Discrimination in the Catholic Church

[sojourner]

You act as if feminist norms in modern society runs the church.

they ought to be taken under serious consideration by the church. Otherwise, the church becomes no better or different than its preceding Egyptian, Babylonian, and Roman oppressors.

 

[sojourner]

I wonder what St. Joan of Arc would say if she herd what is said.

I wonder what St. Bridgit would say?...

 

[GabrielWithoutWings]

I wonder what St. Bridgit would say?...

Or Pope Joan? /snicker

 

[JacobEzra.]

I don't really have to. The Orthodox do perfectly fine on their own, even in Catholic territory. You know, when they aren't being heavily moderated.

haha that is a joke.

I have respect for Orthodox. They are better and more original that Protestants. But to say its all Roman fault for the schism, is just a historical inaccuracy.

 

[Falcon]

sojourner,no ,your mother isn't qualified to be a minister at all , as according to the "Word of God " .Maybe you think your mother is qualified but not according to the Holy Bible. I don't care which man-made interpretation that some of you people conviently twist to fit your man-made religious agenda.

 

[JacobEzra.]

they ought to be taken under serious consideration by the church. Otherwise, the church becomes no better or different than its preceding Egyptian, Babylonian, and Roman oppressors.

The Church runs by Gods laws.

 

[JacobEzra.]

I wonder what St. Bridgit would say?...

You talking about this St. Bridget? St. Bridget - Saints & Angels - Catholic Online

She became the first Religious in Ireland and founded a convent so that other young girls might become Nuns. When she consecrated herself to God, a miracle happened. She became very beautiful again! Bridget made people think of the Blessed Mother because she was so pure and sweet, so lovely and gentle. They called her the "Mary of the Irish."

Im sure she would not agree with feminist who believe what st. Bridget was called to, would be discrimination. In fact many Female saints took their callings and respected their vocations.Such as St. Teresa of Avila (A Doctor of the Church btw), St. Therese of Lisieux, Of course Teresa of Calcutta, not to mention St. Edith Stein, or St. Odilia, and many more female saints who did not see their callings as being oppressed.

 

[Falcon]

If Jesus had wanted women as priestesses ,then among the list of the apostles names would also include names of women. Besides , Jesus would have had the ideal candidate in Mary. Here was a woman who could have spoken the words of consecration literally :" This is My Body, This is My Blood ."

 

[Father Heathen]

sojourner,no ,your mother isn't qualified to be a minister at all , as according to the "Word of God " .Maybe you think your mother is qualified but not according to the Holy Bible. I don't care which man-made interpretation that some of you people conviently twist to fit your man-made religious agenda.

And the "holy bible" itself was the man-made religious agenda of primitive goat herders.

 

[McBell]

The Church runs by Gods laws.

An empty claim made by every church.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Another reason why Episcopal are heretical sect.

Speaking of heresy, how is your position not Donatism? You're effectively arguing that an individual's personal characteristics affect whether they can administer the sacraments.

:biglaugh:

At least we don't perp on our kids...:areyoucra
Subjugate natives and force conversion on them...:cover:
Hire a bunch of Spanish thugs to beat confessions out of people...

But we're the heretics??? C'mon, man!

Typical Roman response: We don't like this, so we're gonna pick up our marbles and go home! (Remember the Great Schism over one word in the Creed?) Nice work on their part, to not embrace diversity.

The Anglican/Episcopal communion isn't perfectly innocent either. At one point, the Church of England was the second-largest slave owner in the Caribbean.

 

[Quiddity]

I don't even know why this matters to non-catholics. We're just delusional myth holding zealots in their eyes anyhow. Just don't be catholic if you don't like it.

I suppose a case can be made against the Church; but I'd be suprised any judge would impose such a thing on a religion by getting passed the whole seperation of church and state. It's not gonna go anywhere, unless you plan to be as delusional as us catholics.

 

[Quiddity]

Speaking of heresy, how is your position not Donatism? You're effectively arguing that an individual's personal characteristics affect whether they can administer the sacraments.

Help me out here, how does his position on Donatism matter here?

 

[JacobEzra.]

Speaking of heresy, how is your position not Donatism? You're effectively arguing that an individual's personal characteristics affect whether they can administer the sacraments.

If I understand what I read, that dealt with sins. Not with being a male or women.
Ex opere operato - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaTHis explains the Catholic position.


The judgement of the Church is put like this in the Catechism

1577 "Only a baptized man (vir) validly receives sacred ordination."66 The Lord Jesus chose men (viri) to form the college of the twelve apostles, and the apostles did the same when they chose collaborators to succeed them in their ministry.67 The college of bishops, with whom the priests are united in the priesthood, makes the college of the twelve an ever-present and ever-active reality until Christ's return. The Church recognizes herself to be bound by this choice made by the Lord himself. For this reason the ordination of women is not possible.68

1578 No one has a right to receive the sacrament of Holy Orders. Indeed no one claims this office for himself; he is called to it by God.69 Anyone who thinks he recognizes the signs of God's call to the ordained ministry must humbly submit his desire to the authority of the Church, who has the responsibility and right to call someone to receive orders. Like every grace this sacrament can be received only as an unmerited gift.

 

[Splarnst]

I do not see why an atheist should even have a say.

I don't have a say in what the Catholic Church actually does. Are you suggesting I shouldn't even be allowed to discuss the discrimination at all? You don't have to listen to me, but you don't get to shut me up. Unlike during the dark ages.

 

[Splarnst]

If Jesus had wanted women as priestesses ,then among the list of the apostles names would also include names of women.

If Jesus had wanted non-Jews as priests, then Jesus would have selected a non-Jew as an apostle. If yours is correct, then so is mine.

 

[crystalonyx]

Catholics also discriminate in a way by requiring those who marry to get married in a Cathlic church for the union to be accepted. So if you have a Catholic marrying someone of another religion, it discrimnates against that other religion.

 

[Father Heathen]

Systematically? Bs.

The church, all the way up to the pope, has always tried to cover up it it's crimes and move predator priests around so they could continue to prey upon children with impunity.

Its tragic, but Catholic church is not the only place where pedophiles have infiltrated.

The difference is that the Catholic church claims to be a moral authority and presumes to speak and act on god's behalf.

 

[Quiddity]

I don't have a say in what the Catholic Church actually does. Are you suggesting I shouldn't even be allowed to discuss the discrimination at all? You don't have to listen to me, but you don't get to shut me up. Unlike during the dark ages.

Yes, I can hear the pitch forks now. This isn't Christianforums......God knows you'll be heard.

 

[Quiddity]

The church, all the way up to the pope, has always tried to cover up it it's crimes and move predator priests around so they could continue to prey upon children with impunity.

This is so tirelessly regurgitated that it deserves little attention.