Discrimination in the Catholic Church

[E. Nato Difficile]

In this discussion, JacobEzra recommended I start a new thread to discuss whether exclusion from Catholic rites constitutes discrimination:

Well, marriage is a sacrament in the catholic church. Homosexuals can not get married in the church.

Only thing homosexuals are missing out on are the covenant of marriage.

Um, right. Because the Church excludes them from the covenant. That's discrimination.

And women can't be ordained priests, last time I checked. Discrimination? Yep.

-Nato

LOL there is no discrimination, espcially with women being ordained as priests. But that is off topic, I would love to discuss that though and show you why they can not. Create another topic

If we consider it discrimination to withhold privileges from people on an arbitrary basis like gender, wouldn't the Catholic Church's position on gay marriage and female priests constitute discrimination?

-Nato

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Religion recieves special consideration in a number of ways. People are touchy about their superstitions.

 

[JacobEzra.]

Neither homosexual marriage or women priest are comparable with the religion. Women have high roles and responsibilities in the church. Priest is just one of the responsibilities they can not take on. No women could stand In Persona Christi.

Just like a Man can not give birth, a women can not take on the role of in persona Christi.

 

[Falcon]

Amen to that.

 

[E. Nato Difficile]

Just like a Man can not give birth, a women can not take on the role of in persona Christi.

It's not like the reason men can't give birth is because there are rules against it. The Catholic Church made rules to prevent women from attaining roles of authority in the Church hierarchy, and you're arguing that the reason for the rule is some mystical Christhood that women ain't got.

It's discrimination. Just call it what it is.

-Nato

 

[McBell]

Just like a Man can not give birth, a women can not take on the role of in persona Christi.

:biglaugh:

And to think he said it with a perfectly straight face!!

 

[JacobEzra.]

It's not like the reason men can't give birth is because there are rules against it. The Catholic Church made rules to prevent women from attaining roles of authority in the Church hierarchy, and you're arguing that the reason for the rule is some mystical Christhood that women ain't got.

It's discrimination. Just call it what it is.

-Nato

Women are not prevented from having any authority. Who runs the convents and organizations? Plenty of women.

The Priest does not even hold much authority. If any really. He is only there to conduct mass and administer the sacraments, which involves to be In Persona Christi. No women can do that. Though Women are well known to be alter servers and Eucharistic ministers.

Everyone has a role to play. Your argument shows a lack of basic understanding of the church.

 

[JacobEzra.]

:biglaugh:

And to think he said it with a perfectly straight face!!

I did say it with a straight face. I am a Catholic, and that is a big thing in the Catholic Church. It is what gives the ordained Priest the ability to administer the sacraments.

 

[E. Nato Difficile]

Women are not prevented from having any authority. Who runs the convents and organizations? Plenty of women.

So what? Nuns aren't part of the clergy, the Church hierarchy. That's why we're talking about ordination here.

The Priest does not even hold much authority. If any really. He is only there to conduct mass and administer the sacraments, which involves to be In Persona Christi. No women can do that. Though Women are well known to be alter servers and Eucharistic ministers.

Everyone has a role to play. Your argument shows a lack of basic understanding of the church.

Well, I know at least that if women can't be ordained, then they're not part of the clergy. They're not part of the Church hierarchy.

-Nato

 

[Father Heathen]

In this discussion, JacobEzra recommended I start a new thread to discuss whether exclusion from Catholic rites constitutes discrimination:





If we consider it discrimination to withhold privileges from people on an arbitrary basis like gender, wouldn't the Catholic Church's position on gay marriage and female priests constitute discrimination?

-Nato

Yes, it's discrimination, but it's within the church's right to be. Those displeased with its policies are best off leaving the church altogether. Can't polish a turd, as they say.

 

[Revoltingest]

Come on people. This should be more than just mocking JEsra's beliefs. Yeah, they're loopy, but that's true of all religions. There is no point arguing
against beliefs which are fundamental articles of faith. Women are treated different from men. That even happens in secular society too.

Anyway, I'd like to point out that the Catholic Church is friendly to atheists. Catholic Social Services provides adoption services to us heathens
without any disfavor at all. I even get the feeling that we're preferred customers.

 

[Father Heathen]

Come on people. This should be more than just mocking JEsra's beliefs. Yeah, they're loopy, but that's true of all religions. There is no point arguing
against beliefs which are fundamental articles of faith. Women are treated different from men. That even happens in secular society too.

Anyway, I'd like to point out that the Catholic Church is friendly to atheists. Catholic Social Services provides adoption services to us heathens
without any disfavor at all. I even get the feeling that we're preferred customers.

If anything I was defending his beliefs, at least the legality of them. I can respect someones right to be an ignorant bigot, but I cannot respect their ignorance or bigotry itself. I also cannot respect an institution that pretends to be a moral authority while having systematically raped thousands upon thousands of children, and then attempted to cover it up, all the way to the top level. I would not hesitate to punch out the pope if offered the chance.

 

[Katzpur]

Neither homosexual marriage or women priest are comparable with the religion. Women have high roles and responsibilities in the church. Priest is just one of the responsibilities they can not take on. No women could stand In Persona Christi.

Just like a Man can not give birth, a women can not take on the role of in persona Christi.

Amen to that.

And as a non-Catholic, I'll give that my "Amen!" too.

 

[Splarnst]

It's patently wrong to say there's no discrimination in the Catholic Church. Whenever people are treated differently, there's discrimination. No NFL team has hired me as their starting QB because I'm slow, weak, and poorly skilled. They discriminate against me based on my lack of football talent, and that's a very good reason. What the Catholics and their supporters should be arguing here is that it's justified discrimination.

Of course, I don't find any of the arguments convincing. No woman can be a priest because she can't act in persona Christi. Why? Because Jesus was a man. So? It's just argument by fiat. Jesus was also a Jew—and so were all of the apostles—but it's not just converted Jews who can be priests.

 

[Revoltingest]

If anything I was defending his beliefs, at least the legality of them. I can respect someones right to be an ignorant bigot, but I cannot respect their ignorance or bigotry itself. I also cannot respect an institution that pretends to be a moral authority while having systematically raped thousands upon thousands of children, and then attempted to cover it up, all the way to the top level. I would not hesitate to punch out the pope if offered the chance.

Sumthin tells me that defending someone as an "ignorant bigot" wouldn't inspire the feeling of being defended.
It sounds more like abuse.

 

[Father Heathen]

Sumthin tells me that defending someone as an "ignorant bigot" wouldn't inspire the feeling of being defended.
It sounds more like abuse.

Poor things.

 

[Revoltingest]

Poor things.

Well, if they wanted respect, they shouldn't have dressed that way.

 

[Father Heathen]

Well, if they wanted respect, they shouldn't have dressed that way.

If they wanted respect, they shouldn't have embodied homophobia and misogyny while raping children and trying to cover it up.

 

[-Peacemaker-]

If they wanted respect, they shouldn't have embodied homophobia and misogyny while raping children and trying to cover it up.

This brings up one of the worst possible consequences of sin done by followers of Jesus. It makes the big guy look bad when his representatives screw up.

 

[sojourner]

In this discussion, JacobEzra recommended I start a new thread to discuss whether exclusion from Catholic rites constitutes discrimination:





If we consider it discrimination to withhold privileges from people on an arbitrary basis like gender, wouldn't the Catholic Church's position on gay marriage and female priests constitute discrimination?

-Nato

No, because discrimination depends upon the withholding of something to which one is entitled by right. Since neither Holy Orders or Marriage are rights to which one is entitled, the denial of such to persons for whatever reason does not constitute discrimination.