Do innocent sinful people go to hell?

[URAVIP2ME]

These are all just narratives of third persons, they don't contain anything first person from Jesus. Jesus did not write anything himself or he never dictated anything to anybody. Right? Please
Regards

To me, ALL Scripture is inspired by God as recorded at 2 Timothy 3:16-17
According to Scripture, Jesus did say the words credited to him at his Sermon on the Mount, etc.
We all get to choose whether to accept the Scriptures or Not.
I can't find any reason to disregard what is written about Jesus.
Many have chosen 'religious tradition outside of Scripture', and accepting their religious customs as being Scripture.
That does Not make the Scriptures as wrong, but simply makes those tradition believers as wrong.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

What lives in the hearts of people is the memory of someone who lived many years ago. it is our mind that gives life to those who no longer live.

....and how does the memory get into the mind but in the case of Jesus through the writings of Scripture.
To me, what other person in history has had the effect on people as did Jesus' words recorded in Scripture.
Sure we have memory of Lincoln, Washington, etc. but they have Not affected People as Jesus does.
I think it was Napoleon who observed that while he was present he had an influence, but when Not present he did Not have the same influence, whereas Jesus (although Not visibly present ) still affects and influences people.
So, to me, it is Not just the recorded Scripture, but the 'life' or 'life-giving' religious truth found in Scripture that gives us life-giving information which we can use on a daily basis now and into all the future.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

i gave you the information. you're welcome to ignore it but that doesn't make it moot. if the mind won't grasp what is possible, then the mind has closed itself off from the Truth. its your way, or the High Way.
That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
zedek = righteous
priest = one put over others
the word melchizedek comes from two words
melchi = king
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zedek = righteousness
tzaddik = righteous one
The word " tzaddik" literally means "righteous one." The term refers to a completely righteous individual, and generally indicates that the person has spiritual or mystical power. A tzaddik is not necessarily a rebbe or a rabbi, but the rebbe of a Chasidic community is considered to be a tzaddik.

Huh, I don't understand how the ^ above ^ proves Jethro was: King/High Priest?
Sure, Jesus is both King and High Priest and Melchizedek was both King and High Priest.
No where could I find in Scripture that Jethro was both King and High Priest.

The foundation of righteous mankind does trace back ( Not to older Cain ) but righteous Abel - Matthew 23:35
Righteous Abel also was Not: King/High Priest.

 

[Fool]

Huh, I don't understand how the ^ above ^ proves Jethro was: King/High Priest?
Sure, Jesus is both King and High Priest and Melchizedek was both King and High Priest.
No where could I find in Scripture that Jethro was both King and High Priest.

The foundation of righteous mankind does trace back ( Not to older Cain ) but righteous Abel - Matthew 23:35
Righteous Abel also was Not: King/High Priest.

Jethro was a priest, one who is put over another to rule, or judge, or king.

it can be translated either way. i showed you how there was many righteous men prior to jesus. even jesus testifies to such.

actually abel was righteous because he too was a shepherd king; which could be a ruler. you keep looking at words at the expense of the idea being implied. moses tended the flock of jethro.

abraham too was a shepherd king

again the hebrew Kohen litterally means a ruler, a king, a priest. the word is first used in reference to Abraham and Melchizedek. the word Melchi can indicate a ruler, a priest, and a king. the word priest too.
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?strongs=H3548&t=KJV
Kohen

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Jethro was a priest, one who is put over another to rule, or judge, or king.
it can be translated either way. i showed you how there was many righteous men prior to jesus. even jesus testifies to such.
actually abel was righteous because he too was a shepherd king. you keep looking at words at the expense of the idea being implied. moses tended the flock of jethro.
abraham too was a shepherd king
again the hebrew Kohen litterally means a ruler, a king. the word is first used in reference to Abraham and Melchizedek
Kohen

Who is besides Jesus being both 'KING & HIGH PRIEST' and Melchizedek being both 'KING & HIGH PRIEST'
What verse in Scripture refers to Jethro as being HIGH PRIEST and KING
What verse in Scripture refers to Abel as being HIGH PRIEST and KING
What verse in Scripture refers to Abraham as being HIGH PRIEST and KING
To me, the humble RIGHTEOUS ' sheep ' of Matthew 25:37 are Not HIGH PRIESTS and KINGS but they are declared as being RIGHTEOUS - Matthew 25:31-33,37

 

[Fool]

Who is besides Jesus being both 'KING & HIGH PRIEST' and Melchizedek being both 'KING & HIGH PRIEST'
What verse in Scripture refers to Jethro as being HIGH PRIEST and KING
What verse in Scripture refers to Abel as being HIGH PRIEST and KING
What verse in Scripture refers to Abraham as being HIGH PRIEST and KING
To me, the humble RIGHTEOUS ' sheep ' of Matthew 25:37 are Not HIGH PRIESTS and KINGS but they are declared as being RIGHTEOUS - Matthew 25:31-33,37

in ancient times a priest was a king and vice versa.

melchizedek was considered both

unlike today, a ruler was also a priest, or a judge, or a king. we don't see the idea of a king until saul vs samuel, prior to that prophets judged the people. a priest was a judge of God. he ministered for God among men.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

in ancient times a priest was a king and vice versa.
melchizedek was considered both
unlike today, a ruler was also a priest, or a judge, or a king. we don't see the idea of a king until saul vs samuel, prior to that prophets judged the people. a priest was a judge of God. he ministered for God among men.

To me, the idea of a king (human king) is foretold with Sarah at Genesis 17:16 before Saul was first king.
Before Saul ' judges ' were used to judge people - Judges 2:18

The point I would like to emphasize is the word ""HIGH".
Only Jesus and Melchizedek are both titled as "HIGH" priest and king.
As it was only the "HIGH" priest who was annually allowed to enter the Most Holy compartment of the temple.
That "HIGH" priest was Not also a king. That "HIGH" priest represented Jesus as being "HIGH" priest.
However, unlike that "HIGH" priest, only Jesus and Melchizedek were titled both as king and "HIGH" priest.

To me, 2 Chronicles 26:16-18 is showing the king was given political power, and the priest was given religious responsibilities, they were Not supposed to interfere with each others duties.
The king (political) could Not burn incense upon the altar, whereas the priests (religious) could and did.

 

[Fool]

To me, the idea of a king (human king) is foretold with Sarah at Genesis 17:16 before Saul was first king.
Before Saul ' judges ' were used to judge people - Judges 2:18

The point I would like to emphasize is the word ""HIGH".
Only Jesus and Melchizedek are both titled as "HIGH" priest and king.
As it was only the "HIGH" priest who was annually allowed to enter the Most Holy compartment of the temple.
That "HIGH" priest was Not also a king. That "HIGH" priest represented Jesus as being "HIGH" priest.
However, unlike that "HIGH" priest, only Jesus and Melchizedek were titled both as king and "HIGH" priest.

To me, 2 Chronicles 26:16-18 is showing the king was given political power, and the priest was given religious responsibilities, they were Not supposed to interfere with each others duties.
The king (political) could Not burn incense upon the altar, whereas the priests (religious) could and did.

i already know this. kings judge, that make them judges. the Lamb sits on the judgment seat. everyone judges but not everyone judges righteously and equitably.

melchizedek was a high priest and the king of salem.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

i already know this. kings judge, that make them judges. the Lamb sits on the judgment seat. everyone judges but not everyone judges righteously and equitably.
melchizedek was a high priest and the king of salem.

Agree, yes, Melchizedek (and Jesus) as high priest and king, but just that Jethro was Not a HIGH priest.

Because Jesus can read hearts ( Not judge by the mere appearance to the eyes ) Jesus can judge everyone righteously and equitably - Isaiah 11:3-4; Matthew 25:31-33,37; Proverbs 2:21-22; Matthew 5:5

To me, that means that No one wicked will be around to be part of Jesus' millennium-long judgement day over Earth.
Even if look for the wicked we will Not find any - Psalms 37:10-11

 

[Fool]

Agree, yes, Melchizedek (and Jesus) as high priest and king, but just that Jethro was Not a HIGH priest.

Because Jesus can read hearts ( Not judge by the mere appearance to the eyes ) Jesus can judge everyone righteously and equitably - Isaiah 11:3-4; Matthew 25:31-33,37; Proverbs 2:21-22; Matthew 5:5

To me, that means that No one wicked will be around to be part of Jesus' millennium-long judgement day over Earth.
Even if look for the wicked we will Not find any - Psalms 37:10-11

what "that means" to you is irrelevant to what is the Truth. God isn't a respecter of persons; even if you are. God is the God of all. Jesus isn't exclusively "El".

the word melchi means both king and priest. melchizedek is a title. it isn't the actual name of the person.

jesus doesn't mean king or priest. yet one who was a priest was also a ruler, a judge, a king.

case in point the High Priest of the Temple in Jerusalem

Jethro was a high priest of El and a ruler over his people. That is what a priest did during those times.

Jethro
R. Joshua and R. Eleazar ha-Moda'i disagree as to Jethro's position in Midian: according to one, the words "kohen Midyan" mean that he was the priest of Midian; according to the other, "prince of Midian" (Mek. l.c.; Ex. R. xxvii. 2). The opinion that Jethro was a priest is met with in Ex. R. i. 35 and in Tan., Yitro, 5. It is further said (Ex. R. l.c.) that Jethro, having remarked that the worship of an idol was foolish, abandoned it. The Midianites therefore excommunicated him, and none would keep his flocks; so that his daughters were compelled to tend them and were ill-treated by the shepherds. This, however, is in conflict with another statement, to the effect that Jethro gave his daughter Zipporah to Moses on condition that their first son should be brought up in the worship of idols, and that Moses swore to respect this condition (Mek. l.c.; Yalḳ., Ex. 169).

 

[paarsurrey]

Do innocent sinful people go to hell?

Quran does not mention that innocent people will go to hell.
Right? Please
Regards

 

[URAVIP2ME]

what "that means" to you is irrelevant to what is the Truth. God isn't a respecter of persons; even if you are. God is the God of all. Jesus isn't exclusively "El".
the word melchi means both king and priest. melchizedek is a title. it isn't the actual name of the person.
jesus doesn't mean king or priest. yet one who was a priest was also a ruler, a judge, a king.
case in point the High Priest of the Temple in Jerusalem
Jethro was a high priest of El and a ruler over his people. That is what a priest did during those times.
Jethro
R. Joshua and R. Eleazar ha-Moda'i disagree as to Jethro's position in Midian: according to one, the words "kohen Midyan" mean that he was the priest of Midian; according to the other, "prince of Midian" (Mek. l.c.; Ex. R. xxvii. 2). The opinion that Jethro was a priest is met with in Ex. R. i. 35 and in Tan., Yitro, 5. It is further said (Ex. R. l.c.) that Jethro, having remarked that the worship of an idol was foolish, abandoned it. The Midianites therefore excommunicated him, and none would keep his flocks; so that his daughters were compelled to tend them and were ill-treated by the shepherds. This, however, is in conflict with another statement, to the effect that Jethro gave his daughter Zipporah to Moses on condition that their first son should be brought up in the worship of idols, and that Moses swore to respect this condition (Mek. l.c.; Yalḳ., Ex. 169).

Again, how can Jethro be a "HIGH" priest when Scripture only connects Jesus and Melchizedek as "HIGH" priest ?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Do innocent sinful people go to hell?
Quran does not mention that innocent people will go to hell.
Right? Please
Regards

To me, even though the Qu'ran does Not mention innocent people going to hell, the Bible still does.
Innocent Jesus, on the day he died, dead Jesus went to 'biblical hell' ( the grave for the sleeping dead )
- Acts of the Apostles 2:27; Psalms 16:10

So, the Bible's temporary hell (grave) is for both righteous and unrighteous persons until Resurrection Day.
That is why Acts of the Apostles 24:15 uses the ' future tense ' that there ' is going to be ' a resurrection......
Resurrection Day is Jesus' millennium-long day of governing over Earth when most of the dead will be awakened from death's deep sleep to a happy-and-healthy physical resurrection on a beautiful paradisical Earth.
Sleeping in death, Not suffering in death, just as Jesus and the old Hebrew Scriptures teach:
- John 11:12-14; Psalms 115:17; Psalms 146:4; Ecclesiastes 9:5; Daniel 12:2; Daniel 12:13

 

[Fool]

Again, how can Jethro be a "HIGH" priest when Scripture only connects Jesus and Melchizedek as "HIGH" priest ?

why do you not worship melchizedek is the real question. or why not worship balaam, or jethro, or job; which were all priests of El..


Kohen

The KJV translates Strong's H3548 in the following manner: priest (744x), own (2x), chief ruler (2x), officer (1x), princes (1x).

 

[paarsurrey]

To me, even though the Qu'ran does Not mention innocent people going to hell, the Bible still does.
Innocent Jesus, on the day he died, dead Jesus went to 'biblical hell' ( the grave for the sleeping dead )
- Acts of the Apostles 2:27; Psalms 16:10

So, the Bible's temporary hell (grave) is for both righteous and unrighteous persons until Resurrection Day.
That is why Acts of the Apostles 24:15 uses the ' future tense ' that there ' is going to be ' a resurrection......
Resurrection Day is Jesus' millennium-long day of governing over Earth when most of the dead will be awakened from death's deep sleep to a happy-and-healthy physical resurrection on a beautiful paradisical Earth.
Sleeping in death, Not suffering in death, just as Jesus and the old Hebrew Scriptures teach:
- John 11:12-14; Psalms 115:17; Psalms 146:4; Ecclesiastes 9:5; Daniel 12:2; Daniel 12:13

Bible should be understood under the reformed Revelation of Quran.
Bible is not literally Word of G-d. it is not even written by Jesus. It is word of the narrators/scribes and clergy.

Regards

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Bible should be understood under the reformed Revelation of Quran.
Bible is not literally Word of G-d. it is not even written by Jesus. It is word of the narrators/scribes and clergy.
Regards

... and regards to you also.
... and true some parts of Scripture are Not literal but symbolic, as found in Revelation's vivid word pictures.
... and also true to me, Not written by Jesus but by God's spirit which He sends forth - Psalms 104:30
- Exodus 31:20; Luke 11:13 B; Luke 11:20; Matthew 12:28; Matthew 24:36
The Bible teaches that ALL of the Bible is inspired by God - 2 Timothy 3:16-17
As far as the word of clergy, even in Jesus' day ' false clergy' were teaching false religious teachings as Jesus brings to our attention at Matthew 15:9. See also Matthew chapter 23 the ' woes ' Jesus said against them.
We are also forewarned at Acts of the Apostles 20:29-30 to watch out for false clergy.

To me, there is nothing to be reformed about what Jesus instructed at Matthew 24:14; Acts of the Apostles 1:8 and my reason why is because just exactly as Jesus' recorded words foretold the good news (gospel) about God's kingdom government has now reached the global, grand international scale of reaching people world wide as never before in history.
Besides being at that ' final phase ' of proclaiming the good news about Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental rulership coming to earth, we are also nearing the ' final signal ', so to speak, when ' they' (powers that be) will be saying, " Peace and Security " as a precursor to the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14 before Jesus, as Prince of Peace, will usher in global Peace on Earth among men of goodwill. - 1 Thessalonians 5:-3

I think we both have a concept about a beautiful paradisical Earth as Eden originally was.
Revelation 22:2 paints a beautiful vivid word picture how mankind will see the return of the Genesis ' tree of life ' on earth for the purpose of healing earth's nations. That, to me, is what Jesus will literally bring about during his reign over Earth.
- Psalms 72:8; Psalms 72:12-14