Discussion: Atheism and the Body, Ideas as Cancer or Perception Precedes Evidence

[Searching1981]

I want to limit this discussion among Atheists and Abrahamic (Jews, Christians, Muslims, Mormons). But that is just a preference, anyone can reply.

Now, what if I told you the problem of Atheism wasn't a Problem of Evidence or Logic but was a problem of body? What do I mean by that? I tell you a truth, Atheists when confronted with ideas which contradict their world view feel as if they are becoming empty or being eaten away by a cancer. They literally have a physical reaction when confronted with ideas and because they do not have perspective, they think everyone's body is like theirs. It is not.

Let me describe to them what my body feels like and what the body of sincere theists feel like (insincere theists feel what Atheists feel as well, this is the opposite side of the same coin). I feel my soul all over my body with every breath, I am more than my soul as I feel it grow and contract. My soul is not in my brain or my heart, rather it is all over growing and contracting with every breath. When I do good, or meet someone who has taught me something, or when I learn and explore something...I feel this soul grow and become bigger and stronger. That is why I always say, which I feel in my heart, "I love you (spiritually," because you have helped me immensely with your sincerity.

So, when I read a Holy Book (The Bible, The Quran, the Book of Mormon, Sutras, Gitas) I literally feel this soul inside me leap up with joy; it's not an emotion, it is a physical feeling and that physical feeling makes me feel joy. Or when I meet a wise man, a musician, an artist, a writer or painter who is filled with the Holiness of exploration even if their ideas aren't my own this soul grows. In other words, a changing of ideas, especially new and novel ones is always a time of celebration.

Now, let us go back to the Atheist. They don't feel this. When confronted with an idea they literally feel anxious, and they feel they are becoming nothing, and they feel that a cancer has struck them and their body is being eaten away. The problem cannot be fixed, it is how they have been all their lives and that is all they know.

Then going further when they see a miracle they assume they have gone mad, they are crazy. Why? Because that body feels like they are being eaten away, so it is maddening. Hence, when they overreact to a thought, the rest of us with better bodies know is true, it is because they want to violently destroy that which gives them cancer. They literally feel they are dying, so in their logic what would be wrong with fighting back.

Then there is sex which they do not understand. They see it as status, procreation, as fertility; they see it in the bases terms. And when we say, "sex is sacred to us with our soulmates don't debase it." They think we are prudes. But when we have sex, we feel our soul meld with another person of the opposite gender. We feel something outside of our body, for baseless sex is just five second thrill and they keep chasing that five seconds because that is the only time the cancer goes away. Where for us, it is a fun, joyful moment of intimacy where we are uplifted to greater awareness.

Don't think you can convince and Atheist, their problem is not their mind it is their body. Just know what you experience as normal is not what they experience as normal. And look at all their reactions after this.

 

[Augustus]

Now, let us go back to the Atheist. They don't feel this. When confronted with an idea they literally feel anxious, and they feel they are becoming nothing, and they feel that a cancer has struck them and their body is being eaten away. The problem cannot be fixed, it is how they have been all their lives and that is all they know.

Then going further when they see a miracle they assume they have gone mad, they are crazy. Why? Because that body feels like they are being eaten away, so it is maddening. Hence, when they overreact to a thought, the rest of us with better bodies know is true, it is because they want to violently destroy that which gives them cancer. They literally feel they are dying, so in their logic what would be wrong with fighting back.

 

[Nakosis]

I want to limit this discussion among Atheists and Abrahamic (Jews, Christians, Muslims, Mormons). But that is just a preference, anyone can reply.

Now, what if I told you the problem of Atheism wasn't a Problem of Evidence or Logic but was a problem of body? What do I mean by that? I tell you a truth, Atheists when confronted with ideas which contradict their world view feel as if they are becoming empty or being eaten away by a cancer. They literally have a physical reaction when confronted with ideas and because they do not have perspective, they think everyone's body is like theirs. It is not.

Let me describe to them what my body feels like and what the body of sincere theists feel like (insincere theists feel what Atheists feel as well, this is the opposite side of the same coin). I feel my soul all over my body with every breath, I am more than my soul as I feel it grow and contract. My soul is not in my brain or my heart, rather it is all over growing and contracting with every breath. When I do good, or meet someone who has taught me something, or when I learn and explore something...I feel this soul grow and become bigger and stronger. That is why I always say, which I feel in my heart, "I love you (spiritually," because you have helped me immensely with your sincerity.

So, when I read a Holy Book (The Bible, The Quran, the Book of Mormon, Sutras, Gitas) I literally feel this soul inside me leap up with joy; it's not an emotion, it is a physical feeling and that physical feeling makes me feel joy. Or when I meet a wise man, a musician, an artist, a writer or painter who is filled with the Holiness of exploration even if their ideas aren't my own this soul grows. In other words, a changing of ideas, especially new and novel ones is always a time of celebration.

Now, let us go back to the Atheist. They don't feel this. When confronted with an idea they literally feel anxious, and they feel they are becoming nothing, and they feel that a cancer has struck them and their body is being eaten away. The problem cannot be fixed, it is how they have been all their lives and that is all they know.

Then going further when they see a miracle they assume they have gone mad, they are crazy. Why? Because that body feels like they are being eaten away, so it is maddening. Hence, when they overreact to a thought, the rest of us with better bodies know is true, it is because they want to violently destroy that which gives them cancer. They literally feel they are dying, so in their logic what would be wrong with fighting back.

Then there is sex which they do not understand. They see it as status, procreation, as fertility; they see it in the bases terms. And when we say, "sex is sacred to us with our soulmates don't debase it." They think we are prudes. But when we have sex, we feel our soul meld with another person of the opposite gender. We feel something outside of our body, for baseless sex is just five second thrill and they keep chasing that five seconds because that is the only time the cancer goes away. Where for us, it is a fun, joyful moment of intimacy where we are uplifted to greater awareness.

Don't think you can convince and Atheist, their problem is not their mind it is their body. Just know what you experience as normal is not what they experience as normal. And look at all their reactions after this.

Well there you go. You've solved it. Atheists lack the ability to feel the soul.

Ok, fine. What does this have to do with God?

 

[Deathbydefault]

I want to limit this discussion among Atheists and Abrahamic (Jews, Christians, Muslims, Mormons). But that is just a preference, anyone can reply.

Now, what if I told you the problem of Atheism wasn't a Problem of Evidence or Logic but was a problem of body? What do I mean by that? I tell you a truth, Atheists when confronted with ideas which contradict their world view feel as if they are becoming empty or being eaten away by a cancer. They literally have a physical reaction when confronted with ideas and because they do not have perspective, they think everyone's body is like theirs. It is not.

Let me describe to them what my body feels like and what the body of sincere theists feel like (insincere theists feel what Atheists feel as well, this is the opposite side of the same coin). I feel my soul all over my body with every breath, I am more than my soul as I feel it grow and contract. My soul is not in my brain or my heart, rather it is all over growing and contracting with every breath. When I do good, or meet someone who has taught me something, or when I learn and explore something...I feel this soul grow and become bigger and stronger. That is why I always say, which I feel in my heart, "I love you (spiritually," because you have helped me immensely with your sincerity.

So, when I read a Holy Book (The Bible, The Quran, the Book of Mormon, Sutras, Gitas) I literally feel this soul inside me leap up with joy; it's not an emotion, it is a physical feeling and that physical feeling makes me feel joy. Or when I meet a wise man, a musician, an artist, a writer or painter who is filled with the Holiness of exploration even if their ideas aren't my own this soul grows. In other words, a changing of ideas, especially new and novel ones is always a time of celebration.

Now, let us go back to the Atheist. They don't feel this. When confronted with an idea they literally feel anxious, and they feel they are becoming nothing, and they feel that a cancer has struck them and their body is being eaten away. The problem cannot be fixed, it is how they have been all their lives and that is all they know.

Then going further when they see a miracle they assume they have gone mad, they are crazy. Why? Because that body feels like they are being eaten away, so it is maddening. Hence, when they overreact to a thought, the rest of us with better bodies know is true, it is because they want to violently destroy that which gives them cancer. They literally feel they are dying, so in their logic what would be wrong with fighting back.

Then there is sex which they do not understand. They see it as status, procreation, as fertility; they see it in the bases terms. And when we say, "sex is sacred to us with our soulmates don't debase it." They think we are prudes. But when we have sex, we feel our soul meld with another person of the opposite gender. We feel something outside of our body, for baseless sex is just five second thrill and they keep chasing that five seconds because that is the only time the cancer goes away. Where for us, it is a fun, joyful moment of intimacy where we are uplifted to greater awareness.

Don't think you can convince and Atheist, their problem is not their mind it is their body. Just know what you experience as normal is not what they experience as normal. And look at all their reactions after this.

 

[Searching1981]

Well there you go. You've solved it. Atheists lack the ability to feel the soul.

Ok, fine. What does this have to do with God?

Very good point. I used to spread this idea on message boards. If Scientist concluded, "the Soul," is real...atheists would clammer on, "Yes, there is a soul but there is no God."

I just don't know how that is logical. It doesn't have to be because if you could feel your Soul the only thing you could conclude is God.

 

[Polymath257]

So, when I read a Holy Book (The Bible, The Quran, the Book of Mormon, Sutras, Gitas) I literally feel this soul inside me leap up with joy; it's not an emotion, it is a physical feeling and that physical feeling makes me feel joy. Or when I meet a wise man, a musician, an artist, a writer or painter who is filled with the Holiness of exploration even if their ideas aren't my own this soul grows. In other words, a changing of ideas, especially new and novel ones is always a time of celebration.

And I would say this *is* an emotion. Emotions have a component of physical feeling.

Now, let us go back to the Atheist. They don't feel this. When confronted with an idea they literally feel anxious, and they feel they are becoming nothing, and they feel that a cancer has struck them and their body is being eaten away. The problem cannot be fixed, it is how they have been all their lives and that is all they know.

I think this is not quite true, at least not how you have said it. Atheists don't get the emotional reaction to religious books that you do. But we can and do get a certain level of reaction just because these can be moving pieces of literature. The difference is that we dont' see this emotional reactions as showing the books are true. And truth is what atheists are suually more interested in than emotional reaction.

Then going further when they see a miracle they assume they have gone mad, they are crazy. Why? Because that body feels like they are being eaten away, so it is maddening.

No, that is not the reason. First, if we see something that goes against known physical laws, there are two options: either we have discovered a flaw in the known laws, or we are delusional. We see the second as MUCH more likely than the first. And we see that because many people over long periods of time have tested those laws.

Hence, when they overreact to a thought, the rest of us with better bodies know is true, it is because they want to violently destroy that which gives them cancer. They literally feel they are dying, so in their logic what would be wrong with fighting back.

Nope. It is nothing like that. It is just that we are concerned about truth and not about emotional reactions, which we *know* are a flawed source of beliefs. The thoughts don't erode us. They are just not relevant for what we are concerned about: truth.

Then there is sex which they do not understand. They see it as status, procreation, as fertility; they see it in the bases terms. And when we say, "sex is sacred to us with our soulmates don't debase it." They think we are prudes. But when we have sex, we feel our soul meld with another person of the opposite gender. We feel something outside of our body, for baseless sex is just five second thrill and they keep chasing that five seconds because that is the only time the cancer goes away. Where for us, it is a fun, joyful moment of intimacy where we are uplifted to greater awareness.

Guess what? Sex for atheists also creates this wonderful feeling of connection to another person. And no, it *isn't* just status, procreation, and fertility. It is about *connection* to another human being. But there are many ways to have connection and it *is* prudery to say it has to conform to *your* particular ways of relating to others. You do NOT feel something outside of your bodies. You are feeling how your bodies feel when there is a developing emotional connection (or a continuing one). And no, it *isn't* just a 5-second thrill for atheists. We value connection to others, you see.

And why should such a connection be limited to those with different genitals? Some people form such connections with people of the same sex. What's it to you? Why does *there* connection have anything at all to do with *your* connection?

Don't think you can convince and Atheist, their problem is not their mind it is their body. Just know what you experience as normal is not what they experience as normal. And look at all their reactions after this.

Atheists experience the same range of emotions that you do. Our bodies are the same as yours. We just don't claim that what makes us feel good is necessarily true. We are more cautious and skeptical than that.

 

[shunyadragon]

I want to limit this discussion among Atheists and Abrahamic (Jews, Christians, Muslims, Mormons). But that is just a preference, anyone can reply.

Now, what if I told you the problem of Atheism wasn't a Problem of Evidence or Logic but was a problem of body? What do I mean by that? I tell you a truth, Atheists when confronted with ideas which contradict their world view feel as if they are becoming empty or being eaten away by a cancer. They literally have a physical reaction when confronted with ideas and because they do not have perspective, they think everyone's body is like theirs. It is not.

Let me describe to them what my body feels like and what the body of sincere theists feel like (insincere theists feel what Atheists feel as well, this is the opposite side of the same coin). I feel my soul all over my body with every breath, I am more than my soul as I feel it grow and contract. My soul is not in my brain or my heart, rather it is all over growing and contracting with every breath. When I do good, or meet someone who has taught me something, or when I learn and explore something...I feel this soul grow and become bigger and stronger. That is why I always say, which I feel in my heart, "I love you (spiritually," because you have helped me immensely with your sincerity.

So, when I read a Holy Book (The Bible, The Quran, the Book of Mormon, Sutras, Gitas) I literally feel this soul inside me leap up with joy; it's not an emotion, it is a physical feeling and that physical feeling makes me feel joy. Or when I meet a wise man, a musician, an artist, a writer or painter who is filled with the Holiness of exploration even if their ideas aren't my own this soul grows. In other words, a changing of ideas, especially new and novel ones is always a time of celebration.

Now, let us go back to the Atheist. They don't feel this. When confronted with an idea they literally feel anxious, and they feel they are becoming nothing, and they feel that a cancer has struck them and their body is being eaten away. The problem cannot be fixed, it is how they have been all their lives and that is all they know.

Then going further when they see a miracle they assume they have gone mad, they are crazy. Why? Because that body feels like they are being eaten away, so it is maddening. Hence, when they overreact to a thought, the rest of us with better bodies know is true, it is because they want to violently destroy that which gives them cancer. They literally feel they are dying, so in their logic what would be wrong with fighting back.

Then there is sex which they do not understand. They see it as status, procreation, as fertility; they see it in the bases terms. And when we say, "sex is sacred to us with our soulmates don't debase it." They think we are prudes. But when we have sex, we feel our soul meld with another person of the opposite gender. We feel something outside of our body, for baseless sex is just five second thrill and they keep chasing that five seconds because that is the only time the cancer goes away. Where for us, it is a fun, joyful moment of intimacy where we are uplifted to greater awareness.

Don't think you can convince and Atheist, their problem is not their mind it is their body. Just know what you experience as normal is not what they experience as normal. And look at all their reactions after this.

Bizarre to the extreme!

Do you really believe you know how atheists feel in any given situation involving religion or miracles.

I am a Baha'i the other Abrahamic religion.

 

[Searching1981]

And I would say this *is* an emotion. Emotions have a component of physical feeling.

Proving my point, when you read you feel. When I read I think and that thinking grows something like a plant in me that I feel like a stone not like an anxiety. But as you said, you do not feel it.

I think this is not quite true, at least not how you have said it. Atheists don't get the emotional reaction to religious books that you do. But we can and do get a certain level of reaction just because these can be moving pieces of literature. The difference is that we dont' see this emotional reactions as showing the books are true. And truth is what atheists are suually more interested in than emotional reaction.

Then you come back and argue, because I don't experience it you don't experience it and the only thing I can liken it too is reading drama, which I still don't find true. Again, your argument is a straw man because it's not an emotion. If you felt it you would know what it is.

No, that is not the reason. First, if we see something that goes against known physical laws, there are two options: either we have discovered a flaw in the known laws, or we are delusional. We see the second as MUCH more likely than the first. And we see that because many people over long periods of time have tested those laws.

What you are saying is the idea of it makes you feel crazy, so it can't be you that are crazy it must be that are crazy. Take note people reading this, the feeling of cancer is growing in him. Let's see where this goes next.

Nope. It is nothing like that. It is just that we are concerned about truth and not about emotional reactions, which we *know* are a flawed source of beliefs. The thoughts don't erode us. They are just not relevant for what we are concerned about: truth.

Again, a straw man the fact you liken it to an emotion, something I'm sure you work on repressing, just shows all thought for you is emotive but, but, but you fight it. For me thinking is not feeling and feeling is not thinking and this has nothing to with emotions. Oh, that cancer is growing bigger...he must fight it.

Guess what? Sex for atheists also creates this wonderful feeling of connection to another person. And no, it *isn't* just status, procreation, and fertility. It is about *connection* to another human being. But there are many ways to have connection and it *is* prudery to say it has to conform to *your* particular ways of relating to others. You do NOT feel something outside of your bodies. You are feeling how your bodies feel when there is a developing emotional connection (or a continuing one). And no, it *isn't* just a 5-second thrill for atheists. We value connection to others, you see.

Oh, cancer fool blown...mention sex and that's it it's done.

And why should such a connection be limited to those with different genitals? Some people form such connections with people of the same sex. What's it to you? Why does *there* connection have anything at all to do with *your* connection?

Non-issue in this argument. But I will say if you've had loving sex it can only be done that way, there is magic when all the parts fit. But that is neither here nor there. Don't derail the conversation, I know it helps the Cancer.

Atheists experience the same range of emotions that you do. Our bodies are the same as yours. We just don't claim that what makes us feel good is necessarily true. We are more cautious and skeptical than that.

Again, straw man. I never once mentioned emotions in my post. That's the only thing you can liken it to you because for your repression the best way to repress emotions is to say they are inferior to intellect. I don't care either way because emotions have nothing to do with this.

 

[Searching1981]

Bizarre to the extreme!

Do you really believe you know how atheists feel in any given situation involving religion or miracles.

I am a Baha'i the other Abrahamic religion.

I apologize, sir, all Abrahamic welcome. I also include Rastafarians. I didn't list all Abrahamic just examples. H

The reason I am doing that is not to exclude, but the Darmic and Shamanic religions know this. I learned this from real life experiences with them. So, I'm only introducing it to Abrahamic. Yoga, Meditation, Chakra, Tantric, Dance, Movement are all getting to a point where you feel, literally feel the soul. It's not an emotion.

 

[Polymath257]

Proving my point, when you read you feel. When I read I think and that thinking grows something like a plant in me that I feel like a stone not like an anxiety. But as you said, you do not feel it.

When I read a book like the Bible, I recognize it as similar to every other book of myths. I see the parallels with the Iliad and with the myths from ancient Rome concerning their origins.

Then you come back and argue, because I don't experience it you don't experience it and the only thing I can liken it too is reading drama, which I still don't find true. Again, your argument is a straw man because it's not an emotion. If you felt it you would know what it is.

And we have to disagree. It *is* an emotion. It is an emotion that you revel in as opposed to thinking about and realizing its lack of truth.

What you are saying is the idea of it makes you feel crazy, so it can't be you that are crazy it must be that are crazy. Take note people reading this, the feeling of cancer is growing in him. Let's see where this goes next.

No cancer. And no craziness. Just the realization that you are so focused on your mythology that you don't listen to others who disagree with you.

Again, a straw man the fact you liken it to an emotion, something I'm sure you work on repressing, just shows all thought for you is emotive but, but, but you fight it. For me thinking is not feeling and feeling is not thinking and this has nothing to with emotions. Oh, that cancer is growing bigger...he must fight it.

And I would bet that it is *only* about the emotion: the way reading these books makes you feel about your place in the universe.

Oh, cancer fool blown...mention sex and that's it it's done.

Why? Because I happen to disagree with you?

Non-issue in this argument. But I will say if you've had loving sex it can only be done that way, there is magic when all the parts fit. But that is neither here nor there. Don't derail the conversation, I know it helps the Cancer.

And you would be wrong. Loving sex is as different as the different couples that enjoy it. For *you* it can only be one way. But others are not so limited.

Again, straw man. I never once mentioned emotions in my post. That's the only thing you can liken it to you because for your repression the best way to repress emotions is to say they are inferior to intellect. I don't care either way because emotions have nothing to do with this.

You were only mentioning your emotions. You didn't give a considered reason why you believe the way you do. Instead, you denigrate those who see the world differently.

 

[Nakosis]

Very good point. I used to spread this idea on message boards. If Scientist concluded, "the Soul," is real...atheists would clammer on, "Yes, there is a soul but there is no God."

I just don't know how that is logical. It doesn't have to be because if you could feel your Soul the only thing you could conclude is God.

I can usually create these feelings of oneness, of spiritual joy. I remember hearing that if you laugh out loud, it doesn't matter if are sad/depressed. Your body will physically react to the act of laughing and you will feel happy.

On A conscious level we are aware of maybe at best, 5% of whats going on in our brain. The other 95% is a mystery to our conscious self. If with my 5% of control on the brain I can create these feelings of joy, euphoria, oneness I think it kind of obvious the "subconscious" mind is capable of this without my conscious self willing it. There's also something called the God helmet that can induce the feeling of meeting God our at least experiencing a physical presence. Of course drugs can cause these feelings.

So this doesn't disprove God but shows me that a God isn't necessary to cause such feelings.

I feel all of the "spiritual" things you do. However I feel the subconscious mind is capable of creating these experiences. So I am a skeptic. I question the origin of these feelings. I don't see them, by themselves, being sufficient proof of a God.

 

[Searching1981]

Bizarre to the extreme!

Do you really believe you know how atheists feel in any given situation involving religion or miracles.

I am a Baha'i the other Abrahamic religion.

Just let me clarify further. I am not playing a game or making things up, I am sincere and authentic.

But, but, but the mistake many of the Abrahamic path make is they, especially Catholics like myself, feel thinking through Faith is the height of experiencing it. Mainline Protestants always make this mistake. So, the response from Atheists is to say, "we can out think anything." My response is to follow the Darmic paths who essentially argue, "clear you mind with logic so that you can finally know what is true." Thinking is a means and not a goal.

Let point to an oxymoron spread by Atheists, "Blind Faith." What does that mean? It describes them and only them and not anyone who knows Faith. For me, for me Faith is an energy not a feeling or emotion. I can tap into that energy and make things happen; it's as real to me as electricity. I need not see it when I can touch it.

But they do not have access to this energy. If I tell you the reason you are anxious, uptight, depressed, or feel the Cancer of emptiness is because your body either does not know how to tap into that energy or your body just can't they would not believe me. So, Blind Faith just describes there approach to life which it can be inferred is a state of darkness and disbelief because it cannot see the Faith.

 

[Searching1981]

Polymath257 Wrote

I recognize it as similar to every other book of myths. I see the parallels with the Iliad and with the myths from ancient Rome concerning their origins.


And we have to disagree. It *is* an emotion. It is an emotion that you revel in as opposed to thinking about and realizing its lack of truth.


That is your arrogance. You do not know what it is so you call it an emotion assuming that I cannot decipher an emotion. Where the assumption, because you are repressed, is that emotions are inferior to intellect so you get to maintain a sense of superiority even though you feel inferior to the experience.

There is more to reading what is written there is reading between the lines, which everyone can do with your responses.


No cancer. And no craziness. Just the realization that you are so focused on your mythology that you don't listen to others who disagree with you.


Oh, the restraint. What does it mean?



And I would bet that it is *only* about the emotion: the way reading these books makes you feel about your place in the universe.

What Universe? Only scientists project the universe upon us because it is empty like them.


Why? Because I happen to disagree with you?


And you would be wrong. Loving sex is as different as the different couples that enjoy it. For *you* it can only be one way. But others are not so limited.


Please don't derail the thread, I know it helps the cancer to go to a comfortable subject.

You were only mentioning your emotions. You didn't give a considered reason why you believe the way you do. Instead, you denigrate those who see the world differently.

More is revealed about you then me. So, you feel denigrated? That is the cancer eating at you, you now admit. Please witness everyone.

 

[sayak83]

I want to limit this discussion among Atheists and Abrahamic (Jews, Christians, Muslims, Mormons). But that is just a preference, anyone can reply.

Now, what if I told you the problem of Atheism wasn't a Problem of Evidence or Logic but was a problem of body? What do I mean by that? I tell you a truth, Atheists when confronted with ideas which contradict their world view feel as if they are becoming empty or being eaten away by a cancer. They literally have a physical reaction when confronted with ideas and because they do not have perspective, they think everyone's body is like theirs. It is not.

Let me describe to them what my body feels like and what the body of sincere theists feel like (insincere theists feel what Atheists feel as well, this is the opposite side of the same coin). I feel my soul all over my body with every breath, I am more than my soul as I feel it grow and contract. My soul is not in my brain or my heart, rather it is all over growing and contracting with every breath. When I do good, or meet someone who has taught me something, or when I learn and explore something...I feel this soul grow and become bigger and stronger. That is why I always say, which I feel in my heart, "I love you (spiritually," because you have helped me immensely with your sincerity.

So, when I read a Holy Book (The Bible, The Quran, the Book of Mormon, Sutras, Gitas) I literally feel this soul inside me leap up with joy; it's not an emotion, it is a physical feeling and that physical feeling makes me feel joy. Or when I meet a wise man, a musician, an artist, a writer or painter who is filled with the Holiness of exploration even if their ideas aren't my own this soul grows. In other words, a changing of ideas, especially new and novel ones is always a time of celebration.

Now, let us go back to the Atheist. They don't feel this. When confronted with an idea they literally feel anxious, and they feel they are becoming nothing, and they feel that a cancer has struck them and their body is being eaten away. The problem cannot be fixed, it is how they have been all their lives and that is all they know.

Then going further when they see a miracle they assume they have gone mad, they are crazy. Why? Because that body feels like they are being eaten away, so it is maddening. Hence, when they overreact to a thought, the rest of us with better bodies know is true, it is because they want to violently destroy that which gives them cancer. They literally feel they are dying, so in their logic what would be wrong with fighting back.

Then there is sex which they do not understand. They see it as status, procreation, as fertility; they see it in the bases terms. And when we say, "sex is sacred to us with our soulmates don't debase it." They think we are prudes. But when we have sex, we feel our soul meld with another person of the opposite gender. We feel something outside of our body, for baseless sex is just five second thrill and they keep chasing that five seconds because that is the only time the cancer goes away. Where for us, it is a fun, joyful moment of intimacy where we are uplifted to greater awareness.

Don't think you can convince and Atheist, their problem is not their mind it is their body. Just know what you experience as normal is not what they experience as normal. And look at all their reactions after this.

As a Hindu, I firmly and entirely reject everything that was said in the OP.
(Gita was mentioned, so I was forced to comment). Atheists can be perfectly emotionally, bodily and spiritually healthy individuals who simply have a different worldview due to their different experiences and mold of character. I have as many theist friends as atheists and there is nothing wrong with them. I firmly denounce all those religions that try to paint the human condition and specifically those who reject their faith as diseased or compromised. The problem lies with those who think this way, not the ones who are usually their scapegoats.

 

[Searching1981]

As a Hindu, I firmly and entirely reject everything that was said in the OP.
(Gita was mentioned, so I was forced to comment). Atheists can be perfectly emotionally, bodily and spiritually healthy individuals who simply have a different worldview due to their different experiences and mold of character. I have as many theist friends as atheists and there is nothing wrong with them. I firmly denounce all those religions that try to paint the human condition and specifically those who reject their faith as diseased or compromised. The problem lies with those who think this way, not the ones who are usually their scapegoats.

Hey, some of us fit in so well we don't care about fitting in anymore. Come on everyone knows your replies. I'm Hispanic and I don't want to be White.

 

[sayak83]

Hey, some of us fit in so well we don't care about fitting in anymore. Come on everyone knows your replies. I'm Hispanic and I don't want to be White.

What are you talking about?

 

[Polymath257]

What are you talking about?

I have wondered that myself.

 

[Polymath257]

Polymath257 Wrote

I recognize it as similar to every other book of myths. I see the parallels with the Iliad and with the myths from ancient Rome concerning their origins.


And we have to disagree. It *is* an emotion. It is an emotion that you revel in as opposed to thinking about and realizing its lack of truth.


That is your arrogance. You do not know what it is so you call it an emotion assuming that I cannot decipher an emotion. Where the assumption, because you are repressed, is that emotions are inferior to intellect so you get to maintain a sense of superiority even though you feel inferior to the experience.

There is more to reading what is written there is reading between the lines, which everyone can do with your responses.


No cancer. And no craziness. Just the realization that you are so focused on your mythology that you don't listen to others who disagree with you.


Oh, the restraint. What does it mean?



And I would bet that it is *only* about the emotion: the way reading these books makes you feel about your place in the universe.

What Universe? Only scientists project the universe upon us because it is empty like them.


Why? Because I happen to disagree with you?


And you would be wrong. Loving sex is as different as the different couples that enjoy it. For *you* it can only be one way. But others are not so limited.


Please don't derail the thread, I know it helps the cancer to go to a comfortable subject.

You were only mentioning your emotions. You didn't give a considered reason why you believe the way you do. Instead, you denigrate those who see the world differently.

More is revealed about you then me. So, you feel denigrated? That is the cancer eating at you, you now admit. Please witness everyone.

Yes, everyone can see who is being eaten up here. I didn't derail the thread. I responded to what *you* brought up. And you continue to claim your emotion is better than everyone else's intellect.

 

[YmirGF]

Bizarre to the extreme!

Do you really believe you know how atheists feel in any given situation involving religion or miracles.

I am a Baha'i the other Abrahamic religion.

It's a rare day that I am in full agreement with a member of the Bahai faith, but as a strong atheist, I couldn't agree more. My first reaction was "Holy confirmation bias, Batman!" I think, personally, that threads like this simply offer proof that religion can be, in some cases, toxic.

 

[Polymath257]

It's a rare day that I am in full agreement with a member of the Bahai faith, but as a strong atheist, I couldn't agree more. My first reaction was "Holy confirmation bias, Batman!" I think, personally, that threads like this simply offer proof that religion can be, in some cases, toxic.

it is also how *some* religions manage to de-humanize those that disagree: deny that they have ordinary human emotions and thoughts.