Do innocent sinful people go to hell?

[The Transcended Omniverse]

I am aware of what the Bible says about the wicked which is that if they do not accept Jesus and repent, they will go to eternal hell. But what about an innocent person who has lived a sinful life?

This person would be someone who lived a homosexual life or someone who lived a selfish life their entire life, but was still a kind and respectful innocent person towards others.

This person never repented or anything because he/she thought that there was nothing wrong with his/her way of life.

He/she thought that it was not sinful at all because as long as he/she was kind and innocent towards others, he/she would think that what he/she is doing is not sinful and would not send him/her to hell at all.

It would be the most cruel and unfair thing to send an innocent person to hell. Also, what about someone who has bad harmful thoughts towards others, but didn't harm anyone? Would they go to hell?

 

[buddhist]

In early Buddhism, a person who is attached to their own guilt sends himself to the hellish realms, even in this very life.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I am aware of what the Bible says about the wicked which is that if they do not accept Jesus and repent, they will go to eternal hell. But what about an innocent person who has lived a sinful life?

This person would be someone who lived a homosexual life or someone who lived a selfish life their entire life, but was still a kind and respectful innocent person towards others.

This person never repented or anything because he/she thought that there was nothing wrong with his/her way of life.

He/she thought that it was not sinful at all because as long as he/she was kind and innocent towards others, he/she would think that what he/she is doing is not sinful and would not send him/her to hell at all.

It would be the most cruel and unfair thing to send an innocent person to hell. Also, what about someone who has bad harmful thoughts towards others, but didn't harm anyone? Would they go to hell?

It depends on the religion that person, I will say Jane, adheres to. For example, taking out the fire and brimstone of Christianity, at its bare bones, Christianity is about leaving the old self and being a new person with god by the medium of Christ. Nothing more than that. I don't believe a homosexual "life" exist however, if you're talking about promiscuity and Jane engaged in that, according to Christian faith, that means she is making herself impure. She is using her body against what her body is meant to be used. Whether she goes to hell or not is another mainstream Christianity belief. Christianity is an eastern faith, and hell is "in the mind" of the believer hence the need for repentance. If Jane feels he or she is impure by the sexual acts (and other 'sins') Jane commits, then the hell she has is the guilt and conviction she feels because she went against god. Revelations says that heaven is of gold and pearls. God and pearls just as fire are all earthly. If a person is no longer on earth, how can he or she burn in hell or gather pearls in heaven?

So, Jane would have to take that into consideration of how much "earthy concepts" such as fear and pride mask what the Bible actually says beneath all of that.

Another thing Jane could consider is writing down what she feels are sins and what she feels are not. If she is obedient to Christ or to god, she can see if her sins are matched with what he calls sins. The consequences are not hell but should lead Jane to more of a communion with god through Christ. It should motivate Jane to live a better and new fulfilled life not be bogged down by what she did wrong.

Another thing about being god by doing what god says are bad things is look at why god says X is bad and Y is not. Homosexuality is an action in the Bible so it is linked with promiscuity and impurity of the body. If Jane is obedient to god, that is how she would see homosexuality. If she doesn't, she isn't in-tune with god. If that bothers Jane, that is something to study and ask god about. If Jane feels its good to lie and her god says it isn't, Jane maybe could ask why does her god say its bad to lie. How does it affect other people when Jane lies to others.

Maybe Jane could look at it from the other person's person's perspective rather than her own. Is her actions causing other people harm? If it's a sin, why is it a sin and how does it affect others to make it sin?

Also, I went on a tangent...

You can't be selfish and kind at the same time. If one wants to not have the guilt and unsettled mind (hell) then Jane may focus more on being kind. If she wants to be selfish, then whatever consequence she gets from that selfishness can be attributed to god's punishment, satan, or just plain life and how what we do affects other people. Jane may consider reflecting on her actions and morals. If god is a part of Jane's life, maybe she could reflect what her relationship with god is and her interpretation of that relationship and no one else's. Maybe Jane feels this way because others have told her she would go to hell if she does or thinks X, Y, or Z. I'd tell Jane to reflect on what god actually tells her and not what other people not even the Bible-since that is written by people-tells her.

Take some initiative with one's own relationship with god not interpret a relationship with god based on other people.

 

[The Transcended Omniverse]

It depends on the religion that person, I will say Jane, adheres to. For example, taking out the fire and brimstone of Christianity, at its bare bones, Christianity is about leaving the old self and being a new person with god by the medium of Christ. Nothing more than that. I don't believe a homosexual "life" exist however, if you're talking about promiscuity and Jane engaged in that, according to Christian faith, that means she is making herself impure. She is using her body against what her body is meant to be used. Whether she goes to hell or not is another mainstream Christianity belief. Christianity is an eastern faith, and hell is "in the mind" of the believer hence the need for repentance. If Jane feels he or she is impure by the sexual acts (and other 'sins') Jane commits, then the hell she has is the guilt and conviction she feels because she went against god. Revelations says that heaven is of gold and pearls. God and pearls just as fire are all earthly. If a person is no longer on earth, how can he or she burn in hell or gather pearls in heaven?

So, Jane would have to take that into consideration of how much "earthy concepts" such as fear and pride mask what the Bible actually says beneath all of that.

Another thing Jane could consider is writing down what she feels are sins and what she feels are not. If she is obedient to Christ or to god, she can see if her sins are matched with what he calls sins. The consequences are not hell but should lead Jane to more of a communion with god through Christ. It should motivate Jane to live a better and new fulfilled life not be bogged down by what she did wrong.

Another thing about being god by doing what god says are bad things is look at why god says X is bad and Y is not. Homosexuality is an action in the Bible so it is linked with promiscuity and impurity of the body. If Jane is obedient to god, that is how she would see homosexuality. If she doesn't, she isn't in-tune with god. If that bothers Jane, that is something to study and ask god about. If Jane feels its good to lie and her god says it isn't, Jane maybe could ask why does her god say its bad to lie. How does it affect other people when Jane lies to others.

Maybe Jane could look at it from the other person's person's perspective rather than her own. Is her actions causing other people harm? If it's a sin, why is it a sin and how does it affect others to make it sin?

Also, I went on a tangent...

You can't be selfish and kind at the same time. If one wants to not have the guilt and unsettled mind (hell) then Jane may focus more on being kind. If she wants to be selfish, then whatever consequence she gets from that selfishness can be attributed to god's punishment, satan, or just plain life and how what we do affects other people. Jane may consider reflecting on her actions and morals. If god is a part of Jane's life, maybe she could reflect what her relationship with god is and her interpretation of that relationship and no one else's. Maybe Jane feels this way because others have told her she would go to hell if she does or thinks X, Y, or Z. I'd tell Jane to reflect on what god actually tells her and not what other people not even the Bible-since that is written by people-tells her.

Take some initiative with one's own relationship with god not interpret a relationship with god based on other people.

You can be selfish and kind at the same time. For example, I am someone who lives for my own happiness since I am a hedonist, but I am a kind and respectful person towards my family and other innocent people at the same time.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

You can be selfish and kind at the same time. For example, I am someone who lives for my own happiness since I am a hedonist, but I am a kind and respectful person towards my family and other innocent people at the same time.

Selfish is more taking things for yourself in expensive of another.

It sounds like you're self-centered. Thinking of yourself even though you respect others.

If you're selfish to someone else and respect them, that's being a hypocrite if that's possible to do. If you're self-centered and are respectful to others, that's just being honest that you think of yourself but not at the expensive of harming someone else's emotions in the process.

Had to have my therapist explain that one.

 

[meghanwaterlillies]

I am aware of what the Bible says about the wicked which is that if they do not accept Jesus and repent, they will go to eternal hell. But what about an innocent person who has lived a sinful life?

This person would be someone who lived a homosexual life or someone who lived a selfish life their entire life, but was still a kind and respectful innocent person towards others.

This person never repented or anything because he/she thought that there was nothing wrong with his/her way of life.

He/she thought that it was not sinful at all because as long as he/she was kind and innocent towards others, he/she would think that what he/she is doing is not sinful and would not send him/her to hell at all.

It would be the most cruel and unfair thing to send an innocent person to hell. Also, what about someone who has bad harmful thoughts towards others, but didn't harm anyone? Would they go to hell?

Many people have thought... I'm watching cartoons with my niece in front of me here is a pirate that threatens to kill the main characters.
There is a witch etc etc. I don't think the knowledge of this is something that we always want to manifest, also even the gay hype wasn't something that I thought of or manifested as a debate or something on tv. And as far as Jesus goes totally believe that He is who he says he is including the Son of Man because even how the beginning of the book reads I don't believe that God made us after the animals. I think that's why they call us animals because we tend to imitate the things manifested to us which is not always logic or emotionally legit.

 

[The Transcended Omniverse]

Selfish is more taking things for yourself in expensive of another.

It sounds like you're self-centered. Thinking of yourself even though you respect others.

If you're selfish to someone else and respect them, that's being a hypocrite if that's possible to do. If you're self-centered and are respectful to others, that's just being honest that you think of yourself but not at the expensive of harming someone else's emotions in the process.

Had to have my therapist explain that one.

The type of selfish person I am is not someone who takes from the poor or any other misdeed of the sort. I am just someone who sits in front of his computer and just lives to be happy and to enjoy his life and hobbies. I have no desire to help others or contribute to society. So that is the type of selfish person I am. I am not the wicked type of selfish person deserving of hell such as someone who would harm others, other innocent living things, etc.

So where I was getting at was that would such a selfish person as myself go to hell? I personally don't think so because I am innocent and not wicked. To send an innocent person such as myself to hell would be the most cruel and unwarranted thing of all.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

The type of selfish person I am is not someone who takes from the poor or any other misdeed of the sort. I am just someone who sits in front of his computer and just lives to be happy and to enjoy his life and hobbies. I have no desire to help others or contribute to society. So that is the type of selfish person I am. I am not the wicked type of selfish person deserving of hell such as someone who would harm others, other innocent living things, etc.

So where I was getting at was that would such a selfish person as myself go to hell? I personally don't think so because I am innocent and not wicked. To send an innocent person such as myself to hell would be the most cruel and unwarranted thing of all.

The word selfish is usually defined as someone who "takes from the poor" at the expense of his own good or someone who is wicked and negatively prideful at the expense of someone else's emotions et cetera. A selfish person things of himself at the expensive of someone else by disrespecting that person, or so have you.

A self-centered or a person whose priorities are centered around oneself rather than others are usually "seen as" selfish but they are not. They are innocent and just like to keep to themselves, have their own meals, and such. However, the difference is, they don't do so at the expense of other people's emotions and feelings. It's just a personality trait. I realize I'm self-centered but I rather someone who cares for others in different ways but that's not how I was raised.

As far as going to hell, no, the way you define selfish, I wouldn't see you going to hell. However, selfish is defined biblical as a negative trait. What you described isn't being selfish-so, no, I don't see a contradiction in being innocent and self-centered.

It's just confusing when you say selfish but list traits that a self-centered innocent person would have that you wouldn't find in someone who thinks only of himself in a negative way at the expense of someone else's emotions and even life.

 

[Godobeyer]

In Islam view God may would forgive ANY sin expect make a association with Him.

https://quran.com/4:116

 

[Skwim]

I am aware of what the Bible says about the wicked which is that if they do not accept Jesus and repent, they will go to eternal hell. But what about an innocent person who has lived a sinful life?

What constitutes an "innocent person"?

This person would be someone who lived a homosexual life . . . but was still a kind and respectful innocent person towards others.

So you mean a nice guy/gal who committed the sin of homosexuality. According to the rules I've read about sinning and going to hell, this would seem to qualify one for entry.

This person never repented or anything because he/she thought that there was nothing wrong with his/her way of life.

Doesn't matter. In fact, it doesn't even matter if they never heard of god's rules for avoiding hell.

He/she thought that it was not sinful at all because as long as he/she was kind and innocent towards others, he/she would think that what he/she is doing is not sinful and would not send him/her to hell at all.

WHAT YOU THINK JUST DOESN'T MATTER. Other than going through all necessary steps to expunge your sins, there are no exceptions that I know of.

It would be the most cruel and unfair thing to send an innocent person to hell.

It certainly would, but if you sin then you're no longer innocent. At least innocent enough to avoid hell.

Also, what about someone who has bad harmful thoughts towards others, but didn't harm anyone? Would they go to hell?

There are sins other than harming others that can land you in hell. But if you're asking if a pure-as-the-driven-snow fellow, who's bound for heaven, can blow the whole thing if he had bad harmful thoughts towards others, it certainly appears so. Take Matthew 5:28 where it says,

"But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart."​

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Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
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Engaging in enmity, jealousy, anger, and envy, all things of the mind, will keep you from inheriting the kingdom of god no matter how many Girl Scout Cookies you buy.. So the story goes.


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[The Transcended Omniverse]

What constitutes an "innocent person"?

So you mean a nice guy/gal who committed the sin of homosexuality. According to the rules I've read, sinning and going to hell, this would seem to qualify one for entry.

Doesn't matter. In fact, it doesn't even matter if they never heard of god's rules for avoiding hell.

WHAT YOU THINK JUST DOESN'T MATTER. Other than going through all necessary steps to expunge your sins, there are no exceptions that I know of.

It certainly would, but if you sin then you're no longer innocent. At least innocent enough to avoid hell.

There are sins other than harming others that can land you in hell. But if you're asking if a pure-as-the-driven-snow fellow, who's bound for heaven, can blow the whole thing if he had bad harmful thoughts towards others, it certainly appears so. Take Matthew 5:28 where it says,

"But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart."​

OR

Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
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Engaging in enmity, jealousy, anger, and envy, all things of the mind, will keep you from inheriting the kingdom of god no matter how many Girl Scout Cookies you buy.. So the story goes.


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What if you've accepted Jesus into your life, but continued to live your sinful life not knowing that it was sinful?

 

[Deeje]

What if you've accepted Jesus into your life, but continued to live your sinful life not knowing that it was sinful?

Sin is the deliberate doing of what God says is wrong.

The apostle Paul put it bluntly.....in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10)
"Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God’s Kingdom? Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality,  thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and extortioners will not inherit God’s Kingdom."

If you want to worship God and benefit from what he is offering, then obedience to his laws and principles is a requirement.....an obligation.

You can't call yourself a Christians unless you qualify as one......just as you cannot call yourself a doctor unless you qualify as one. You must pass tests to prove your qualifications are genuine.

If you don't want to be obedient to God, then "eat, drink and be merry" because you know that there is nothing at the end of that choice that is worth having.

 

[ThorirTheHound]

I am aware of what the Bible says about the wicked which is that if they do not accept Jesus and repent, they will go to eternal hell. But what about an innocent person who has lived a sinful life?

This person would be someone who lived a homosexual life or someone who lived a selfish life their entire life, but was still a kind and respectful innocent person towards others.

This person never repented or anything because he/she thought that there was nothing wrong with his/her way of life.

He/she thought that it was not sinful at all because as long as he/she was kind and innocent towards others, he/she would think that what he/she is doing is not sinful and would not send him/her to hell at all.

It would be the most cruel and unfair thing to send an innocent person to hell. Also, what about someone who has bad harmful thoughts towards others, but didn't harm anyone? Would they go to hell?

I'd rather burn in hell for eternity than worship such a disgusting, hateful, spiteful, jealous, hypocritical God as the Bible.. At least I know I'll be in good company.

So yea, **** Jesus Christ and The Holy Trinity...

Hail Odin, Freyja and Thor

You should strip yourself of such backward beliefs and embrace occultism, paganism and philosophy.

 

[Skwim]

What if you've accepted Jesus into your life, but continued to live your sinful life not knowing that it was sinful?

My guess is that the Christian would say that if you continued to live your sinful life not knowing that it was sinful then you never truly accepted Jesus into your life.

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[The Transcended Omniverse]

My guess is that the Christian would say that if you continued to live your sinful life not knowing that it was sinful then you never truly accepted Jesus into your life.

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So once the person who has lived a sinful life (for example, the homosexual I mentioned) and this person was sent to hell, then doesn't he/she have one last chance to get out of hell and be saved? Especially if he/she lived this sinful way of life, not knowing that it was sinful. Such a person should have a chance to get out of hell once they have unknowingly brought themselves into it.

 

[Deeje]

I'd rather burn in hell for eternity than worship such a disgusting, hateful, spiteful, jealous, hypocritical God as the Bible.. At least I know I'll be in good company.

So yea, **** Jesus Christ and The Holy Trinity...

Hail Odin, Freyja and Thor

You should strip yourself of such backward beliefs and embrace occultism, paganism and philosophy.

Yep, invent gods who tell you what you want to hear.....

I don't personally believe in a burning hell for all eternity, but if there was such a place, I'd be careful what I wished for.....

 

[George-ananda]

Do innocent sinful people go to hell?

My opinion is that there is no permanent hell to go to. Each's afterlife experience will be appropriate for them.

 

[Skwim]

So once the person who has lived a sinful life (for example, the homosexual I mentioned) and this person was sent to hell, then doesn't he/she have one last chance to get out of hell and be saved?

Not that I've ever heard. As I understand the Christian heaven and hell, once you're there you're there for good. But maybe there is such a thing as getting your sentence reduced for good behavior.

Especially if he/she lived this sinful way of life, not knowing that it was sinful. Such a person should have a chance to get out of hell once they have unknowingly brought themselves into it.

Fine. Tell god what he should do and see how far you get. I honestly don't think he cares one wit what you think of his operation.


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[ThorirTheHound]

Yep, invent gods who tell you what you want to hear.....

I don't personally believe in a burning hell for all eternity, but if there was such a place, I'd be careful what I wished for.....

I haven't invented any God's, I am God. It's quit simple really.

You choose fear.

I choose enlightenment.

If the right hand path is your path then so be it, I chose the left.

 

[The Transcended Omniverse]

Not that I've ever heard. As I understand the Christian heaven and hell, once you're there you're there for good. But maybe there is such a thing as getting your sentence reduced for good behavior.

Fine. Tell god what he should do and see how far you get. I honestly don't think he cares one wit what you think of his operation.


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Is there any evidence at all that sinners go to hell for eternity?