Discussing Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning

[Seve]

A more consistent understanding of the Hebrew scripture in the original context, instead of the Roman context would help you possibly 'gain your good reputation.'

The Bible was written for the past, present, and future. It is relevant for today, and tomorrow.

Written by the Supreme Intelligence, it's just too hard for poor ignorant Unbelievers, Pretenders and Opportunistic FALSE Prophet to comprehend.

Mat 11:25 .At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

 

[shunyadragon]

The Bible was written for the past, present, and future. It is relevant for today, and tomorrow.

Written by the Supreme Intelligence, it's just too hard for poor, ignorant, unbelievers, pretenders and Opportunistic FALSE Prophet to comprehend.

Mat 11:25 .At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

A more consistent understanding of the Hebrew scripture in the original context, instead of the Roman context would help you possibly 'gain your good reputation.'

 

[Seve]

A more consistent understanding of the Hebrew scripture in the original context, instead of the Roman context would help you possibly 'gain your good reputation.'

Exactly, that's why I use the Old English KJV (very few paraphrasing) ... because it allows me to research the proper usage of the original Word of Interest - in Hebrews and Greek .

Also, so I can catch those Pretenders or False Prophets who' trying to take away the accomplishment and fulfillment of our Lord prophecies to benefit themselves (i.e. Bahaullah in my opinion) - by giving themselves the credit in expense of our Lord Jesus Christ....

 

[Seve]

Believe it or Not:

In the Day, Adam and his generations were Created spiritually in the image and likeness of God (Gen 1:26-27) - both A&E have already committed their “original sins”; sent out of the garden of Eden; Cain had already killed Abel; and the creation event took place during the Seth’ generations; only after Man began to call upon the name of the Lord (Gen 4:26) ...and repent.

Read and learn:

Gen 5:1-3 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
v2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
v3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:

Obviously of course, Cain, who was a Murderer and a Liar from the beginning could NOT have been made in the image or likeness of God.

This means that.... not everybody is created in the image and likeness of God from natural birth, unless, one is Born Again, spiritually in Christ.

1 Cor 15:45-46 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living sou l; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. v46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

OUR GOD IS AN AWESOME GOD!

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Obviously of course, Cain, who was a Murderer and a Liar from the beginning could NOT have been made in the image or likeness of God.

Mankind, both male and female, is made in the image of God. That would include Cain. Just because a human being has an inclination to evil, and can do horrific things (and many have done far worse than Cain) does not mean they lack the image of God.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Damascus, the capital city of Syria and the oldest continuously inhabited city on the planet..

As the dating is somewhat nebulous, according to wikipedia, Byblos, Jericho, Rey, Old Jerusalem, Tyre, and Beirut give Damascus a run for its money.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

The context of the cited text is about YHWH being Made to have PHYSICAL FORM - the only God to be seen and witnessed in physical form by his chosen people.

Therefore, YHWH could NOT have been the INVISIBLE God Father, but the Son himself, the Christ..

You are taking the anthropomorphisms of God literally. They are not meant that way. You might want to consider studying the texts with Jews, since they are our books in our language.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Okay... Correct me, my friend, if my understanding of your Biblical Stand is wrong, since I am a little bit confuse.

IOW, what you are saying is.....

LORD = YHWH or Jehovah - The Almighty God Father
Lord = the Son - Pre-human - Archangel Michael - OT .... or Jesus Christ - NT

Would this be the case of your Biblical Stand?

Thanks

LORD is simply Christian politeness, modeled after Jewish reverence for the sacred name of God, yad hey and vav hey.
Lord is Adonai. It is simply a title used to speak to God, in that God is master. It does not refer to Jesus or Archangels or some Trinitarian identity. God is echad, one.

 

[sooda]

As the dating is somewhat nebulous, according to wikipedia, Byblos, Jericho, Rey, Old Jerusalem, Tyre, and Beirut give Damascus a run for its money.

"Continuously inhabited". The Street called Straight is supposed to be 6,000 years old, or it was when I was there.

 

[metis]

Exactly, that's why I use the Old English KJV (very few paraphrasing) ... because it allows me to research the proper usage of the original Word of Interest - in Hebrews and Greek .

The RSV is better to be used as it is considered to be more the gold standard of interpretations because it uses the words closest to the original meanings in Hebrew and Koine Greek even if the reading is more clumsy. You can get it on line and also use it as a search engine: Bible: Revised Standard Version

 

[sooda]

You are taking the anthropomorphisms of God literally. They are not meant that way. You might want to consider studying the texts with Jews, since they are our books in our language.

Anthropomorphism (Greek anthropos,"human being"; morphe,"shape") is the attribution of human form or qualities to that which is not human.

In the history of religion, anthropomorphism refers to the depiction of God in a human image, with human bodily form and emotions, such as jealousy, wrath, or love.

 

[shunyadragon]

Exactly, that's why I use the Old English KJV (very few paraphrasing) ... because it allows me to research the proper usage of the original Word of Interest - in Hebrews and Greek .

Also, so I can catch those Pretenders or False Prophets who' trying to take away the accomplishment and fulfillment of our Lord prophecies to benefit themselves (i.e. Bahaullah in my opinion) - by giving themselves the credit in expense of our Lord Jesus Christ....

Actually the Revised King James Version corrects a lot of the errors and translation problems in the original King James Version based on more recent discoveries and research on all the texts available, with notations and foot noted sources. All the better translations DO NOT use paraphrasing. Personally I use comparative versions side by side using the better translations.

To add I use archaeological and historical research of the Middle East and all the languages that evolved in the region related to the Bible.

 

[Seve]

Genesis is a compilation of various older (Sumerian, Babylonian, Canaanite, and Ugarit) sources, blended edited and redacted with Hebrew traditional sources and oral myths. There is no value trying reconcile Genesis 1 and 2 that are two distinct different sources in the compilation.

It is best to just accept it as ancient mythology and move on.

Dear shunyadragon,

Below is one of the so many ways you can Reconcile Genesis 1 & 2 contrary to your Doctrinal Teachings above (see highlighted quotes) and flawed understanding of the Holy Scripture.

For your additional learning of the same:

Genesis 1 is an Outline of ALL of the events leading to the Creation of the Perfect Heaven. Most of the rest of the Bible refers to the present 6th Day, but ALL of the Bible refers to the events of God's 6 Creative Days. That's why we are taken back to the 3rd Day at Gen 2:4. The narrative is adding details to the events listed in Gen 1. Both accounts Gen 1:1-2 agree totally and in detail.

What is amazing is that God wrote our History more than 3,000 years ago, and the events at the end of the present 6th Day are still Future. IOW, God told the complete story of the Creation in Genesis 1 and beginning at Gen 2:4, we begin to learn the details of the events of Genesis 1.

Isa 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and*there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, v10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Here’s how to can reconcile the Physical forming of Adam from the dust of the ground becoming a NATURAL living soul, on the 3rd Day of Genesis.... Before he was Created in the image and likeness God spiritually - on the 6th Day...together with Eve.

Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were CREATED (by the Father - ex-nihilo), in the day that the LORD God (by the Son) MADE (formed/fashioned) the earth and the heavens, (Plural)

The "Day" is the 3rd Day. One can see this because it is the "Day" in which the "Earth" is made. Gen. 1:9-10 confirms that the "Earth" was made on the 3rd Day. Heavens is Plural and shows that Jesus also made other "Heavens", on the 3rd Day.*

Gen 2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

v6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

Further confirmation that these verses are speaking of the 3rd Day, BEFORE the plants, and herbs, which were made on the 3rd Day, ref. Gen 1:11-12. Why is it so important for the 3rd Day to be identified. Read the next verses.

Gen. 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul
.
v8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

As you should clearly see, Adam was made on the 3rd Day Before the plants, herbs, and right after the mists that watered the whole face of the ground.

Once you understand this, you will see that Humans has preeminence or first place among all other living creatures. It is also in agreement with the events of the 6th Day when the LORD made the animals from the dust and brought them to Adam to name them. Notice that Adam was ALONE at the beginning of the 6th Day. Gen 2:18

1 Co 45:46 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. v47 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is NATURAL; and afterward that which is SPIRITUAL.


OUR GOD IS AN AWESOME GOD!

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Isa 42:16 And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.

 

[sooda]

Dear shunyadragon,

Below is one of the so many ways you can Reconcile Genesis 1 & 2 contrary to your Doctrinal Teachings above (see highlighted quotes) and flawed understanding of the Holy Scripture.

For your additional learning of our Scripture:

Genesis 1 is an Outline of ALL of the events leading to the Creation of the Perfect Heaven. Most of the rest of the Bible refers to the present 6th Day, but ALL of the Bible refers to the events of God's 6 Creative Days. That's why we are taken back to the 3rd Day at Gen 2:4. The narrative is adding details to the events listed in Gen 1. Both accounts Gen 1:1-2 agree totally and in detail.

What is amazing is that God wrote our History more than 3,000 years ago, and the events at the end of the present 6th Day are still Future. IOW, God told the complete story of the Creation in Genesis 1 and beginning at Gen 2:4, we begin to learn the details of the events of Genesis 1.

Isa 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and*there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, v10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Here’s how to can reconcile the Physical forming of Adam from the dust of the ground becoming a NATURAL living soul, on the 3rd Day of Genesis.... Before he was Created in the image and likeness God spiritually - on the 6th Day...together with Eve.

Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were CREATED (by the Father - ex-nihilo), in the day that the LORD God (by the Son) MADE (formed/fashioned) the earth and the heavens, (Plural)

The "Day" is the 3rd Day. One can see this because it is the "Day" in which the "Earth" is made. Gen. 1:9-10 confirms that the "Earth" was made on the 3rd Day. Heavens is Plural and shows that Jesus also made other "Heavens", on the 3rd Day.*

Gen 2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. v6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

Further confirmation that these verses are speaking of the 3rd Day, BEFORE the plants, and herbs, which were made on the 3rd Day, ref. Gen 1:11-12. Why is it so important for the 3rd Day to be identified. Read the next verses.

Gen. 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. v8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

As you should clearly see, Adam was made on the 3rd Day Before the plants, herbs, and mists that watered the whole face of the ground.

Once you understand this, you will see that Humans has preeminence or first place among all other living creatures. It is also in agreement with the events of the 6th Day when the LORD made the animals from the dust and brought them to Adam to name them. Notice that Adam was ALONE at the beginning of the 6th Day. Gen 2:18

1 Co 45:46 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. v47 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is NATURAL; and afterward that which is SPIRITUAL.

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Isa 42:16 And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.

Israel and Judah had different creation stories which were cobbled together at the request of King Omri when he was trying to reunite the two. Scripture has been redacted, amended and added to many times by many different authors.

 

[shunyadragon]

Dear shunyadragon,

Below is one of the so many ways you can Reconcile Genesis 1 & 2 contrary to your Doctrinal Teachings above (see highlighted quotes) and flawed understanding of the Holy Scripture.

For your additional learning of the same:

Genesis 1 is an Outline of ALL of the events leading to the Creation of the Perfect Heaven. Most of the rest of the Bible refers to the present 6th Day, but ALL of the Bible refers to the events of God's 6 Creative Days. That's why we are taken back to the 3rd Day at Gen 2:4. The narrative is adding details to the events listed in Gen 1. Both accounts Gen 1:1-2 agree totally and in detail.

What is amazing is that God wrote our History more than 3,000 years ago, and the events at the end of the present 6th Day are still Future. IOW, God told the complete story of the Creation in Genesis 1 and beginning at Gen 2:4, we begin to learn the details of the events of Genesis 1.

Isa 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and*there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, v10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Here’s how to can reconcile the Physical forming of Adam from the dust of the ground becoming a NATURAL living soul, on the 3rd Day of Genesis.... Before he was Created in the image and likeness God spiritually - on the 6th Day...together with Eve.

Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were CREATED (by the Father - ex-nihilo), in the day that the LORD God (by the Son) MADE (formed/fashioned) the earth and the heavens, (Plural)

The "Day" is the 3rd Day. One can see this because it is the "Day" in which the "Earth" is made. Gen. 1:9-10 confirms that the "Earth" was made on the 3rd Day. Heavens is Plural and shows that Jesus also made other "Heavens", on the 3rd Day.*

Gen 2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

v6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

Further confirmation that these verses are speaking of the 3rd Day, BEFORE the plants, and herbs, which were made on the 3rd Day, ref. Gen 1:11-12. Why is it so important for the 3rd Day to be identified. Read the next verses.

Gen. 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul
.
v8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

As you should clearly see, Adam was made on the 3rd Day Before the plants, herbs, and right after the mists that watered the whole face of the ground.

Once you understand this, you will see that Humans has preeminence or first place among all other living creatures. It is also in agreement with the events of the 6th Day when the LORD made the animals from the dust and brought them to Adam to name them. Notice that Adam was ALONE at the beginning of the 6th Day. Gen 2:18

1 Co 45:46 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. v47 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is NATURAL; and afterward that which is SPIRITUAL.


OUR GOD IS AN AWESOME GOD!

**************************************************************************************************

Isa 42:16 And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.

Over the top imaginative Jerryrigging of Sumerian/ Canaanite mythology to force fit a fundi agenda.

 

[The Anointed]

Israel and Judah had different creation stories which were cobbled together at the request of King Omri when he was trying to reunite the two. Scripture has been redacted, amended and added to many times by many different authors.

King Omri, the father of Ahab, was the most evil of all the kings that had preceded him, and where will we find the supposed two different creation stories of Israel and Judah, which you imagine were cobbled together by Omri?

 

[Seve]

Noah’s Ark:

The idea that Noah brought many thousands of animals is UnScriptural. The total number could easily have been few hundreds of creatures / animals.

There was no need to bring creatures which were created from the water on the 5th Day, Gen 1:21 since those same kinds of creatures; animals; and fowls of the air (Their Kinds - Trinity) were also brought forth on our present Planet and had been here for Billions of years Before the Ark arrived and floated in the vicinity of Mt. Ararat (Lake Van. Turkey) some 11k years ago.

The creatures; animals and fowls of the air which were aboard the Ark were the ones which Jesus, the Son, made with His own Hands (His Kinds - Son). Science calls them common ancestors. The common ancestor of All Humanity on this present planet of ours was a direct descendant of Adam - the first Human who set foot this this planet - his name was Noah .

Humans were scattered all over the face of the Earth from Babel which was built by the son of one of Noah's grandsons, Cush. Gen 10:10 Science agrees and Human civilization can be traced to Noah's arrival some 11k years ago just south of Mt. Ararat.

 

[sooda]

Noah’s Ark:

The idea that Noah brought many thousands of animals is UnScriptural. The total number could easily have been few hundreds of creatures / animals.

There was no need to bring creatures which were created from the water on the 5th Day, Gen 1:21 since those same kinds of creatures; animals; and fowls of the air (Their Kinds - Trinity) were also brought forth on our present Planet and had been here for Billions of years Before the Ark arrived and floated in the vicinity of Mt. Ararat (Lake Van. Turkey) some 11k years ago.

The creatures; animals and fowls of the air which were aboard the Ark were the ones which Jesus, the Son, made with His own Hands (His Kinds - Son). Science calls them common ancestors. The common ancestor of All Humanity on this present planet of ours was a direct descendant of Adam - the first Human who set foot this this planet - his name was Noah .

Humans were scattered all over the face of the Earth from Babel which was built by the son of one of Noah's grandsons, Cush. Gen 10:10 Science agrees and Human civilization can be traced to Noah's arrival some 11k years ago just south of Mt. Ararat.

Tower of Babel was built before the flood in approximately 3500 BC.. Ziggurats were popular all over the middle east.. some still exist.. They were watch towers of signal towers..

 

[sooda]

King Omri, the father of Ahab, was the most evil of all the kings that had preceded him, and where will we find the supposed two different creation stories of Israel and Judah, which you imagine were cobbled together by Omri?

You might want to read Genesis.. That's the reason for the doublets.

Omri is actually responsible for building Solomon's stables.

What almost all scholars agree on, however, is that the structures were not built by Solomon in the tenth century B.C.E. They are dated to the ninth century B.C.E. instead, possibly to the reigns of King Omri or King Ahab. (For the possibility that Solomon, too, had stables at Megiddo and that they might still be partially visible under the later structures, see “King Solomon’s Stables—Still at Megiddo?”)

“Solomon’s Stables”: Are They Solomon’s? Are They Stables?

 

[Seve]

Tower of Babel was built before the flood in approximately 3500 BC.. Ziggurats were popular all over the middle east.. some still exist.. They were watch towers of signal towers..

Dear Readers,

The basis of dating of the Ancient Religious Leaders and Archbishop James Ussher does NOT agree with the observed Truth of History.

A good example is the below which shows that the first Human cities were built (some are still with us) by Noah's great grandsons some 10k years ago. Gen 10:10... Not 3500 BC years ago, as other posters will let you believe..... http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/map00-fc.html

The chronology of Adam's years of living started counting only after he was Born Again spiritually in the Image and Likeness of God during Seth’ generations. That's also why Eve is called the "Mother of all the living". Biblically speaking, those who are NOT yet born again spiritually are considered by the Scripture as "Dead" and not "Living".

Therefore, the number of years of those who were not yet born again spiritually, are NOT INCLUDED in record of the chronology of the number of years as a "LIVING" in the image and likeness of God - as recorded in the Genealogy listings in the Scripture - from the birth Jesus thru Mary’s womb back to Seth .... simply because they are considered "Dead" and not "Living" by the Scripture. The number of LIVING - days/years - started counting only after being Born Again spiritually in the image and likeness of God. Why? Again, simply because....

He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err. Mar 12:27

Therefore, the basis of dating methodology leaves thousands of years more .... (if not double).... to be added to the flawed estimated numbers of years to the Universal Flood of 6K (?) only ... at the time Noah set foot on this present planet of ours.

Only Willingly Ignorant Unbelievers always stumble to this Biblical Truth after being informed with Scriptural Proof Text, repeatedly .... a good example is our opposition poster above.

Note: Adam lived with Jesus for Billions of years before he disobeyed because he was made in a perfect body with a Shekinah Glory like that of Jesus. Adam lived in a body like those which Christians will have in heaven and so did Eve. Some denominations teach that death came into the world then, but Scripture shows that death came unto mankind (Heb-Adam) because he sinned.