Disgruntled former SS teacher

[beerisit]

Jealousy is a human emotion if i am right God of the old-testament is more human then i found in other scriptures.

Nah he was the prototype of yours.

 

[MaterSammichMan]

Kathryn,
I never said it was against the Bible to divorce an unfaithful spouse, so I'm not sure where that came from.
As for your question, "What makes you think our marriage was "ordained by God" anyway?" You're right, I shouldn't have assumed that a religious figure performed your marriage. I was thinking of my own vows, "What GOD has joined together...".
As to what I meant by "kicking her to the curb", that's what you do with garbage; you get rid of it. Let someone else pick it up.

 

[MaterSammichMan]

so according to you thinking is a sin.

and since we are 100% inclined to think we 100% sinful.

The context it was written in was, "Dwelling on a sinful thought out of anger or jealousy". Please don't try and put a spin on my statements.

 

[MaterSammichMan]

this is circular logic


where did you get the idea of god's nature in the 1st place? the bible...
the bible is self fulfilling...

It's far from circular logic. Circular logic brings you back around to the same place, which my statement does not.
Where did I get the idea of God's nature?
1 John 4:8, "Whoever does not love does not know God, for GOD IS LOVE".
What part of that do you not understand?

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Welcome to RF!



I do not think that God is jealous. That is extremely juvenile, although the God portrayed in the Bible certainly comes across as juvenile...

Well, the God described in the Bhavagad Gita comes across as a horny adolescent with his dancing around with naked Gopi women.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

I always found his Old Testament penchant for mass murder and genocide a bit out of character, as well.

Have you even looked at the universe...destruction is part and parcel of it. And look at nature...mass murder and genocide occur daily. All that is a reflection of God. Mass murder is in character.

 

[Kathryn]

Kathryn,
I never said it was against the Bible to divorce an unfaithful spouse, so I'm not sure where that came from.
As for your question, "What makes you think our marriage was "ordained by God" anyway?" You're right, I shouldn't have assumed that a religious figure performed your marriage. I was thinking of my own vows, "What GOD has joined together...".
As to what I meant by "kicking her to the curb", that's what you do with garbage; you get rid of it. Let someone else pick it up.

Sorry, my bad - I misread your post.

As for my marriage - whether or not I was married by a religious person really has no bearing on whether or not GOD ordained the marriage. Even if I claim that God ordained it, I think that's a stretch.

But you are claiming that you hold no anger against your ex wife, and yet you call her garbage that you will let someone else pick up.

You sound very angry toward her.

 

[MaterSammichMan]

Nope, I'm not angry toward her at all. Heck, that was years ago. I did kick her to the curb back then, and yes, as I've made clear I was angry back then. As for calling her garbage, I have no problem with that, it's just calling a spade a spade. Its like calling an alcoholic an alcoholic. You can quit drinking, but you will always be an alcoholic.

 

[Kathryn]

OK. Well, I'm not angry either, and anger didn't consume me or cause me to sin - not that I know of anyway. I really wasn't even angry for that long, because frankly my marriage was pretty pathetic anyway, so I was glad for some closure and the opportunity to move forward - without him.

I honestly wish him the best and hope he succeeds in life, though so far I don't think he's accomplishing that.

 

[waitasec]

The context it was written in was, "Dwelling on a sinful thought out of anger or jealousy". Please don't try and put a spin on my statements.

no spin...didn't you say this too?

As I've illustrated, one need only "dwell" on a thought for milliseconds before sin can creep in.

how long does it take to think a thought before you call it "dwelling"?
how long does it take to think?

 

[waitasec]

It's far from circular logic. Circular logic brings you back around to the same place, which my statement does not.
Where did I get the idea of God's nature?
1 John 4:8, "Whoever does not love does not know God, for GOD IS LOVE".
What part of that do you not understand?

you said:

The scripture must align to the true nature of God,

doesn't the idea of gods nature come from scripture...? so then of course it's going to align itself with itself as brings itself back around to the same place...the bible.

 

[MaterSammichMan]

Not all beliefs in God come from the Bible though, do they?

 

[MaterSammichMan]

Waitasec, My beliefs as I have matured have become a blend of the Christian Bible, Native American, and Eastern beliefs. I don't see any one in particular as being "wholly true", but they all have many truths. As an "Irrelevantist" who obviously believes that all faiths are irrelevant, I have to wonder why you are trolling my posts. If you don't have a faith in something, you're just an annoying hindrance to those of us who are seriously seeking deeper truths. I truly appreciate the conversation with Kathryn because although we don't always see eye to eye, I seek the truth, and am not too arrogant or proud to accept when I am wrong. When neither of us agree, we can agree to disagree, but your input is just a waste of space. You believe in nothing, so you add nothing to the conversation. It's kind of like the annoying little twit in class that keeps interrupting the teacher while others are trying to learn. You think you're funny. I think you're ignorant.

 

[Koldo]

Not all beliefs in God come from the Bible though, do they?

But you just said the relevant one ( for this debate ) does come from the bible ( 1 John 4:8 ).

Waitasec, My beliefs as I have matured have become a blend of the Christian Bible, Native American, and Eastern beliefs. I don't see any one in particular as being "wholly true", but they all have many truths. As an "Irrelevantist" who obviously believes that all faiths are irrelevant, I have to wonder why you are trolling my posts. If you don't have a faith in something, you're just an annoying hindrance to those of us who are seriously seeking deeper truths. I truly appreciate the conversation with Kathryn because although we don't always see eye to eye, I seek the truth, and am not too arrogant or proud to accept when I am wrong. When neither of us agree, we can agree to disagree, but your input is just a waste of space. You believe in nothing, so you add nothing to the conversation. It's kind of like the annoying little twit in class that keeps interrupting the teacher while others are trying to learn. You think you're funny. I think you're ignorant.

Ad hominem.

 

[MaterSammichMan]

In every religion except perhaps Satanism, God is love. Its not restricted to Christianity/Judeism. I just gave an example.

 

[Heathen Hammer]

In every religion dealing with the God of Abraham, only; that's not true of all religions.

 

[beerisit]

In every religion except perhaps Satanism, God is love. Its not restricted to Christianity/Judeism. I just gave an example.

Well it's a good thing it's not restricted to the Christian bible then, cos it's stories absolutely refute the suggestion. The god of Adam is not LOVE.:sorry1:

 

[waitasec]

Not all beliefs in God come from the Bible though, do they?

that isn't what i was commenting on



you said

The scripture must align to the true nature of God,

 

[waitasec]

Waitasec, My beliefs as I have matured have become a blend of the Christian Bible, Native American, and Eastern beliefs. I don't see any one in particular as being "wholly true", but they all have many truths. As an "Irrelevantist" who obviously believes that all faiths are irrelevant, I have to wonder why you are trolling my posts. If you don't have a faith in something, you're just an annoying hindrance to those of us who are seriously seeking deeper truths. I truly appreciate the conversation with Kathryn because although we don't always see eye to eye, I seek the truth, and am not too arrogant or proud to accept when I am wrong. When neither of us agree, we can agree to disagree, but your input is just a waste of space. You believe in nothing, so you add nothing to the conversation. It's kind of like the annoying little twit in class that keeps interrupting the teacher while others are trying to learn. You think you're funny. I think you're ignorant.

i'm not trolling your posts. we are in the debating section. if you get offended when someone questions your beliefs then i suggest you stay in the DIR section.

 

[waitasec]

In every religion except perhaps Satanism, God is love. Its not restricted to Christianity/Judeism. I just gave an example.

i think you maybe wrong there.

however,

people are capable of loving. it doesn't come from god.
people are capable of hating. it doesn't come from god.

people are capable of justifying either as justification comes from god