Do innocent sinful people go to hell?

[Ben Avraham]

Love is an eternal law. Those who do not exercise this are not living according to what Jesus taught.

Jesus didn't teach Christians to split into 40,000 sects. To me a Christian has no voice in religion or God or the Bible while they proclaim Christ to be saviour but have no unity and agreement amongst themselves.

If Christ would come today He would disown current Christianity as nothing to do with what He taught. And He did come and has completely turned His back on the current sects which claim to be representative of Him.

If Christians can't be united in one faith and can't present a united front to the world then they have nothing to teach us about love of God or Jesus or religion.

You can't come to humanity offering forty thousand sects and ask us to follow. To me that is the hell Christianity are in. How to say to humanity you have the truth when you cannot agree amongst yourselves.

Jesus never taught Christians any thing at all. Jesus never even dreamed that Christianity would ever rise. When Paul showed up in the horizon teaching his gospel, Jesus had been gone for a long time, about 30 or 40 years. And sorry if I have to rain on your parade but, he will never return. According to Psalm 49:12, Sheol aka the grave is our eternal home. The only thing eternal there is about man. Regarding love, it never goes hand-in-hand with the law. Love is an emotion and, emotions can be controlled but not by laws. However, it is subject to Freewill.

 

[Ben Avraham]

Judaism got the Name of names from the egyptian mystery religion. The Name is from Exodus 3:14.

Well, I confess I have never heard of that. I thought you previously meant the name "Judaism". Now, that I see that you meant God's name revealed to Moses, I still confess my ignorance of the relation with Egyptian mystery cult.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Jesus never taught Christians any thing at all. Jesus never even dreamed that Christianity would ever rise. When Paul showed up in the horizon teaching his gospel, Jesus had been gone for a long time, about 30 or 40 years. And sorry if I have to rain on your parade but, he will never return. According to Psalm 49:12, Sheol aka the grave is our eternal home. The only thing eternal there is about man. Regarding love, it never goes hand-in-hand with the law. Love is an emotion and, emotions can be controlled but not by laws. However, it is subject to Freewill.

I don't know your beliefs but I view Jesus as an Immortal and of God and that He has Divine knowledge which encompassed all things past and present.

Psalms to me is just speaking about the temporal nature of earthly wealth and dominion. But our souls and spirits live on as energy cannot be destroyed and the mind is a very powerful form of energy.

As to love if it governed all our relationships what a fantastic world we would have instead of this materialistic consumerism.

 

[Ben Avraham]

I don't know your beliefs but I view Jesus as an Immortal and of God and that He has Divine knowledge which encompassed all things past and present.

Psalms to me is just speaking about the temporal nature of earthly wealth and dominion. But our souls and spirits live on as energy cannot be destroyed and the mind is a very powerful form of energy.

As to love if it governed all our relationships what a fantastic world we would have instead of this materialistic consumerism.

Jesus is no long any thing and he cannot make use of any thing else if you read Ecclesiastes 9:5,6. In a word, Loverofhumanity, Jesus is dead and there is nothing you can do to prove otherwise. BTW, there is, faith but, according to Paul in II Corinthians 5:7 faith is the opposite of sight which means understanding. Well, the day when the sun of faith rises in the morning, that's the day when the sun of knowledge sets in the evening.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Jesus is no long any thing and he cannot make use of any thing else if you read Ecclesiastes 9:5,6. In a word, Loverofhumanity, Jesus is dead and there is nothing you can do to prove otherwise. BTW, there is, faith but, according to Paul in II Corinthians 5:7 faith is the opposite of sight which means understanding. Well, the day when the sun of faith rises in the morning, that's the day when the sun of knowledge sets in the evening.

Jesus the man is dead but Jesus the reality, lives in the minds and hearts.

 

[Fool]

To me, Jesus is the singular Messiah ( anointed one ) descendant from Abraham through Isaac.
Those who rule with Jesus in the heavens are 'plural ' anointed ones, but Not as King and High Priest as Jesus is.

Melchizedek is the first King of Righteousness and the First High Priest. Even Jethro of Midian was one. Jesus isn't even the first, or the 2nd.

They are co-rulers with Jesus for a thousand years over Earth, or over earthly subjects of God's kingdom.
- Psalms 72:8; Psalms 72:12-14 They are the ' little flock ' of lambs of Luke 12:32
Whereas, the earthly subjects are the ' other sheep ' of John 10:16

you're hung up on flocks vs all flocks are made up of a group of sheep. sheep are still sheep no matter where they come from and what they look like. people don't reap what they wear, or how they look. they reap what they sow, or do. calling one's self christian and wearing sheep's clothing isn't going to get someone into the kingdom of God. pretty is as pretty does.

5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; 6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

Since God's judgement is already recorded in Scripture we do have to judge God's judgement.
We can't read hearts, so we need not just impute wrong or bad motives to others.
However, according to Isaiah 11:3-4 Jesus can and will read hearts - Revelation 19:14-16

Love is the everlasting Kingdom. If Jesus has to search, he, the personality Jesus, isn't omnipresent. And yes people can read people's hearts and minds because out of the mouth the heart and mind speaks.

The Lord’s spirit will rest on him—
a spirit that gives extraordinary wisdom,
a spirit that provides the ability to execute plans,
a spirit that produces absolute loyalty to the Lord.

the Spirit of Love is comforting. Jesus was a comforter. And another ONE is coming

And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

 

[Fool]

Well, I confess I have never heard of that. I thought you previously meant the name "Judaism". Now, that I see that you meant God's name revealed to Moses, I still confess my ignorance of the relation with Egyptian mystery cult.

If Moses really existed and he really was part of the theocracy of the pharoah's household, he would have been given the name. immersion into the name dispels the darkness as everything is brought to love and light.

 

[Fool]

Well, I confess I have never heard of that. I thought you previously meant the name "Judaism". Now, that I see that you meant God's name revealed to Moses, I still confess my ignorance of the relation with Egyptian mystery cult.

you've never heard of the great cackler?

you should consider taking a gander

Symbolism of the Serpent

 

[Ben Avraham]

Jesus the man is dead but Jesus the reality, lives in the minds and hearts.

That's true! Only that what lives in the minds and hearts of Christians is the memory of Jesus; and that's no longer reality.

 

[loverofhumanity]

That's true! Only that what lives in the minds and hearts of Christians is the memory of Jesus; and that's no longer reality.

True. If they all,believed in the same reality of Jesus they would be united. But they worship different ideas about Jesus that conflict with each other so they find themselves split into sects.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Melchizedek is the first King of Righteousness and the First High Priest. Even Jethro of Midian was one. Jesus isn't even the first, or the 2nd.
you're hung up on flocks vs all flocks are made up of a group of sheep. sheep are still sheep no matter where they come from and what they look like. people don't reap what they wear, or how they look. they reap what they sow, or do. calling one's self christian and wearing sheep's clothing isn't going to get someone into the kingdom of God. pretty is as pretty does.
5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; 6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
Love is the everlasting Kingdom. If Jesus has to search, he, the personality Jesus, isn't omnipresent. And yes people can read people's hearts and minds because out of the mouth the heart and mind speaks.
The Lord’s spirit will rest on him—
a spirit that gives extraordinary wisdom,
a spirit that provides the ability to execute plans,
a spirit that produces absolute loyalty to the Lord.
the Spirit of Love is comforting. Jesus was a comforter. And another ONE is coming
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

To me, if people could read hearts then No body would be falling for con artists.- Isaiah 11:3-4
ALL the figurative ' sheep'-like ones of Matthew 25:31-33,37 can have an everlasting comforter.

Where does it say Jethro was 'High' Priest ?
Jethro was priest ( chieftain ) - Numbers 10:29; Exodus 2:15-16
Whereas, Melchizedek and Jesus are both 'King and High Priest'

 

[URAVIP2ME]

That's true! Only that what lives in the minds and hearts of Christians is the memory of Jesus; and that's no longer reality.

I don't understand, Isn't the life of Jesus recorded in Scripture, so what is in the heart and mind is found in already recorded Scripture.

 

[Fool]

To me, if people could read hearts then No body would be falling for con artists.- Isaiah 11:3-4

idolatry to anything is strictly forbiddened throughout the bible. you can't realize what your mind can't grasp as possible. God so loved the world. His/Her creation, offspring.


18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

ALL the figurative ' sheep'-like ones of Matthew 25:31-33,37 can have an everlasting comforter.

I AM with you always. Blessed is he who comes in the Name.

Where does it say Jethro was 'High' Priest ?
Jethro was priest ( chieftain ) - Numbers 10:29; Exodus 2:15-16
Whereas, Melchizedek and Jesus are both 'King and High Priest'

12 And Jethro, Moses' father in law, took a burnt offering and sacrifices for God: and Aaron came, and all the elders of Israel, to eat bread with Moses' father in law before God.

Exodus 18 Commentary - James Burton Coffman Commentaries on the Bible

As a priest of the Kenites living in Midian, the question arises as to which deity or deities Jethro worshiped. The chief god El was known both to Canaanites and the Israelites, and the name Reuel, like many Semitic names of the era, contains the theophoric syllable el. The worship of El by Jethro would thus be unsurprising. But did Jethro already worship the Hebrew God Yahweh before meeting Moses? Biblical scholars point to the fact that Moses himself learned of God's true name (Yahweh) only after his stay in Midian with Jethro. In the story of the burning bush, God declares:

Balaam too had knowledge of the most High

 

[URAVIP2ME]

idolatry to anything is strictly forbiddened throughout the bible. you can't realize what your mind can't grasp as possible. God so loved the world. His/Her creation, offspring.
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
I AM with you always. Blessed is he who comes in the Name.
12 And Jethro, Moses' father in law, took a burnt offering and sacrifices for God: and Aaron came, and all the elders of Israel, to eat bread with Moses' father in law before God.
Exodus 18 Commentary - James Burton Coffman Commentaries on the Bible
As a priest of the Kenites living in Midian, the question arises as to which deity or deities Jethro worshiped. The chief god El was known both to Canaanites and the Israelites, and the name Reuel, like many Semitic names of the era, contains the theophoric syllable el. The worship of El by Jethro would thus be unsurprising. But did Jethro already worship the Hebrew God Yahweh before meeting Moses? Biblical scholars point to the fact that Moses himself learned of God's true name (Yahweh) only after his stay in Midian with Jethro. In the story of the burning bush, God declares:
Balaam too had knowledge of the most High

Balaam too had knowledge of the Most High "God".
So, that to me is meaning Not most High Priest but Almighty God.
Jethro was priest, and so was Aaron, but No where does it say Jethro was 'both' High Priest and King.
Both Melchizedek and Jesus have both positions combined as being both High Priest and King, but Not Jethro.

 

[Fool]

Balaam too had knowledge of the Most High "God".
So, that to me is meaning Not most High Priest but Almighty God.
Jethro was priest, and so was Aaron, but No where does it say Jethro was 'both' High Priest and King.
Both Melchizedek and Jesus have both positions combined as being both High Priest and King, but Not Jethro.

jethro was king of midian and high priest of El.

a shepherd prince, a kohen, not only a priest but a king over the people; which is what balaam was too. jethro taught moses how to judge the people. jethro was a judge a ruler; which is how God ruled the people before kings came to be.

Genesis Chapter 1 (KJV)

Topical Bible: Jethro


"Moses' father-in-law," a shepherd-prince or priest of Midian,

 

[URAVIP2ME]

jethro was king of midian and high priest of El.
a shepherd prince, a kohen, not only a priest but a king over the people; which is what balaam was too. jethro taught moses how to judge the people. jethro was a judge a ruler; which is how God ruled the people before kings came to be.
"Moses' father-in-law," a shepherd-prince or priest of Midian,

Please post the verses where in Genesis about Jethro.
Jethro was priest (chieftain) in Midian - Exodus 3:1; Exodus 2:16 - it does Not say Jethro was high priest or king.
Yes, Jethro was priest of God (EL) - Exodus 18:10-12, it does Not say high priest.
What verses say Jethro is both King and High Priest.

 

[Fool]

Please post the verses where in Genesis about Jethro.
Jethro was priest (chieftain) in Midian - Exodus 3:1; Exodus 2:16 - it does Not say Jethro was high priest or king.
Yes, Jethro was priest of God (EL) - Exodus 18:10-12, it does Not say high priest.
What verses say Jethro is both King and High Priest.

i gave you the information. you're welcome to ignore it but that doesn't make it moot. if the mind won't grasp what is possible, then the mind has closed itself off from the Truth. its your way, or the High Way.

That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

zedek = righteous
priest = one put over others

the word melchizedek comes from two words

melchi = king
+
zedek = righteousness

tzaddik = righteous one

The word " tzaddik" literally means "righteous one." The term refers to a completely righteous individual, and generally indicates that the person has spiritual or mystical power. A tzaddik is not necessarily a rebbe or a rabbi, but the rebbe of a Chasidic community is considered to be a tzaddik.

 

[Ben Avraham]

I don't understand, Isn't the life of Jesus recorded in Scripture, so what is in the heart and mind is found in already recorded Scripture.

What lives in the hearts of people is the memory of someone who lived many years ago. it is our mind that gives life to those who no longer live.

 

[Ben Avraham]

True. If they all,believed in the same reality of Jesus they would be united. But they worship different ideas about Jesus that conflict with each other so they find themselves split into sects.

I totally agree with you.

 

[paarsurrey]

If Romans has nothing to do with Jesus - Luke 4:43; Matthew 24:14; Acts of the Apostles 1:8
then, how do you explain Romans 10:10-12; Romans 10:13-15; Romans 10:17 ?

Haven't some scholars termed Romans as being a 5th Gospel ?
Truly, didn't those Romans get the best of news from what was written to them ?

These are all just narratives of third persons, they don't contain anything first person from Jesus. Jesus did not write anything himself or he never dictated anything to anybody. Right? Please

Regards