Do All People Have at least some Measure of Worth or Value?

[Twilight Hue]

What is the source of that value?

I think people are valued based on their actions, whether it be regarded as good or evil.

Something along the lines that even the darkest clouds have silver linings.

 

[osgart]

Until they forfeit their worth with unjust motives all humans have potential worth.

Worth of humanity rests solely in the nature of their intentions. A healthy love of justice is where worth exists. Justice is the true essence of what is deserving according to motives. That's what propagates love and trust.

 

[bobhikes]

In your opinion, do all people have at least some basic measure of worth or value?

If not, is it permissible to kill without further justification those people who do not have at least a basic measure of worth or value? Why or why not?

If you believe all people have at least some basic measure of worth or value, why do you believe that?

All people have equal worth or value, just differing levels in the specifics

It is never moral to kill any life. All killing requires justification.

I believe everything thing that exists has some measure of worth or value because it does or it wouldn't exist.

 

[Thief]

In your opinion, do all people have at least some basic measure of worth or value?

If not, is it permissible to kill without further justification those people who do not have at least a basic measure of worth or value? Why or why not?

If you believe all people have at least some basic measure of worth or value, why do you believe that?

and the Declaration reports that all men are created equal

the founding fathers wrote that line to ensure .....no king....no inherited authority

but I say.....nay
to the expended notion that all men are equal

you should see the grade school mentality I have to work with

 

[BSM1]

Do you think there are any negative consequences to you that come about as a consequence of believing some people do not have even a basic measure of worth or value?

Why would there be? When people consistently prove their worthlessness by hurting others what's left to discern? There are 7 billions of us on this dirt ball, there are those that are not needed nor should be lamented when they're gone.

 

[BSM1]

Or, just possibly -- and I put this up only for consideration -- we might have been better off had the parents and guardians that produced and raised those individuals been stopped before doing any damage.

Is it your opinion that people are either simply good or bad at birth (by nature) -- or is there some possibility that nurture has at least a little bit to do with it?

Maybe, but my point wasn't whether a child is evil at birth, but in retrospect it would have been better if the child that grows in an evil adult had never been born at all.

 

[BSM1]

I think people are valued based on their actions, whether it be regarded as good or evil.

Something along the lines that even the darkest clouds have silver linings.

So you think that some psychopathic serial killer or rapist may become good if given another chance?

 

[InChrist]

Do you believe thinking of someone as "more like the image of the devil" might have negative consequences for you and/or others around you?

Probably, might have negative consequences, so I normally don't think of someone as having an image more like the devil. I just try to love and accept all people as valuable and trust God alone to judge a person's motives. Nevertheless, I admit there are instances that I do think certain individuals show forth behavior which indicates what I would consider demonic, such as ...Hitler, Charles Manson, pedophiles, sex traffickers, and the like. Discernment is important, as Jesus said we know who follows God by their good fruit (or actions), so I think the actions of those who abuse and harm others is is very telling.

 

[InChrist]

Happy birthday, by the way.

Thank you.

 

[taykair]

If I do not see the worth or value of others, it may be because there is none there to see. It may also be that I am either incapable or unwilling to see it. If either is true, should I expect others to see my value or worth?

 

[Sunstone]

If I do not see the worth or value of others, it may be because there is none there to see. It may also be that I am either incapable or unwilling to see it. If either is true, should I expect others to see my value or worth?

If you do not see the worth or value of others, does that have any negative consequences for you?

 

[Sunstone]

Why would there be? When people consistently prove their worthlessness by hurting others what's left to discern? There are 7 billions of us on this dirt ball, there are those that are not needed nor should be lamented when they're gone.

It seems to me to be an assumption of many a criminal that at least some people are worthless. That's what Manson thought. That's what Hitler thought. How do you distinguish your view from theirs?

 

[taykair]

If you do not see the worth or value of others, does that have any negative consequences for you?

I believe that it does. Such a view would tend to make me less sympathetic and less understanding of them, and I think that would make me less "human", if you understand what I mean.

 

[taykair]

If I do not see the worth or value of others, it may be because there is none there to see. It may also be that I am either incapable or unwilling to see it. If either is true, should I expect others to see my value or worth?

By the way, I should say that I personally do not believe that any human being is totally without value, although there have been those whose worth has been difficult for me to discern. That, however, is my fault, not theirs.

 

[Sunstone]

I believe that it does. Such a view would tend to make me less sympathetic and less understanding of them, and I think that would make me less "human", if you understand what I mean.

I agree.

 

[BSM1]

It seems to me to be an assumption of many a criminal that at least some people are worthless. That's what Manson thought. That's what Hitler thought. How do you distinguish your view from theirs?

The difference is that the criminal assumes the worthlessness of people, I don't; you have to prove your worthlessness to me. Worth, to me, is relative. For example, a pediatrician has worth, but if that pediatrician starts sexually molesting his young patients then he becomes worthless (i.e., having no value) no matter how good a doctor he was.

Let me clarify something that seems to be a sticking point in this discussion, I do not seek, nor do I need, the validation and/or approval of others when it comes to my existence. It seems that some folks worry about how they are going to appear to others. Sometimes you simply have to take a stand and let the chips fall where they may (even Jesus knew he couldn't save the entire world).

 

[Mock Turtle]

In your opinion, do all people have at least some basic measure of worth or value?

If not, is it permissible to kill without further justification those people who do not have at least a basic measure of worth or value? Why or why not?

If you believe all people have at least some basic measure of worth or value, why do you believe that?

A starting value at least, such that one should respect another as one would expect to be treated. Their subsequent actions then tend to determine how that respect is upgraded or downgraded. But we all have some measure of worth or value, if not for us then to others usually.

The second question hence is not really on the cards. Who am I to judge others? The railway switch test of morality has always bothered me - saving numbers over deliberately killing one. (If I did this, I would wreck the points just as the train was going over them and thus save both parties by derailing the train at the junction, lol)

The last point - we don't get to choose to be born, or that with which we are born, disregarding our environment and subsequent upbringing, so why would I judge others so carelessly. I do believe worth is inherent in the larger majority unless there are particular circumstances to say otherwise.

I couldn't really say whether it would be right to kill Hitler for example as there really are just too many individuals all throughout history where much the same could be proposed for lessening the harm they cause.

 

[BilliardsBall]

In your opinion, do all people have at least some basic measure of worth or value?

If not, is it permissible to kill without further justification those people who do not have at least a basic measure of worth or value? Why or why not?

If you believe all people have at least some basic measure of worth or value, why do you believe that?

I believe all persons have worth unto redemption from the Christ. I believe that the fetus has personhood and should not be extinguished. Abortion should not be the only right we have where the pursuit of happiness is achieved by killing another human, legally.

 

[Thief]

It seems to me to be an assumption of many a criminal that at least some people are worthless. That's what Manson thought. That's what Hitler thought. How do you distinguish your view from theirs?

well played....but.....
you know a tree by the fruit it bears

 

[Sunstone]

well played....but.....
you know a tree by the fruit it bears

You don't think one's beliefs have any relationship to one's actions then?