Precisely.
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Do Atheists believe in free-will?
- Thread starter SPLogan
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But that's exactly why there is free will. Not all the conditions are knowable, and illusions exist.
I beg your pardon? How does the existence of free will follow from that?
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
You try to take into consideration all factors before you act, scenerio one might happen so I do this, scenerio two might not happen, so I do this, scenerio three .. and so on. Is your action out of free-will? It is very much conditional. That is what I said, free-will is an illusion.
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BucephalusBB
ABACABB
Do they need to be knowable to be?
EDIT: Am I the only one thinking of free willy every time I see this thread?
Mr. Hair
Renegade Cavalcade
lamplighter
Almighty Tallest
Alright if free will isn't possible, then what about instances like game shows where the person is blindly choosing a door (like Door A, Door B and Door C) for a prize or MXC where they have to go through a paper door that is either an exit or a wall. Isn't their choice in a situation such as these not an example of free will?
Also......
Also......
BucephalusBB
ABACABB
Not at all. Do you think a computer can be programmed in such a way that it choses a door? And if you look at the statistics, I bet you will find that not every door has the same tries.
On the moment of choosing, there are many variables that could change his mind. Theway the doors look, the door the host looks most at, the letter or number the person countered the most in his life, or even his favourite number.
At one moment, you'll start thinking about what door they would have hidden it. The last 3 times you saw the show it was hidden behind door C, so this time it's probably not behind door C. Door A seems obvious as that is the opposite side, so they probably left it at door B. So you start walking towards door B. But than the crowd goes boo-ing. They think you better try A. You saw the crowd failing many times on the show, so eventually you choose door B.... Darn, they made it C again...
All of this sound like free will, while in real life, you would have always choosen B..
They need to be unknowable for free will to be.
BucephalusBB
ABACABB
So if all conditions are knowable and a situation in where 50-50 (%) happens can no longer be determined by free will?
If that (impossible) condition were ever to occur, that would allow for all conditions to be knowable, then the illusion of free will could no longer work on us.
Doodlebug02
Active Member
I am an Atheist and I most certainly do believe in free will. I don't see how you can believe in anything but free will. I mean, we're not robots.
want to be hindu
Member
EINSTEIN said this about free will
"I do not believe in free will. Schopenhauer's words: 'Man can do what he wants, but he cannot will what he wills,' accompany me in all situations throughout my life and reconcile me with the actions of others, even if they are rather painful to me. This awareness of the lack of free will keeps me from taking myself and my fellow men too seriously as acting and deciding individuals, and from losing my temper."
"I do not believe in free will. Schopenhauer's words: 'Man can do what he wants, but he cannot will what he wills,' accompany me in all situations throughout my life and reconcile me with the actions of others, even if they are rather painful to me. This awareness of the lack of free will keeps me from taking myself and my fellow men too seriously as acting and deciding individuals, and from losing my temper."
Don Penguinoini
Modi.
Free will is not exclusive to theists.
daphnestory
Daphne R
Yes, because without a god or anything controlling people like they're robots, all people have free will.
genypher
Member
there is no "atheist" position, as has been previously stated.
I have a lot of trouble with free will. I guess I believe in limited will. I think that our choices are so very determined by our experiences, culture and genetics that it is hard to pin point what one is doing completely of their own volition vs. what they are programmed to do by one or more of those three elements.
I have a lot of trouble with free will. I guess I believe in limited will. I think that our choices are so very determined by our experiences, culture and genetics that it is hard to pin point what one is doing completely of their own volition vs. what they are programmed to do by one or more of those three elements.
There is something classic here ...
