Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
I meant the Abrahamic Gods. They know what you think. And you cannot escape.
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Do Christians and Muslims go to the same Heaven?
- Thread starter ArtieE
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But there are so many, surely they'd be arguing amongst themselves all the time?
That's because they aren't associated with mutually incompatible worldviews.
arthra
Baha'i
Once again... God is the same God...Allah ... Nearness to God is where heaven is...where ever you are in any world of the universe... Hell is remoteness from God where ever you are in whatever world you are... Christians and Muslims are one...They're on one planet and breathe the same air and bleed the same red blood. The heaven is the same for everyone!
Even atheists?
DawudTalut
Peace be upon you.
Questions raised:
1. Is the Christian god and Allah the same god?
2. Is there one heaven for Christians and one for Muslims?
3. Is there one hell for Christians and one for Muslims?
4. Do Christians and Muslims go to different places in the same heaven?
5. If there is only one heaven and that's the Muslim one, do your Christian disbelievers go to Muslim hell?
6.How many heavens there are, how many hells and who goes where.
Answers from Ahmadiyya Muslim understandings
Peace be on all.
All religions have two phases; the nascent phase i.e initial time near the time of founder of religion and the farther time when corruptions and deviations are infiltrated (then reformation or new religion is sent).
According to Holy Quran,
[chapter 42: part of verse14] "He has prescribed for you the religion which He enjoined on Noah, and which We have revealed to thee, and which We enjoined on Abraham and Moses and Jesus............."
[21:26] And We sent no Messenger before thee but We revealed to him, saying, ‘There is no God but I; so worship Me alone.’
But deviation took place in Christianity (according to Quran) thus it was said:
[9:31] They have taken their learned men and their monks for lords beside Allah. And so have they taken the Messiah, son of Mary. And they were not commanded but to worship the One God. There is no God but He. Too Holy is He for what they associate with Him!
Exception is surely present:
[3:114] They are not all alike. Among the People of the Book there is a party who stand by their covenant; they recite the word of Allah in the hours of night and prostrate themselves before Him.
[3:115] They believe in Allah and the Last Day, and enjoin what is good and forbid evil, and hasten, vying with one another, in good works. And these are among the righteous.
[3:116] And whatever good they do, they shall not be denied its due reward; and Allah well knows the God-fearing.
That is why it is said:
[2:36] " Surely, the Believers, and the Jews, and the Christians and the Sabians — whichever party from among these truly believes in Allah and the Last Day and does good deeds — shall have their reward with their Lord, and no fear shall come upon them, nor shall they grieve."
=Thus real God is same One God from ever to ever (His various names were taught in various era).
=This same God has same essence of teachings; believe and worship One God and pay rights of His creation. The details of this Message continued to evolved till Quran was sent with saved essentials of all teachings and more.
=He has made one Hereafter, one paradise and one hell. People will be judged according to time of their presence in certain era.
=Thus God and Paradise and Hell for True-Muslims, True-Christians and other Previous-True-Faiths is same. That is why, even though the Status of Holy Prophet of Islam is the ultimate (according to Islam) yet it is said:
[2:137] Say ye: ‘We believe in Allah and what has been revealed to us, and what was revealed to Abraham and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob and his children, and what was given to Moses and Jesus, and what was given to all other Prophets from their Lord. We make no difference between any of them; and to Him we submit ourselves.’
It is not fault of a person if he or she was born in time of Adam (a.s.) or Muhammad (s.a.w.), what would be seen, is his or her loyalty to true Message (as much as had been revealed by then).
1. Is the Christian god and Allah the same god?
2. Is there one heaven for Christians and one for Muslims?
3. Is there one hell for Christians and one for Muslims?
4. Do Christians and Muslims go to different places in the same heaven?
5. If there is only one heaven and that's the Muslim one, do your Christian disbelievers go to Muslim hell?
6.How many heavens there are, how many hells and who goes where.
Answers from Ahmadiyya Muslim understandings
Peace be on all.
All religions have two phases; the nascent phase i.e initial time near the time of founder of religion and the farther time when corruptions and deviations are infiltrated (then reformation or new religion is sent).
According to Holy Quran,
[chapter 42: part of verse14] "He has prescribed for you the religion which He enjoined on Noah, and which We have revealed to thee, and which We enjoined on Abraham and Moses and Jesus............."
[21:26] And We sent no Messenger before thee but We revealed to him, saying, ‘There is no God but I; so worship Me alone.’
But deviation took place in Christianity (according to Quran) thus it was said:
[9:31] They have taken their learned men and their monks for lords beside Allah. And so have they taken the Messiah, son of Mary. And they were not commanded but to worship the One God. There is no God but He. Too Holy is He for what they associate with Him!
Exception is surely present:
[3:114] They are not all alike. Among the People of the Book there is a party who stand by their covenant; they recite the word of Allah in the hours of night and prostrate themselves before Him.
[3:115] They believe in Allah and the Last Day, and enjoin what is good and forbid evil, and hasten, vying with one another, in good works. And these are among the righteous.
[3:116] And whatever good they do, they shall not be denied its due reward; and Allah well knows the God-fearing.
That is why it is said:
[2:36] " Surely, the Believers, and the Jews, and the Christians and the Sabians — whichever party from among these truly believes in Allah and the Last Day and does good deeds — shall have their reward with their Lord, and no fear shall come upon them, nor shall they grieve."
=Thus real God is same One God from ever to ever (His various names were taught in various era).
=This same God has same essence of teachings; believe and worship One God and pay rights of His creation. The details of this Message continued to evolved till Quran was sent with saved essentials of all teachings and more.
=He has made one Hereafter, one paradise and one hell. People will be judged according to time of their presence in certain era.
=Thus God and Paradise and Hell for True-Muslims, True-Christians and other Previous-True-Faiths is same. That is why, even though the Status of Holy Prophet of Islam is the ultimate (according to Islam) yet it is said:
[2:137] Say ye: ‘We believe in Allah and what has been revealed to us, and what was revealed to Abraham and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob and his children, and what was given to Moses and Jesus, and what was given to all other Prophets from their Lord. We make no difference between any of them; and to Him we submit ourselves.’
It is not fault of a person if he or she was born in time of Adam (a.s.) or Muhammad (s.a.w.), what would be seen, is his or her loyalty to true Message (as much as had been revealed by then).
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But a Hindu monist, or polytheist, would be sent to Hell for not believing in God in a monotheistic sense?
Even if such a person believed that because it was what they were brought up to believe, or because it made the most sense to them?
In general, probably so. But there are non-exclusivist Christians too.
DawudTalut
Peace be upon you.
Peace be on you.
It is sad:
[3:19] Allah bears witness that there is no God but He — and also do the angels and those possessed of knowledge — Maintainer of justice; there is no God but He, the Mighty, the Wise.
[7:173] And when thy Lord brings forth from Adam’s children — out of their loins — their offspring and makes them witnesses against their own selves by saying: ‘Am I not your Lord?’ They say, ‘Yea, we do bear witness.’ This He does lest you should say on the Day of Resurrection, ‘We were surely unaware of this.’
[49:19] Verily, Allah knows the secrets of the heavens and the earth. And Allah sees all that you do.
[95:9] Is not Allah the Best of judges?
These verses imply that Unity of God is embedded in hearts, and what were the circumstances of anyone, all is in His knowledge, so He will surely keep all aspects in view.
From my perspective, I take tawhid much further than an average Muslim, as I don't believe there is anything which is not God.
But in any case, if this unity of God, as affirmed by Muslims and also Christians, Jews, some Hindus and an eclectic bunch of others is so obvious, why do polytheists exist? Where did those ideas come from?
But in any case, if this unity of God, as affirmed by Muslims and also Christians, Jews, some Hindus and an eclectic bunch of others is so obvious, why do polytheists exist? Where did those ideas come from?
DawudTalut
Peace be upon you.
Peace be on you.
Human, the creation of God, comes with raw faculties which they have to work at (under divine teachings), to move onto moral-stages and then to high spiritual stages.
Unity is established by Prophet, then with the time phenomenon of weakness starts, that is why,
"....'Baitul Haram' (
Faith weakens as slow long process.
"...It does not happen overnight. It is a long slow process of decadence set in after the demise of a prophet which ultimately erodes the hard-earned belief in the Unity of God. Whenever belief dwindles, superstitions begin to encroach and take over. Firm faith in a single Omnipotent God splinters into fragments of a shattered image of Godhead. Oracles begin to be concocted from temple to temple and a dishonest religious clergy feels free to deceive the common masses......"
Dishonesty spreads and in addition to common society it also corrupts religions and its adherents (in the sense that they go away from original teachings). The inertia of joy of power by corrupt clergies do not let masses to see the truth sprouted from Unity of God and accountability associated with it.
Further analysis @ Secular Viewpoints Examined
wwwDOTalislamDOTorg/library/books/revelation/part_3_section_1.html
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Don't know about Christian and Muslim hells, but Hinduism has many. For details about names and description kindly visit: Naraka (Hinduism) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
There is no mystery. See Naraka (Hinduism) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, all details. You see, we are the ones who go and return repeatedly from heavens and hells.How about we ask the guy that does crossing over...he might get some inside info and let us know who goes where...
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DawudTalut
Peace be upon you.
Peace be on you.
a-In general you are right.
b-Yet people learn things as they grow, they do not follow everything of forefathers, they do find explore new avenues.
c-Effects of forefathers, home-life, peers, schools, society is serious.
[21:54] They replied, ‘We found our fathers worshipping them.’
d-But there are least-thoughts which come to every mind and they continue to reflect (in one way or other) what is purpose of life and related issues. Media and other sources are in abundance to help thinking and scrutinizing and comparing issues and solutions and religions.
[Quran ch 16: v 79] And Allah brought you forth from the wombs of your mothers while you knew nothing, and gave you ears and eyes and hearts, that you might be grateful.
No,
God is the best Judge.
Who is born where and in which family and with what faculties, it is not their choice. Thus
[ch2: words from v287]"Allah burdens not any soul beyond its capacity. ........................."
Yet
[17:37] And follow not that of which thou hast no knowledge. Verily, the ear and the eye and the heart — all these shall be called to account.
Did the person tried to get true-knowledge through given faculties like ear, eyes and heart (conscience)? It is b/n the person and God, everything is being recorded:
[17:14] And every man’s works have We fastened to his neck, and on the Day of Resurrection We shall bring out for him a book which he will find wide open.
[17:15] ‘Read thy book. Sufficient is thy own soul this day as reckoner against thee.’
Two scenarios:
a-Born in a Muslim family, But not practicing it with spirit of peace, not conveying it to others, being extremist in own explanations, chopping heads, being pawn in the hands of covert powers, not using own brains, wasting resources and time, sinking low in productive works, rising high is luxurious life styles etc.
b-Born in non-Islamic household, having spirit and brain of truth-finding through seeking knowledge, self reflections and direct prayers, and reaching to conclusion that real Message of Islam is the Truth and finding, interacting those whose outlook is international with peace for all. Then accepting the Way.
Please think about the followings questions, the answers should be more than obvious!
Q- Which of above two categories above will be better in the eyes of Allah?
Q- The early companions of Holy Prophet of Islam (and other true religions of their times) came from various facets of life, how did they cross the hurdle of name-calling, persecution and greeds-offering by opponents?
When someone cross the mountain of opposition, Allah rewards on very high scales:
[41:31] As for those who say, ‘Our Lord is Allah,’ and then remain steadfast, the angels descend on them, saying: ‘Fear ye not, nor grieve; and rejoice in the Garden that you were promised.
[41:32] ‘We are your friends in this life and in the Hereafter. Therein you will have all that your souls will desire, and therein you will have all that you will ask for —
[41:33] ‘An entertainment from the Most Forgiving, the Merciful.’
Good wishes.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Personally, where ever they both go, I don't want to be there, no where there, not for miles lol.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Surat Al-'Anbyā'
"So he made them into fragments, except a large one among them, that they might return to it [and question]." 21.58
Taliban and IS are completing Abraham's mission, breaking idols. Nice work. Erase everything. Let the Middle-East be as Allah wanted it, a desert. :Claps:
"So he made them into fragments, except a large one among them, that they might return to it [and question]." 21.58
Taliban and IS are completing Abraham's mission, breaking idols. Nice work. Erase everything. Let the Middle-East be as Allah wanted it, a desert. :Claps:
Neo Deist
Th.D. & D.Div. h.c.
There is but one answer to your title question...and that answer is, no one knows until the moment of their death where they go or what happens to them.
Anything else is pure speculation and has no proof whatsoever.