Desert Snake
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Wrong, I don't subscribe to your theology, you need to except that.
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Divine Omnipresence
- Thread starter Ben Dhyan
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Wrong, I don't subscribe to your theology, you need to except that.
zenzero
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Friend disciple,
The word 'Others' here has no connection with your post but since friend ben and myself have been very long at RF we understand each others language which others do not but since we know and understand this we try to find new ways to clarify our points till such times we can make them understand our point and since we are committed and confident of reaching our objective have mentioned that others will too in time.
Theology? what is that; have no idea, never attended theology classes have heard for 'seminarians', its compulsory.
Expectations- no idea what that is, never can afford such luxuries.
Love & rgds
See, again you misunderstand.
The word 'Others' here has no connection with your post but since friend ben and myself have been very long at RF we understand each others language which others do not but since we know and understand this we try to find new ways to clarify our points till such times we can make them understand our point and since we are committed and confident of reaching our objective have mentioned that others will too in time.
Theology? what is that; have no idea, never attended theology classes have heard for 'seminarians', its compulsory.
Expectations- no idea what that is, never can afford such luxuries.
Love & rgds
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
Well let's explore this...sfaic the Abrahamic religion accepts that God is omnipresent...yes?
Now my understanding of the reality represented by the concept 'omnipresence' is that it is everywhere....there is no where where it is not...it is ubiquitous throughout all existence. Hence it is in you and it is everywhere where you are not.
So does that sound correct and consistent with your understanding of the reality of God?
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
You're getting terms jumbled up, I think..You're describing pantheism, show me the Bible verses which support that viewpoint.
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
So if I understand you correctly...you do not believe that God is omnipresent?
Proverbs 15:3 The eyes of the Lord are in every place, keeping watch on the evil and the good.
Psalm 139:7-10 Where shall I go from your Spirit? Or where shall I flee from your presence? If I ascend to heaven, you are there! If I make my bed in Sheol, you are there! If I take the wings of the morning and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea, even there your hand shall lead me, and your right hand shall hold me.
Colossians 1:17 - And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Job 11:7-9 Can you find out the deep things of God? Can you find out the limit of the Almighty? It is higher than heavenwhat can you do? Deeper than Sheolwhat can you know? Its measure is longer than the earth and broader than the sea.
Jeremiah 23:24 - Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD.
Acts 17:27, 28 -that they would seek God, if perhaps they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; for in God we live and move and exist.
1 Corinthians 3:16 Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?
John 1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
Hallelujah zenzero....disciple must be away for the weekend...God bless..
Isn't this just a little bit gullible?
Ben Dhyan
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Please clarify..are you questioning the omnipresence of the zpe, etc., or the implication that this omnipresent zpe is the source of cosmic proto consciousness as Penrose and Hammeroff are saying?
Desert Snake
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I don't know what the acronym "zpe" stands for, and I was with you until you brought science in to it. But the idea that authority is found in a source that is "a literal scientific fact that we live in an interpenetrating cosmic field that is universally omnipresent" is not an omnipresence that I care to submit to.
But that's just IMO.
Ben Dhyan
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Again, terms jumbled. You need to research these terms before using them.
Oh I understand the terms alright....but you did not answer my question....do you or don't you believe in the omnipresence of God?
Desert Snake
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Dude..Your OP is referring to pantheism. I already said I don't subscribe to pantheism.
Ben Dhyan
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The zpe or zero point energy is what fills the quantum vacuum, which is not a vacuum at all but filled with energy comprised of wavelengths way smaller than the intra-atomic space and inter-atomic space and thus is omnipresent throughout the cosmos. It is the dark energy of astronomy that is also considered to be omnipresent...same for the Higg's field...all omnipresent.
Since the zero point energy is interpenetrating all the atoms of the cosmos...we can agree that it is a scientific fact that we live in a interpenetrating cosmic field...yes? There is nothing you can do about it so it matters not what you care....just accept it as a fact that you are subject to this cosmic background.
It also is clear to me that the concept of spirit represents this same reality as the zpe, dark energy...and aether...etc..
Did you watch the video of Stuart Hammeroff and Sir Roger Penrose?
Good for it! I don't know what a vacuum that's not a vacuum is, but I'll not take your word for it.
All this seems unnecessary to an understanding of omnipresent god.
Ben Dhyan
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Yeh fine...you posted the other while I was responding to your earlier post...
So let me get this right...all scientists who can attest to the omnipresence of dark energy, zpe, Higg's field, etc., are pantheists?
And all theological doctrines of that ascribe omnipresence to the spirit of God are pantheistic?
Desert Snake
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I have no idea, how do I even know you're presenting the OP correctly?
Ben Dhyan
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Ahhh...but you are a pantheist and already understand this...disciple on the other holds, if I understand his position correctly, that pantheists are mistaken because there is no cosmic omnipresence.
Desert Snake
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No, you're jumbling terms.....lol why are you jumbling terms??
If it's pantheism, just say pantheism.
Ben Dhyan
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Ask me anything you want that may help you understand if what I have presented in the OP is correct or not?
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Dude, you don't even understand how you're mixing up terms, but you expect me to just accept other explanations?