Discrimination in the Catholic Church

[Quiddity]

Catholics also discriminate in a way by requiring those who marry to get married in a Cathlic church for the union to be accepted. So if you have a Catholic marrying someone of another religion, it discrimnates against that other religion.

So, if say, the Catholic Church accepted marriages from Wicca it would not be discriminatory?

 

[E. Nato Difficile]

This is so tirelessly regurgitated that it deserves little attention.

And there's a mountain of evidence supporting it that's hard for sane people to ignore.

-Nato

 

[Quiddity]

And there's a mountain of evidence supporting it that's hard for sane people to ignore.

-Nato

Been there, done that. It concludes and go so far as Bishops covering it up, but the Pope? Can't say I've read it. Besides, it's off topic.

 

[JacobEzra.]

I don't have a say in what the Catholic Church actually does. Are you suggesting I shouldn't even be allowed to discuss the discrimination at all? You don't have to listen to me, but you don't get to shut me up. Unlike during the dark ages.

lol there is many women in the church who would disagree to such accusation of discrimination. Its even more funny when you and other atheist slander the church yet have little knowledge of what your even talking about.

 

[sojourner]

sojourner,no ,your mother isn't qualified to be a minister at all , as according to the "Word of God " .Maybe you think your mother is qualified but not according to the Holy Bible. I don't care which man-made interpretation that some of you people conviently twist to fit your man-made religious agenda.

Yes, she is, according to the Bible. And so was Bridget.
All interpretation is human-generated.
All religious agenda is, likewise human-generated.
How do you think we ended up with a Papacy? Because Rome was the seat of political power at the time.

 

[JacobEzra.]

Catholics also discriminate in a way by requiring those who marry to get married in a Cathlic church for the union to be accepted. So if you have a Catholic marrying someone of another religion, it discrimnates against that other religion.

Because its only valid when a Catholic priest does the marriage.

As with any other sacrament

 

[sojourner]

The Church runs by Gods laws.

...As filtered through human agency...

 

[sojourner]

You talking about this St. Bridget? St. Bridget - Saints & Angels - Catholic Online




Im sure she would not agree with feminist who believe what st. Bridget was called to, would be discrimination. In fact many Female saints took their callings and respected their vocations.Such as St. Teresa of Avila (A Doctor of the Church btw), St. Therese of Lisieux, Of course Teresa of Calcutta, not to mention St. Edith Stein, or St. Odilia, and many more female saints who did not see their callings as being oppressed.

There is also evidence that she was in charge of a church -- but I'm sure your RCC references exclude that little fact.

 

[waitasec]

if homosexuals want to get married in the church, then they should find a church that would...but many many people get married outside of the church.
it's almost like a girl protesting for her right to join the boy scouts...
i see absolutely no logic in it...
however, if people of the christian church vote against having the state marry homosexuals then they are not being very christian like, in fact to the contrary. they are being judgmental with a false sense of being appointed to help god out with his plan, whatever that is...and being very controlling of other people subjecting them to their messed up religious beliefs...
christians should read luke 6 and take into account that being christ like isn't a walk in the park
it's about letting god do his work through your willingness to let go or try to be controlling...i have yet to see anything that impresses me


edit:
even if they found a church...there aren't too many states that would allow for it...so the pickens are slim

 

[sojourner]

If Jesus had wanted women as priestesses ,then among the list of the apostles names would also include names of women. Besides , Jesus would have had the ideal candidate in Mary. Here was a woman who could have spoken the words of consecration literally :" This is My Body, This is My Blood ."

I don't think it has much to do with "what Jesus wanted."

 

[sojourner]

I don't even know why this matters to non-catholics. We're just delusional myth holding zealots in their eyes anyhow. Just don't be catholic if you don't like it.

I suppose a case can be made against the Church; but I'd be suprised any judge would impose such a thing on a religion by getting passed the whole seperation of church and state. It's not gonna go anywhere, unless you plan to be as delusional as us catholics.

I'm not saying you're delusional. My position is clear: Not discrimination. That being said, my opinion is that y'all really need stronger justification than you have, because what you have is based upon hermeneutical double-talk.

 

[Quiddity]

if homosexuals want to get married in the church, then they should find a church that would...but many many people get married outside of the church.
it's almost like a girl protesting for her right to join the boy scouts...
i see absolutely no logic in it...
however, if people of the christian church vote against having the state marry homosexuals then they are not being very christian like, in fact to the contrary. they are being judgmental with a false sense of being appointed to help god out with his plan, whatever that is...and being very controlling of other people subjecting them to their messed up religious beliefs...
christians should read luke 6 and take into account that being christ like isn't a walk in the park
it's about letting god do his work through your willingness to let go or try to be controlling...i have yet to see anything that impresses me

"Letting God work through you"......means nothing without an explanation; which then leads to judging........round and round we go.

 

[sojourner]

If I understand what I read, that dealt with sins. Not with being a male or women.

Quite right.

 

[Father Heathen]

Been there, done that. It concludes and go so far as Bishops covering it up, but the Pope?

You should look beyond their goofy hats, and into their character and conduct:

Pope knew priest was paedophile but allowed him to continue with ministry -Times Online
Priest Sex-Abuse Case in Archdiocese of Benedict's Adviser - TIME
More Evidence Emerges That Pope Benedict Helped Shield Pedophiles Before He Became Pope
AP: Future pope stalled pedophile case - Washington Times


Honestly, do you really need these people to spoon feed you morals?

 

[Quiddity]

I'm not saying you're delusional. My position is clear: Not discrimination. That being said, my opinion is that y'all really need stronger justification than you have, because what you have is based upon hermeneutical double-talk.

I didn't realize I was dealing with hermeneutics. Even less that I was making an attempt to justify.

Thanks anyways.

 

[sojourner]

Catholics also discriminate in a way by requiring those who marry to get married in a Cathlic church for the union to be accepted. So if you have a Catholic marrying someone of another religion, it discrimnates against that other religion.

Again: No, because no one has the right to be married. As far as the church is concerned, marriage is a sacrament to which one is called -- like Holy Orders. The church doesn't consider "civil marriage" the same as "married in God's eyes." What silly accusation is next? That the church is discriminatory for not allowing atheists to be Christians???

C'mon folks! At least put up a decent, logical argument here! None of this is discrimination. But I do believe that the RCC needs to reconsider its hermeneutic in this regard, if it intends to continue barring women from ordination to diaconate and priesthood.

 

[Quiddity]

You should look beyond their goofy hats, and into their character and conduct:

Pope knew priest was paedophile but allowed him to continue with ministry -Times Online
Priest Sex-Abuse Case in Archdiocese of Benedict's Adviser - TIME
More Evidence Emerges That Pope Benedict Helped Shield Pedophiles Before He Became Pope
AP: Future pope stalled pedophile case - Washington Times


Honestly, do you really need these people to spoon feed you morals?

I suppose I could invent my own; It just never crossed my mind.

I've thought of looking for a Church that has an impeccable characteristics but was left wanting.

....

 

[JacobEzra.]

There is also evidence that she was in charge of a church -- but I'm sure your RCC references exclude that little fact.

lol a convent is not a church, silly :slap:

 

[sojourner]

I didn't realize I was dealing with hermeneutics. Even less that I was making an attempt to justify.

Thanks anyways.

Of course you are, because you're making the argument that the disallowance of female ordinands is Biblically-based. Since that's the argument you're making, that Biblical base needs to be understood according to some method -- called a "hermeneutic." I contend that the reason that's been put forth here, namely that "Jesus was a male," is a hermeneutic from a patriarchal-cultural perspective, which is not the same hermeneutic that the average-Joe American Catholic uses when considering today's cultural issues.

In other words, at one time and place, admitting women for ordination might not have been very wise, considering the social climate. But in 21st century America (and much of the rest of the world)???

 

[sojourner]

lol a convent is not a church, silly :slap:

Told you your sources left it out...