Discrimination in the Catholic Church

[sojourner]

Just like a Man can not give birth, a women can not take on the role of in persona Christi.

well, we'll be sure to uphold your right to have babies, even though you haven't got a womb...

 

[kepha31]

It's patently wrong to say there's no discrimination in the Catholic Church. Whenever people are treated differently, there's discrimination. No NFL team has hired me as their starting QB because I'm slow, weak, and poorly skilled. They discriminate against me based on my lack of football talent, and that's a very good reason. What the Catholics and their supporters should be arguing here is that it's justified discrimination.

Then is it justified discrimination to exclude women (who may be fast, strong, and highly skilled) from playing in the NFL?

 

[Splarnst]

Then is it justified discrimination to exclude women (who may be fast, strong, and highly skilled) from playing in the NFL?

No, it would not be justified. I think it would probably also be illegal.

 

[kepha31]

Gen. 3:15; Luke 1:26-55; John 19:26; Rev. 12:1- Mary is God's greatest creation, was the closest person to Jesus, and yet Jesus did not choose her to become a priest. God chose only men to be priests to reflect the complimentarity of the sexes. Just as the man (the royal priest) gives natural life to the woman in the marital covenant, the ministerial priest gives supernatural life in the New Covenant sacraments.

Judges 17:10; 18:19 – fatherhood and priesthood are synonymous terms. Micah says, “Stay with me, and be to me a father and a priest.” Fathers/priests give life, and mothers receive and nurture life. This reflects God our Father who gives the life of grace through the Priesthood of His Divine Son, and Mother Church who receives the life of grace and nourishes her children. In summary, women cannot be priests because women cannot be fathers.

Mark 16:9; Luke 7: 37-50; John 8:3-11 - Jesus allowed women to uniquely join in His mission, exalting them above cultural norms. His decision not to ordain women had nothing to do with culture. The Gospel writers are also clear that women participated in Jesus' ministry and, unlike men, never betrayed Jesus. Women have always been held with the highest regard in the Church (e.g., the Church's greatest saint and model of faith is a woman; the Church's constant teaching on the dignity of motherhood; the Church's understanding of humanity as being the Bride united to Christ, etc.).
Scripture Catholic - THE PRIESTHOOD - FATHERS, CELIBACY & WOMEN'S ORDINATION

Stop blaming the Catholic Church for an all male priesthood, blame it on God.

For further reading, see Gender Roles, Male Priests, Equality and Feminism
http://socrates58.blogspot.com/2007/03/gender-roles-male-priests-equality-and.html

 

[Splarnst]

I would consider reading that if it didn't make my eyes bleed.

 

[McBell]

Gen. 3:15; Luke 1:26-55; John 19:26; Rev. 12:1- Mary is God's greatest creation, was the closest person to Jesus, and yet Jesus did not choose her to become a priest. God chose only men to be priests to reflect the complimentarity of the sexes. Just as the man (the royal priest) gives natural life to the woman in the marital covenant, the ministerial priest gives supernatural life in the New Covenant sacraments.

Judges 17:10; 18:19 – fatherhood and priesthood are synonymous terms. Micah says, “Stay with me, and be to me a father and a priest.” Fathers/priests give life, and mothers receive and nurture life. This reflects God our Father who gives the life of grace through the Priesthood of His Divine Son, and Mother Church who receives the life of grace and nourishes her children. In summary, women cannot be priests because women cannot be fathers.

Mark 16:9; Luke 7: 37-50; John 8:3-11 - Jesus allowed women to uniquely join in His mission, exalting them above cultural norms. His decision not to ordain women had nothing to do with culture. The Gospel writers are also clear that women participated in Jesus' ministry and, unlike men, never betrayed Jesus. Women have always been held with the highest regard in the Church (e.g., the Church's greatest saint and model of faith is a woman; the Church's constant teaching on the dignity of motherhood; the Church's understanding of humanity as being the Bride united to Christ, etc.).
Scripture Catholic - THE PRIESTHOOD - FATHERS, CELIBACY & WOMEN'S ORDINATION

Stop blaming the Catholic Church for an all male priesthood, blame it on God.

:biglaugh:

 

[Father Heathen]

This brings up one of the worst possible consequences of sin done by followers of Jesus. It makes the big guy look bad when his representatives screw up.

If by "big guy" you mean pope, he has had his own hand in many of the cover ups. If by 'big guy" you mean god, then wouldn't he have the power to prevent or at least correct the all of the abuse and corruption?

 

[Father Heathen]

Stop blaming the Catholic Church for an all male priesthood, blame it on God.http://socrates58.blogspot.com/2007/03/gender-roles-male-priests-equality-and.html

That's like saying blame the puppet and not the ventriloquist.

 

[E. Nato Difficile]

Those displeased with its policies are best off leaving the church altogether.

I agree with you. If the Church repeatedly demonstrates its lack of respect for the women and homosexuals in the congregation, they're better off leaving.

-Nato

 

[McBell]

That's like saying blame the puppet and not the ventriloquist.

Welcome to Instant Rimshot

 

[JacobEzra.]

well, we'll be sure to uphold your right to have babies, even though you haven't got a womb...

You missed the point

 

[JacobEzra.]

If anything I was defending his beliefs, at least the legality of them. I can respect someones right to be an ignorant bigot, but I cannot respect their ignorance or bigotry itself. I also cannot respect an institution that pretends to be a moral authority while having systematically raped thousands upon thousands of children, and then attempted to cover it up, all the way to the top level. I would not hesitate to punch out the pope if offered the chance.

Systematically? Bs.

Its tragic, but Catholic church is not the only place where pedophiles have infiltrated. Much more teachers have been found to be predators then priest have.

 

[Revoltingest]

No, because discrimination depends upon the withholding of something to which one is entitled by right. Since neither Holy Orders or Marriage are rights to which one is entitled, the denial of such to persons for whatever reason does not constitute discrimination.

Jews discriminate against non-Jews regularly....letting only Jews become a rabbi.
This is fine with me.
I extend the same approval of Catholics when discriminating based upon their faith within their church.
However, I draw the line when they enter the secular world. Example: If they become landlords, they must rent to heathens & unmarried couples.

 

[JacobEzra.]

Example: If they become landlords, they must rent to heathens & unmarried couples.

Such does not happen much. In fact through Catholic Charities non-Catholic and Non-Christians get help.

 

[JacobEzra.]

:biglaugh:

You laugh but the Catholic church is based off the Bible.

 

[Revoltingest]

Such does not happen much. In fact through Catholic Charities non-Catholic and Non-Christians get help.

True dat.

 

[Revoltingest]

Systematically? Bs.

Its tragic, but Catholic church is not the only place where pedophiles have infiltrated. Much more teachers have been found to be predators then priest have.

I read of rabbis doing the same.
The Catholic Church does have a bigger problem with their massive & systematic cover-ups though.
I presume that situation will improve. (It better!)

 

[E. Nato Difficile]

Systematically? Bs.

Well, it's systematic when the rapists are tolerated by the Church hierarchy, shielded from criminal prosecution, and moved to unwitting communities to molest more children. That's what happened.

-Nato

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Neither homosexual marriage or women priest are comparable with the religion. Women have high roles and responsibilities in the church. Priest is just one of the responsibilities they can not take on. No women could stand In Persona Christi.

Just like a Man can not give birth, a women can not take on the role of in persona Christi.

I never understood this position. No mortal human being is close in character to Christ, yet the Catholic position seems to be that if a person has a penis, then he's "close enough".

What is it about the difference between the genders that makes a man qualified to stand in for Christ but a woman unqualified? Why is gender the defining characteristic that allows a person to do this? Why not any of the rest of Jesus' various characteristics?

Edit: and before you bring out the line about how Christ is the "bridegroom" and the Church is his "bride", I should point out that this would be just as much support for an all-female laity as it would be for an all-male clergy.

 

[Me Myself]

What the Catholics and their supporters should be arguing here is that it's justified discrimination.

Absolutely true, so let´s see from where teh discrimination comes from:

I never understood this position. No mortal human being is close in character to Christ, yet the Catholic position seems to be that if a person has a penis, then he's "close enough".

What is it about the difference between the genders that makes a man qualified to stand in for Christ but a woman unqualified? Why is gender the defining characteristic that allows a person to do this? Why not any of the rest of Jesus' various characteristics?

PENIS: No ***. For real.

Did you know you can´t be a priest is for any reason you are uncapable of having sex? (like for example not have a penis?) You can´t be a preist either if you are missing a hand BTW.

Now let´s go to the prime thing: Church decided that if Jesus was a man, and Pedro was a man, then OBVIOUSLY it meant that only MEN could be priests. It´s obvious. Like for example, if the both had a beard, then only BEARDED MEN could be priests. But wait... no, it´s actually completely ridiculous and a 100% assumption not based on anything solid at all.

THey just truly decided that men should be calling the shots. So what if Mary is a woman? She pretty much was impregnated by God (a male) and delivered his son (a male). The doctrine is clearly very patriarcal to begin with. Everyone calling the shots is a male, and the only "role" women are allowed to are being "slaves" (of God) and "servants".

But men, even if they **** up are the ones making the decisions: God, Jesus, Pedro (the ne who ***s up) , etc.

It´s how it is in the bible. So why don´t go one point further already and say that God clearly didn´t intend women to make choices? Wait... Paul already did that...