Do Christians hate us

[metis]

What do you consider the P.C. belief of Christianity? That anyone can be saved (regardless of whether or not they accept Christ), or that only people who accept Christ will be saved?

Let me just say that different churches have different teachings when it comes to this. Much like the value of a house on the market is "location, location, location", how we in Judaism and various churches look at dealing with scripture is "interpretation, interpretation, interpretation". And what I mean by "p.c. belief" deals with those churches, and I grew up in one of them, that teach that one is saved by faith and faith alone. That, to me, simply creates what I call "rocking-chair religion"-- just sit back, have nice beliefs, no need to do anything. And, to me, that mocks what Jesus actually appears to have taught.

Only the arrogance of men would suggest that a church they happens to adhere to the doctrines they appreciate would be the "true church". That is the reason why there are so many differences. The bible makes it clear that anyone proclaiming that there is one true Church by excluding other self-professed Christians is actually going against Christ...

But Paul states the church was to be "one body", not that all would go to the same building obviously, but that they were to fall under the leadership of the 12. And, as a matter of fact, he condemned dissent that threatened to split that "one body". Is the "church" today "one body"? Hardly.

I see no evidence to support this idea :no:

You're unfamiliar with the "heresies" that rocked the church in the 2nd and later centuries? You're not aware that most of these "heresies" involved issues dealing with the nature of Jesus?

I agree that trinity is a concept that Christians have struggled with in the early church, as well as the various denominations since then. But trinity isn't particularly relevant to salvation.

So, if one of you former congregants were to say "I don't believe Jesus was God", which is part of the Trinitarian concept, then they could still be "saved"?

And when we exercise judgement, we are merely to "discern" right from wrong, not "condemn" the sinner.

I agree, but the unfortunate reality is that we run across people all the time stating whom is to be "saved" and whom is not. I've been told I'm going to hell so many times that I'm actually starting to look forward to the trip.

Anyhow, I really feel uncomfortable about this discussion since it is not my intent or wish to convert anyone away from their religion. I may answer a question pr two if you have it, but don't be surprised if I choose not to.

Shalom, & take care.

 

[captainbryce]

"Do you believe that Jesus was the Son of God, the promised messiah who died to atone for your sins so that you may have eternal salvation? Yes or no?"

No, I do not.

Then I don't really see the point of continuing the debate. We obviously believe in two different things. So if you don't regard Jesus as the messiah, then your questions about what he supposedly did are essentially irrelevant, as is my explanation of his actions and teachings.