Divorce?

[angellous_evangellous]

No more discussion? I was just getting warmed up!

Sheesh

 

[Archer]

Charity you are correct in that much (at least from my perspective), Paul did pretty much lay out that marriage is equal man and woman as far as, I will say nothing here is the scripture: 12To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her. 13And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him. 14For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy.

And

1Now for the matters you wrote about: It is good for a man not to marry.[a] 2But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband. 3The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4The wife's body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. In the same way, the husband's body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife. 5Do not deprive each other except by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. 6I say this as a concession, not as a command. 7I wish that all men were as I am. But each man has his own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that.

Now as to marital duties that is another ball game that would be a great thread. I will say this a Christian man need be willing to lay down his life for his wife. You never hear that said by the guys saying the woman need obey do you?

I think (personal perspective), this: 1 Cor 7:15 But if the unbeliever leaves, let him do so. A believing man or woman is not bound in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace. 16How do you know, wife, whether you will save your husband? Or, how do you know, husband, whether you will save your wife?

Above may address the question as one who believes and follows would not seek divorce.

No more discussion? I was just getting warmed up!

Sheesh

I did, I was waiting for views on the scripture I quoted.

Basically is this justification for divorce? If the opposing party, the one looking for the divorce or putting excessive strain on the marriage causing one to fear and seek protection through divorce, will not follow the scriptures would not this: "1 Cor 7:15 But if the unbeliever leaves, let him do so. A believing man or woman is not bound in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace. 16How do you know, wife, whether you will save your husband? Or, how do you know, husband, whether you will save your wife?" cover that? As I see an abuser has left the marriage just need to file papers.

That is where the: So in essence God never said be stupid. comment came from.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I did, I was waiting for views on the scripture I quoted.

Basically is this justification for divorce? If the opposing party, the one looking for the divorce or putting excessive strain on the marriage causing one to fear and seek protection through divorce, will not follow the scriptures would not this: "1 Cor 7:15 But if the unbeliever leaves, let him do so. A believing man or woman is not bound in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace. 16How do you know, wife, whether you will save your husband? Or, how do you know, husband, whether you will save your wife?" cover that? As I see an abuser has left the marriage just need to file papers.

That is where the: So in essence God never said be stupid. comment came from.

I think that the teachings of Paul and Jesus on marriage are completely different.

Paul is just saying this: don't worry about it if your spouce divorces you because of your Christianity, it's not a sin. Otherwise, stay with them because they might convert because of your witness.

Paul's teaching has nothing to do with abuse at all - he's addressing husbands and wives with respect to their beliefs.

It's important to remember that neither Paul nor Jesus give a comprehensive rulebook for marriage.

 

[Archer]

I think that the teachings of Paul and Jesus on marriage are completely different.

Paul is just saying this: don't worry about it if your spouce divorces you because of your Christianity, it's not a sin. Otherwise, stay with them because they might convert because of your witness.

Paul's teaching has nothing to do with abuse at all - he's addressing husbands and wives with respect to their beliefs.

It's important to remember that neither Paul nor Jesus give a comprehensive rulebook for marriage.

I understand that and do not disagree. So, are you saying there is no justification for divorce according to scripture other than the two that are mentioned? That is the way I read it. I am seeking clarification.

With so many getting divorced these days, for any reason, and then coming to church with 4 kids from 3 marriages it gets harder and harder to address issues with children. How do you explain without hardening their hearts to those people.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I understand that and do not disagree. So, are you saying there is no justification for divorce according to scripture other than the two that are mentioned? That is the way I read it. I am seeking clarification.

With so many getting divorced these days, for any reason, and then coming to church with 4 kids from 3 marriages it gets harder and harder to address issues with children. How do you explain without hardening their hearts to those people.

I would say that there is no biblical justification for divorce other than adultery, BUT that doesn't mean that God doesn't punish those who get divorced for other important reasons such as abuse, neglect, and abandonment, and that God doesn't bless second or even third marriages.

AND it doesn't mean that everyone who is in a second marriage needs to be uncomfortable thinking that they are an adulterer or their wife is an adulteress - we shouldn't punish ourselves for not being able to live up to an unattainable ideal - we should live a redeemed life, loving God and others.

 

[Archer]

So I guess I will just keep telling my daughter and we all have our faults.

Thanks for the responses. I guess I did not miss anything.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

So I guess I will just keep telling my daughter and we all have our faults.

Thanks for the responses. I guess I did not miss anything.

I would tell her that only Jesus can have a perfect marriage and sometimes things just fall apart, and we need to rebuild with the help of someone else.

 

[Archer]

I would tell her that only Jesus can have a perfect marriage and sometimes things just fall apart, and we need to rebuild with the help of someone else.

Very true and to add to that having Jesus in the heart of the marriage is a way of strengthening it beyond belief.

 

[DallasApple]

If i want to get a divorce I don't need anyone else to justify it.

I get sick and tired of people saying "God never said you should be happy".

"Marriage isnt about happiness".

Then what is marriage?

HEY why dont we tell the young ones all through their growing up lives..."one day you will get married and be miserable for 50 or 60 years".And your only way out is if one or the other screws someone else.Then you will still burn in hell.And the only reason to get married in the first place is to not committ fornication. :help:

Love

Dallas

 

[Charity]

If i want to get a divorce I don't need anyone else to justify it.

I get sick and tired of people saying "God never said you should be happy".

"Marriage isnt about happiness".

Then what is marriage?

HEY why dont we tell the young ones all through their growing up lives..."one day you will get married and be miserable for 50 or 60 years".And your only way out is if one or the other screws someone else.Then you will still burn in hell.And the only reason to get married in the first place is to not committ fornication. :help:

Love

Dallas

Amen to that, you preach it sister Lana......

 

[blackout]

Amen to that, you preach it sister Lana......

I know! She's so funny isn't she?

No one could have said that better. lol

 

[Charity]

I know! She's so funny isn't she?

No one could have said that better. lol

Hey UV, would you happen to have any strawberry Jello? I forgot to get my supply.

 

[blackout]

I just noticed the christian directory.

sorry. :sorry1:

 

[blackout]

Hey UV, would you happen to have any strawberry Jello? I forgot to get my supply.

You and I shall have to talk jello in the back room.
Where we're not in the way.:flirt:

 

[DallasApple]

Hey UV, would you happen to have any strawberry Jello? I forgot to get my supply.

What is jello without tight jeans?

Jello without tigth jeans..LOL!!!

Love

Dallas

 

[Dunemeister]

How, without going against scripture, can one sever the covenant made before God?

You can't. If you divorce and remarry, you are committing adultery. So if you've made a bad marriage, your only option is chaste singlehood, which may last your whole life if the marriage is irreperable.

 

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[DallasApple]

You can't. If you divorce and remarry, you are committing adultery. So if you've made a bad marriage, your only option is chaste singlehood, which may last your whole life if the marriage is irreperable.

What if you havent "made a bad marriage".What if your spouse divorces you ?

And besides that what is a "bad marriage"?

I will never look at someone who is divorced and married again to someone else as an "adulterer" just on those facts alone.

Love

Dallas

 

[DallasApple]

Oh and to top that off..the whole reaosn "according to Paul" to even marry in the fisrt place is because your groin is aching.

Love is an after thought.Its about yearining burning groins of probably 15 year olds or 20 year olds max.

The whole reason in the first place to even get married is to have sex without having to go to hell.

Love

Dallas

 

[Dunemeister]

What if you havent "made a bad marriage".What if your spouse divorces you ?

Remain faithful to your spouse. Stay single.

And besides that what is a "bad marriage"?

Let's let those contemplating divorce decide.

I will never look at someone who is divorced and married again to someone else as an "adulterer" just on those facts alone.

Strokes and folks, I guess. But to that extent, you don't share Jesus' perspective on the matter (something you may or may not care about). What doesn't follow is that, from this perspective, you should shame or berate the divorcee.