I don't believe in truth, but I understand the point of the saying.And I always thought atheists were the ones who said a horrible truth was better than an enjoyable illusion
Still, tis more enjoyable to know the horrible truth & remain optimistic.
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Do atheists have a more positive look on the future?
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Still, tis more enjoyable to know the horrible truth & remain optimistic.
But neither optimism or pessimism are part of the horrible truth. If you live in the matrix but accept that it is not the real world, it doesn't mean you aren't living in a fantasy.
BBTimeless
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To some an enjoyable fantasy is more desirable than a terrible reality.
Then why is it wrong to believe in god just for an enjoyable fantasy?
BBTimeless
Active Member
To believe in God, in and within itself, is harmless. It is when people begin to take actions and speak in the name of God that we have problems.
Why is doing actions in the name of god (which is what they believe is right) worse than doing actions in the name of humanism?
BBTimeless
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It isn't. But to take actions in the name of something that can't be questioned, critically challenged, or otherwise held accountable is extremely dangerous.
A narrative widely believed in by my culture that claims the human condition will inevitably improve over time or move in a desirable direction. Wikipedia has a page on the idea here (link), though it's not a particularly good article.
lunakilo
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Ahh, that makes more sense.
You could argue that this planet is kind of interesting whit all this complex life on it and all. Don't you think a god would find it interesting? Especially if that god had something to do with making that life. Wouldn't it be fun to look and see what that life did with it self?
Why is everything else just meaningless?
BBTimeless
Active Member
I suppose the context is important. To make a general statement that we are "improving" it misleading. In what way? Technological? Population? Health? Intelligence? Or do you dismiss all of it?
John Williams
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more tecnology more atheist..
Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
Which has to do with the OP how?
I think people with beliefs that do not involve an Armageddon tend to have a more long-term vision of the future. How's that for a nuanced position?
Basically, I believe that the belief in an Armageddon tends to make people a little short-sighted, lazy, and/or apathetic. There's no need to be environmentally concious-- this world's coming to an end anyway. We can't or won't solve the problems in the world-- it's already been foreordained that we fail.
If you don't believe that the world is going to end in the near future with a great onslaught of evil and horribleness, then you might be more inclined to believe you can fix current problems or be more motivated to help prevent or excaberate future ones.
Basically, I believe that the belief in an Armageddon tends to make people a little short-sighted, lazy, and/or apathetic. There's no need to be environmentally concious-- this world's coming to an end anyway. We can't or won't solve the problems in the world-- it's already been foreordained that we fail.
If you don't believe that the world is going to end in the near future with a great onslaught of evil and horribleness, then you might be more inclined to believe you can fix current problems or be more motivated to help prevent or excaberate future ones.
Better, but not prettier.And I always thought atheists were the ones who said a horrible truth was better than an enjoyable illusion
lunakilo
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I think that is correct and also what the picture in the OP says (more or less), you just said it betterI think people with beliefs that do not involve an Armageddon tend to have a more long-term vision of the future. How's that for a nuanced position?
Basically, I believe that the belief in an Armageddon tends to make people a little short-sighted, lazy, and/or apathetic. There's no need to be environmentally concious-- this world's coming to an end anyway. We can't or won't solve the problems in the world-- it's already been foreordained that we fail.
If you don't believe that the world is going to end in the near future with a great onslaught of evil and horribleness, then you might be more inclined to believe you can fix current problems or be more motivated to help prevent or excaberate future ones.
Me Myself
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About the OP, it depends on each individual person, but I`d say haven tends to be better than the grave for those than beleive in it.
I do say this fully aware that it doesn`t mean they are right, but I am merely talking about the subject of the OP
Abut this specific world, it also depends how in the future we are projecting. The eart is not for ever, we do know that. Also it depends on the future for how. Maybe humanity will find other planets to inhabit and stuff.
I do say this fully aware that it doesn`t mean they are right, but I am merely talking about the subject of the OP
Abut this specific world, it also depends how in the future we are projecting. The eart is not for ever, we do know that. Also it depends on the future for how. Maybe humanity will find other planets to inhabit and stuff.
s2a
Heretic and part-time (skinny) Santa impersonator
(click om image for larger version)
What do you think? Is this true?
Oh yes, positively
The world we live in is dangerous. There are no safe zones or ways of thinking, there is just life. Living on this planet is dangerous. One day an asteroid my take us all out.
My view of the future is one day we will harness wind and solar and robotics will grow all the food we need and produce all the goods we require to live to the point we as a people will have to work very little and things will be cheap and abundant for everyone.
As a capitalist why would I need money if everything I required was available to all?
Robots would keep us healthy by replacing organs with cyber knives and growing new organs when we need them. Our diet would be healthy and artificial intelligence would cure diseases much faster than man has so far.
We would finally evolve to a higher plane.
Or...................
One day the nuclear genie will get out of the bottle and our future will look like the bottom picture. :sad4:
As a capitalist why would I need money if everything I required was available to all?
Robots would keep us healthy by replacing organs with cyber knives and growing new organs when we need them. Our diet would be healthy and artificial intelligence would cure diseases much faster than man has so far.
We would finally evolve to a higher plane.
Or...................
One day the nuclear genie will get out of the bottle and our future will look like the bottom picture. :sad4:
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