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Do atheist's believe in psychic abilities?

Jeremy Mason

Well-Known Member
Other qualities such as?

Concentration via meditation. Edgar Casey used self-induced hypnosis and could diagnose illnesses by just knowing where the person was at the time of his read.

I mean, how beautiful would it be to realize that the average human brain is capable of such things?

Yes it would indeed. :yes:
and Edgar Casey and Jesus said we all have these abilities, we just need to first believe we can (faith) and also apply meditation and/or prayer to manifest these qualities. Remember, we only use less than 10% of our brains potential.
 

Comicaze247

See the previous line
Concentration via meditation. Edgar Casey used self-induced hypnosis and could diagnose illnesses by just knowing where the person was at the time of his read.
Yeah, I've heard of Edgar Casey. Isn't he the one who produced the list of names of all the Popes?

And meditation is just a way to concentrate and focus on reaching that part of the brain. Psychic abilities being biological wouldn't be undermining that at all.

Yes it would indeed. :yes:
and Edgar Casey and Jesus said we all have these abilities, we just need to first believe we can (faith) and also apply meditation and/or prayer to manifest these qualities. Remember, we only use less than 10% of our brains potential.
Exactly! That's what I mean about it being biological. We have this potential, it is in our brains already. We just have to learn how to access it, much like how we have to learn how to access our motor skill sections and language sections of the brain.
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
I believe in Santa Claus does that count.

I tell my kids all the time that santa is a spirt that inspires others during the Holiday season. Is that like physic.
 

rojse

RF Addict
Just something that I've wondered.

Actually, I think there is something there that should be investigated, but I don't think it can provide repeatable, predictable and demonstratable results.

Most claims about this don't really earn my attention, but when institutions like Sony (the same company that makes game consoles and electronic equipment) announces after seven years research in their ESPER (Extra Sensory Perception Excitation Research) that the phenomena actually exists, but can not be used in a commerically viable manner, I do sit up and take notice.

It's hard to find a credible information source about this one, but this was the best that I could do: http://www.mindreader.com/articles/Fate0196.doc. Fortunately, it does reference several more credible newspapers in it's article.
 

Jeremy Mason

Well-Known Member
Yeah, I've heard of Edgar Casey. Isn't he the one who produced the list of names of all the Popes?

Yes
YouTube - edgar casey -1/5

And meditation is just a way to concentrate and focus on reaching that part of the brain. Psychic abilities being biological wouldn't be undermining that at all.

No, but to say it's " purely biological " is absolutely wrong. One must direct the thought process no matter how easy it might be for each individual.
 

Jeremy Mason

Well-Known Member
Actually, I think there is something there that should be investigated, but I don't think it can provide repeatable, predictable and demonstratable results.

Ever heard of Edgar Casey?

Most claims about this don't really earn my attention, but when institutions like Sony (the same company that makes game consoles and electronic equipment) announces after seven years research in their ESPER (Extra Sensory Perception Excitation Research) that the phenomena actually exists, but can not be used in a commerically viable manner, I do sit up and take notice.

Very interesting!

It's hard to find a credible information source about this one, but this was the best that I could do: http://www.mindreader.com/articles/Fate0196.doc. Fortunately, it does reference several more credible newspapers in it's article.

Thank you, I'll check it out. :)
 

Comicaze247

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No, but to say it's " purely biological " is absolutely wrong. One must direct the thought process no matter how easy it might be for each individual.
I meant that we are all biologically capable of it. That's what I meant by "purely." It's not some spiritually given gift.
 

Jeremy Mason

Well-Known Member
I believe in Santa Claus does that count.

I tell my kids all the time that santa is a spirt that inspires others during the Holiday season. Is that like physic.

No, but even myths have truths and if those truths provide someone a model for tapping into a higher conscience and conscientiousness, then yes it could.
 

Jeremy Mason

Well-Known Member
I meant that we are all biologically capable of it. That's what I meant by "purely." It's not some spiritually given gift.

I see what your saying, but to denounce the spiritual aspects might. as Edgar Casey put it, would be to deny the very source in which these abilities come from (paraphrasing).

I'm not trying to convert any one btw, I'm just curious. if there is a God, wouldn't it make sense that such an unexplainable force would have something to do with what is physically tangible and the not so physically tangible? Remember, prior to Casey's abilities Casey was visited by an angel according to his story.
 

Comicaze247

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I see what your saying, but to denounce the spiritual aspects might. as Edgar Casey put it, would be to deny the very source in which these abilities come from (paraphrasing).

I'm not trying to convert any one btw, I'm just curious. if there is a God, wouldn't it make sense that such an unexplainable force would have something to do with what is physically tangible and the not so physically tangible? Remember, prior to Casey's abilities Casey was visited by an angel according to his story.
Now I'm not denying that there is an underlying Divine energy (as I said, I'm not atheist). I believe the reason that the ability to see the future (and other psychic phenomenon) exists is because of that Divine energy. What I mean is that humans are biologically capable of tapping into it, as it is physically tangible, because it is all around us. So the ability is biological. The existence is spiritual.

But now I'm derailing the discussion, as this section is for secular beliefs, lol. I just can't help my curiosity on the subject.
 

Jeremy Mason

Well-Known Member
Now I'm not denying that there is an underlying Divine energy (as I said, I'm not atheist). I believe the reason that the ability to see the future (and other psychic phenomenon) exists is because of that Divine energy. What I mean is that humans are biologically capable of tapping into it, as it is physically tangible, because it is all around us. So the ability is biological. The existence is spiritual.

But now I'm derailing the discussion, as this section is for secular beliefs, lol. I just can't help my curiosity on the subject.

LOL! Thanks anyways, I find it rather fascinating myself.
 

Aten

Member
i gave every one of you in 5 a secret bit in your brain where you can communicate with other 1 in 5s via telepathy. no some of the flock the 4 in 5 without do not understand that every human in a position of power now and before was a one in 5 and they talk amongs themselves about you in their heads, its a big secret, a big big secret. All the 1 in 5s are doing well and you 4 in 5s are the slaves to the 1 in 5s, now i know theres not one 1 in 5 on thsi forum, i know this because the main page has a colour cog on it to prevent communciation with the 1 in 5s, you probably dont understand what i mean but i dont expect you to, you havnt got a colour cog head reader in your head, to bad.
 

Supergate

Chappa'ko
Never-the-less, their are people like Edgar Casey who would diagnose a persons health issues and recommend medication or dietary solutions that more than often worked. I think there is a mind over matter issue than needs to be address as well as trans induced occurences that speak volumes.
Edgar Casey was able to find access to the Akashik Records of the Ori. Not read brain waves.
 

Nepenthe

Tu Stultus Es
No evidence of telepathy, psychokinesis, precognition, etc. have presented themselves in any measurable capacity. I seriously doubt they exist, and the research is spotty and filled with fraud, equivocations and general sloppiness. It's hard to have much hope for a field if investigation that's been aggressively researched for over a century has provided such an unconvincing handful of info'.

Yeah, Cacey is not particularly convincing, but I also don't find the PEAR research to have acheived much either. I won't go into the boring details over the alleged .1% success rate- suffice it to say that it's extremely controversial. Here's a link to PEAR:
http://skepdic.com/pear.html

Yes, it is The Skeptic's Dictionary so it's obviously critical of PSI research, but it does have some good links that explain the research in detail.
 

rojse

RF Addict
No evidence of telepathy, psychokinesis, precognition, etc. have presented themselves in any measurable capacity. I seriously doubt they exist, and the research is spotty and filled with fraud, equivocations and general sloppiness. It's hard to have much hope for a field if investigation that's been aggressively researched for over a century has provided such an unconvincing handful of info'.

Yeah, Cacey is not particularly convincing, but I also don't find the PEAR research to have acheived much either. I won't go into the boring details over the alleged .1% success rate- suffice it to say that it's extremely controversial. Here's a link to PEAR:
The Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research (PEAR) - The Skeptic's Dictionary - Skepdic.com

Yes, it is The Skeptic's Dictionary so it's obviously critical of PSI research, but it does have some good links that explain the research in detail.

The New Scientist had an interesting parapsychology special in 13 March 2004, which I found makes for extremely interesting reading for those interested in the field, regardless of their opinions, and does take a balanced view. I will post an interesting excerpt from the article "Opposites Detract" (p39):

So, you think you are rational, dispassionate and swayed only by hard evidence? Then try this little test. Last September two teams of respected scientists unveiled the outcome of research to prove the effectiveness of two very different agents. One team reported a powerful effect, much larger than expected by chance alone; the other could only muster an indifferent result with borderline significance. Which of these do you find the more convincing proof?

Most of us would view this as a no-brainer, and cite the first. But you probably sense a trap and would like to know more before deciding.

The weak result came from an international team of medical scientists studying a new drug aimed at reducing the chances of recurrent heart attacks. They found that the odds of another heart attack fell by just a few per cent, barely better than the reduction expected by chance alone. The far stronger finding came from a team at the Koestler Parapsychology Unit ant the University of Edinburgh, UK, and seems to support the existence of extrasensory perception (ESP).

The article also includes an interesting graph that shows the statistical differences between trials of a drug called streptokinase over the first ten trials (a blood clot dissolving drug quite widely used now) and ganzfield experiments, which showed the ganzfield experiments to have far greater significance when pooled.

I'm sorry about posting such a large text excerpt (I do it quite seldomly) but I find it quite illustrative of the problems that parapsychology faces as a branch of science, or pseudoscience (depending on one's perspective). It particularly illustrates our bias against something that appears to contradict our understanding of nature and science.

The 0.1% success rate that PEAR obtained initially sounds like a dud, but getting the same results by chance has a probability of approximately 0.00007. It's something that does warrant further investigation, and has been, with less than stellar results, I will concede.

I don't think that psychic powers have a large influence on the world that we live in. If it did, we would have heard more about it, the laboratory results would be far more conclusive than what they are now, and people that are psychic would be winning large sums of money at the racetrack each weekend. The people paraded out to support this smack of charlatism to me, fail under close scrutiny, and do more to harm support to parapsychology than to help it. But I do think that something is there worth examination and attention.

Sorry for the overly long post.
 

Jeremy Mason

Well-Known Member
Edgar Casey was able to find access to the Akashik Records of the Ori. Not read brain waves.

This was the quote you quoted on me:

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Originally Posted by Jeremy Mason
Never-the-less, their are people like Edgar Casey who would diagnose a persons health issues and recommend medication or dietary solutions that more than often worked. I think there is a mind over matter issue than needs to be address as well as trans induced occurences that speak volumes.

I'm a little confused as to your brain wave issue. Did I mention something about brain waves in an earlier post? :confused:


 

Sententia

Well-Known Member
If you believe in others who talk to god or have supernatural powers they can prove why dont they have 1 million bucks?

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Interesting eh? Maybe they dont like or value money or enjoy their sense of privacy... hmmm... What is money in this mortal world anyways when compared to the power they truly hold... ;)
 
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