sex couples to adopt - much less marry.

I guess I'm just looking through the eyes of a state that has same sex marriage and adoption. Sometimes it's good to be Iowan.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Well, that does seem to be the soup du jour here. Not to mention the fact its the truth. We offered the servfice out of charity. They forced us out.

Like I said, it was probably a backhanded way for the State to force us out of the biz in the first place

Now think carefully here. Who was it that ANNOUNCED that they were NO LONGER GOING TO CONTINUE?

The church wasn't forced out - it found an excuse to leave a ministry that obviously it wasn't interested in anymore.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I guess I'm just looking through the eyes of a state that has same sex marriage and adoption. Sometimes it's good to be Iowan.

Haha. I'm in Texas, which just may be the most homophobic state in the union.

 

[Tarheeler]

Nice that you snipped out the rest of what I said.

I never said that it isn't the right of the Church to stop providing the service, I just think that the reasons are exceptionally bad and that the "calling" claimed in the article couldn't really be that much of a "calling" if it could be dropped like that. I guess, for those who worked there who really believed it their "calling" to help the children, maybe they will work towards being a state employed social worker so that they can continue to do so.

I think the part that you're missing is that the Catholic Church believes that putting children into those homes would not be helping the kids, it would be hurting them.

For them, it would be the same as putting the kids into a home with a drug-user or a pedophile. They see non-traditional families in that light.

While I don't agree with them, I can understand their decision to stick to their beliefs.

And I think the Illinois Diocese is making the right decision; they shouldn't be using state funds to do this in the first place, but even more so if they cannot abide by the law.

 

[CatholicCrusader]

Here's one for you guys:

After the Government, the largest healthcare provider in America is the Catholic Church, or its affilitaed heathcare providers. Little known factoid there.

The day will come when they pull this same crap on them, and the issue will be abortion. Wait until those hospitals shut down, or when the battle royale takes place over their control.

Oh, but again, it will all be those Catholics' fault! Darn them for wanting to save the lives of innocent children. No no, it is much more "progressive" to suck a baby through a tube, mangle it, and throw it in a dumpster. That, of course, is every womans' right!

Gay marriage, killing babies... ...what a great world we have created. Just shove God in the garbage along with the leftover baby parts

Ahhh, what a web of evil we weave when we lose all sight of right and wrong.

 

[Draka]

Haha. I'm in Texas, which just may be the most homophobic state in the union.

Have some hope. Did you see that "What Would You Do?" they did in Texas? They had a waitress harass a same sex couple with children and several people stood up for them.
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[angellous_evangellous]

Here's one for you guys:

After the Government, the largest healthcare provider in America is the Catholic Church, or its affilitaed heathcare providers. Little known factoid there.

The day will come when they pull this same crap on them, and the issue will be abortion. Wait until those hospitals shut down, or when the battle royale takes place over their control.

Oh, but again, it will all be those Catholics' fault! Darn them for wanting to save the lives of innocent children. No no, it is much more "progressive" to suck a baby through a tube, mangle it, and throw it in a dumpster. That, of course, is every womans' right!

Gay marriage, killing babies... ...what a great world we have created. Just shove God in the garbage along with the leftover baby parts

Ahhh, what a web of evil we weave when we lose all sight of right and wrong.

This is nuttier than rat crap in a pistachio factory.