Discrimination in the Catholic Church

[9-10ths_Penguin]

The priesthood has never been for women. The Apostles were all men, as well as thous the Apostles ordained. And the Priesthood is a carry on from the Old covenant.

And Jesus was not a women.

The Apostles were all Jewish as well as being all men, and we could make a laundry list of ways in which any priest alive today is different from Jesus. Again, why is sex the one characteristic that matters?

Especially when you look at passages like Galatians 3, which seems to argue (to me, at least) that any differences between individuals don't matter if the individuals are baptized.

 

[McBell]

You do not like the Church because its based off the bible.

Why the **** are you posting again? Just to talk ****?

Seriously?
You seriously do not understand the ridiculousness of your proud proclamation?

Of course the Catholic Church is based on the Bible.
The Catholic Church cherry picked the Scriptures that were to be included in the Bible.

They kept what they liked and tossed out the rest.

Perhaps it would be most helpful for you to go learn how the Bible came to be?
Perhaps then you will understand what a joke your whole "The Catholic Church is Based on the Bible" statement really is.

 

[GabrielWithoutWings]

The Apostles were all Jewish as well as being all men, and we could make a laundry list of ways in which any priest alive today is different from Jesus. Again, why is sex the one characteristic that matters?

And this, if I remember correctly, is the very argument Episcopalians use in defense of their female ordinations.

Why indeed...

 

[McBell]

The church set the bible yeah.

So a more accurate and honest statement would be that the Bible is based on the Catholic Church, right?

I mean, seeing as it was the Catholic Church, based on their particular beliefs at the time, who decided which of the Scriptures to put in the Bible and which of the Scriptures to leave out...

 

[E. Nato Difficile]

The Apostles were all Jewish as well as being all men, and we could make a laundry list of ways in which any priest alive today is different from Jesus. Again, why is sex the one characteristic that matters?

This is the crux of the issue here.

The Vatican isn't at all wishy-washy about the ordination of females, either. Ordaining a female is automatically grounds for excommunication. If women can't be priests, understand, that means they have no access to the ranks of bishops and cardinals who control Church policy and practice. It seems that people in the Church hierarchy are adamant that women are excluded from positions of authority.

-Nato

 

[sojourner]

What about the Apostles?

1) Ordination is the church's official recognition of God's call. Since there was no church, there was no ordination.
2) I don't remember seeing the term "ordination" in the Bible when Jesus sent them out.

 

[sojourner]

The point still stands. The bible itself does discriminate women a lot, also promotes genocide, and slavery when taken literally (Old Testament).

You're acting like the Bible thinks these are good things that ought to happen in the world. But if that's the case, then the Bible also thinks that people ought to die by natural disaster, that there ought to be lots of war, that oppression is the norm, etc. Clearly, that's not the case, and to say it is the case is to grossly misrepresent the texts.

The Bible was written in a world where slavery was present, women were subjugated, and genocide was committed. What's it going to do -- pretend that these things didn't happen? These were realities that had to be dealt with in a theological way. But to say that the Bible "promoted" them is ridiculous.

 

[sojourner]

Anyway, the catholic church did not make up the rule...God did.

Rot! The Jewish culture, out of which the church came, made up the rule. If God had made up the rule, then the church wouldn't currently be growing lots of female clergy.

 

[JacobEzra.]

Seriously?
You seriously do not understand the ridiculousness of your proud proclamation?

Of course the Catholic Church is based on the Bible.
The Catholic Church cherry picked the Scriptures that were to be included in the Bible.

They kept what they liked and tossed out the rest.

Perhaps it would be most helpful for you to go learn how the Bible came to be?
Perhaps then you will understand what a joke your whole "The Catholic Church is Based on the Bible" statement really is.

LOL I think it is you who should really learn about the bible.

 

[Splarnst]

JacobEzra can't respond to my point about Jewishness. I win!

 

[sojourner]

And this, if I remember correctly, is the very argument Episcopalians use in defense of their female ordinations.

Why indeed...

Not quite. The rationale is that the Holy Spirit is as effectual in women as in men, and given the fact that all can be Christlike, one's sex makes no difference as to who is called.

 

[Me Myself]

JacobEzra can't respond to my point about Jewishness. I win!

Nor my point about being born poor.

Or having had other jobs.

Or having beard.

 

[Splarnst]

Nor my point about being born poor.

Or having had other jobs.

Or having beard.

At least he said something to you. And I think the Jewishness is the best example since God obviously makes enormous distinctions between Jew and Gentile throughout the entire OT. Not so with occupations, beards, or being born poor.

 

[Me Myself]

At least he said something to you. And I think the Jewishness is the best example since God obviously makes enormous distinctions between Jew and Gentile throughout the entire OT. Not so with occupations, beards, or being born poor.

Well Jesus spoke clearly about poverty. VERY clearly. Not that the Pope cared to listen, but still.

 

[JacobEzra.]

At least he said something to you. And I think the Jewishness is the best example since God obviously makes enormous distinctions between Jew and Gentile throughout the entire OT. Not so with occupations, beards, or being born poor.

If you knew anything about the New Testament then you would know why your argument is stupid/

 

[JacobEzra.]

Nor my point about being born poor.

Or having had other jobs.

Or having beard.

I take it you are not knowledgeable of the Levitical priesthood

 

[JacobEzra.]

Rot! The Jewish culture, out of which the church came, made up the rule. If God had made up the rule, then the church wouldn't currently be growing lots of female clergy.

Christ's church hasn't been growing lots of female clergy.

 

[Me Myself]

I take it you are not knowledgeable of the Levitical priesthood

By all means enlighten me.

 

[sojourner]

Christ's church hasn't been growing lots of female clergy.

The Presiding Bishop of the ECUSA is female. the General Minister and President of the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) is female. I have had 4 female ministers. My mother is an ordained minister, as well as my ex wife, and her two sisters-in-law. Need I say more?
[edit] There are currently more female students in my seminary than male students. There are (that I know of) at least 5 professors at the school who are ordained females.

 

[JacobEzra.]

The Presiding Bishop of the ECUSA is female. the General Minister and President of the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) is female. I have had 4 female ministers. My mother is an ordained minister, as well as my ex wife, and her two sisters-in-law. Need I say more?
[edit] There are currently more female students in my seminary than male students. There are (that I know of) at least 5 professors at the school who are ordained females.

Another reason why Episcopal are heretical sect.