GabrielWithoutWings
Well-Known Member
How is it intolerant to have a standard and then enforce it?
I would pull a Godwin here, but I won't.
It isn't unfair to ask people not to act on their urges when those urges run contrary to the goal or standard set. Hell, is it unfair for government agencies to tell their operatives who work in top-secret settings not to go talk about it? Even though they may have the urge to do so?
1. If the goal or standard set includes enforcing prejudice on people that do not inflict direct harm upon anyone else, then the goal or standard set is wrong and needs to be changed.
2. Operatives who work for government agencies usually have a choice in the matter. Gay people don't.
If someone wishes to be a part of a group or adhere to a certain lifestyle that has certain defined practices and restraints that define it, then you cannot say it is unfair to limit the person in anyway that it limits anyone. It presume that there is a universal definition of how things should be and what is fair and that all things in the world must ascribe to such a definition.
How is it not biased when it comes from a particular perspective?
1. Very true. However, do NOT call yourself a 'progressive, new revelation' when you're espousing and promoting the same old tired song. Don't say you're all inclusive to women, then try and justify how women can't be elected to the UHJ. Don't say that you're for promoting family values and tolerance when you don't allow gay people to have a family of their own.
2. There is a universal definition of how things should be. It's called being excellent to each other.
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