Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
You're denying the word exists? Really?
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Do Atheists "Proselytize"?
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ReligionandMMA
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This top really interests me.... I have never quite understood why people who believe in NO God are so intent on swaying everyone else to their beliefs.... It seems to mostly be out of anger and bitterness... I can understand religious people trying gently to sway people because we feel that it is helping save them from an eternity of suffering... However, atheists believe in no life after death, so why does it matter to them if we believe in God? If our feelings are wrong about God then when we die we wills simply disappear, so why must atheists try to discourage freedom of thought by calling people of religion ignorant and such... The only possibility is that there is something they deeply can not stand about religion... And most likely that is a broad hate and is unnecessary... There are many nice atheists I am sure, just the ones that are always in the public light are the ones who wish to break down people's beliefs... That's just my 2-cents...
ReligionandMMA
Member
That is very true... I have no problem with people speaking openly about their beliefs 
... I like it actually... Gives me something to think about lol... I have a very scientific mind so it makes it hard to accept religion... BUT after careful review, I really can not find a reason for why their would be no God.. And actually I think science proves there is... What are the negative effects that religion has on politics? For the most part religion is a good thing for politics... It keeps good morals... But then, who defines good morals? So idk...
... I like it actually... Gives me something to think about lol... I have a very scientific mind so it makes it hard to accept religion... BUT after careful review, I really can not find a reason for why their would be no God.. And actually I think science proves there is... What are the negative effects that religion has on politics? For the most part religion is a good thing for politics... It keeps good morals... But then, who defines good morals? So idk...
No, that's debate.
Peacewise
Active Member
Some atheists value intelligence above all else and feel the need to apply critical thought to believers reasoning (or lack thereof), and that application of critical thought is quite satisfying for to critique is to get an immediate sense of being right, by having shown someone else is wrong, whilst by one component of the definition of atheism is to deny theism and hence by applying critical thought in a negative manner some atheists can achieve that denial that is part of their belief structure.
Many people get a great deal of satisfaction from saying "NO you are wrong" with the obvious implication that they are right. Whilst the believer may discuss a concept that has many components in it, the atheist can point at any particular one of those many components and apply critical thought upon that one item and hence apply their denial strategy.
For about a year i've been having discussions with atheists on one particular site, not RF, and in not a single case has an atheist made mention of the points that were valid components of the main concept under discussion and have instead always attacked that one component that could fall easy prey to their mode of critical thought.
Some atheists will often, if not always, hold that the search for truth is achieved by revealing falsehood, this to my mind is fallacious reasoning a Denying the antecedent, or a fallacy fallacy.
Let me propose a question that may reveal the relative lack of worth in critiquing.
Which is easier for most people - to write a book, or to critique someone elses book?
Many people get a great deal of satisfaction from saying "NO you are wrong" with the obvious implication that they are right. Whilst the believer may discuss a concept that has many components in it, the atheist can point at any particular one of those many components and apply critical thought upon that one item and hence apply their denial strategy.
For about a year i've been having discussions with atheists on one particular site, not RF, and in not a single case has an atheist made mention of the points that were valid components of the main concept under discussion and have instead always attacked that one component that could fall easy prey to their mode of critical thought.
Some atheists will often, if not always, hold that the search for truth is achieved by revealing falsehood, this to my mind is fallacious reasoning a Denying the antecedent, or a fallacy fallacy.
Let me propose a question that may reveal the relative lack of worth in critiquing.
Which is easier for most people - to write a book, or to critique someone elses book?
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ReligionandMMA
Member
I believe a debate is more where you are willing to accept other idea's if you are proven wrong in a back and forth dialogue... Proselytize seems to be more of you are adamant about your beliefs and refuse to accept any other possibilities or listen to another point of view... My thoughts...
Exactly. Imagine we use religion specifically to influence our laws, but instead of Christianity, we use something else. Pick any religion and imagine the effects it would have.ReligionandMMA
Member
Haha possibly not good effects.... And Peacewise, your thinking is great, I enjoy reading that... Very intelligent... What you are describing is exactly what I have experienced during similar conversations with atheists... It seems they are so desperate to be right that they usually just resort to name calling... It is odd... I think that the need they feel to be right is a large reason that they are atheists... To believe in God means there is something much much more intelligent than you.. And I do not believe atheists can accept this....
I respectfully disagree. Religion is an obstacle to morals just as often as it helps in that field. If anything, it is even more of a problem when it influences political matters.
ReligionandMMA
Member
Specific instances of religion being a problem in modern times? With anything there are certain people who take it to another level and sometimes that level is a little to far, but I would say for the most part religion has a positive effect on morals in politics...
Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
Blocking stem cell research and same sex marriage.
Nope. It's a label that can applied to some religions, but it's not its own religion any more than theism is a religion.
Fun fact: a few years back in the town where my Mom lives, an Anglican priest was de-frocked and started his own independent church. The "crime" that ran him afoul of the local bishop: his insistence in performing mass dressed up as Elvis.
What positive effect has religion ever had on morals in politics? Can you give even one example?
Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
"Religion is for people too weak to cope with reality," etc..
Basically, by an obnoxious insistence that their way is the only valid one. Just like every other proselytizer.
ReligionandMMA
Member
I can see your argument in favor of those things.... But both same sex marriage and stem cell research can turn into problems fast.... Stem cell research, as long as the stem cells are not... well ever cable of being alive.. I do not see a problem with it... But the abuse of the research could be a real problem if no one opposed it... Same sex marriage.... Tricky subject... What you have to understand is it is not... well productive... Humans need to breed to continue their lines.. It is necessary for the continuation of our species... If everyone started openly allowing gay marriage it could become a problem to simply keep the planet populated... Granted, it may take years and years.... But eventually that would stand a very good chance of becoming a problem... NOOO offense to you...
Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
Homosexuality is not contagious. Even if it were, it wouldn't be a valid reason to deny equal treatment under the law.
And that's completely ignoring the fact that we bis have the breeding thing covered.
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Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
Thats not proselytizing, thats trolling.
Really? I don't think heteros would give up procreating just cuz of gay marriages.
Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
Both.