Do Muslims really want to take over?

[beenie]

That question is asked tongue-in-cheek, and is directed at the members who think we Muslims want to take over the world, dominate, and implement shariah.

My question is two-fold: how many Muslims have knocked on your door and asked you if you've accepted Muhammad in your life? How many pamphlets have muslims handed you either on your doorstep or on the streets of any downtown? How many Muslims have approached you in public and asked you if you've been saved? How many Muslim missionaries have gone into Christian countries to help out while spreading the message?

Now ask yourselves the same question substituting various sects of Christianity and see who wants to rule. Muslims are doing a pretty shabby job of dominating compared to the Christians...

Before you start in with radical Islam, terrorist activity, and conquests thousands of years ago...terrorist attacks are not trying to convert anyone; those are completely asinine acts that are not on topic here. I'm talking about peaceful missionary/dawah issues that both religions practice.

 

[Storm]

OK, I tend to stay out of the Islam/ Middle-Eastern politics threads, because no one ever listens and they all turn into flame wars. Hopefully, this one will be better.

Anyway, I don't conflate "radical Islam" with Islam as a whole, but that's not to say it doesn't worry me.

One thing I've observed on this forum is that many of our Muslim members seem to be more concerned with defending the faith than denouncing those who pervert it. A common tactic is "they're not really Muslim." To outsiders, this comes off as hiding your heads in the sand, and THAT worries me, too. If the Islamic community won't rid itself of these rabid murderers, what are their targets (Westerners) to do? We CAN'T reform, only attack.

As for your comparison... Christian proselytizers may be significantly more numerous (and annoying), but they're not out killing thousands of people. Still, I laughed.

 

[Breathe]

How many pamphlets have muslims handed you <<snip for relevancy>> or on the streets of any downtown?

Absolutely loads!

How many Muslims have approached you in public] and asked you if you've been saved?

Still absolutely loads! (Although not like "Excuse me sir, have you heard the good news?", lol )

I can often get preached at about three times a week by Muslims, strangely, but that's a rather active week. I'm like honey to preachers of all faiths though for some reason.


Although I get your point.

 

[Thesavorofpan]

I'm like honey to preachers of all faiths though for some reason.

Must....preach to you...

 

[beenie]

OK, I tend to stay out of the Islam/ Middle-Eastern politics threads, because no one ever listens and they all turn into flame wars. Hopefully, this one will be better.

Anyway, I don't conflate "radical Islam" with Islam as a whole, but that's not to say it doesn't worry me.

One thing I've observed on this forum is that many of our Muslim members seem to be more concerned with defending the faith than denouncing those who pervert it. A common tactic is "they're not really Muslim." To outsiders, this comes off as hiding your heads in the sand, and THAT worries me, too. If the Islamic community won't rid itself of these rabid murderers, what are their targets (Westerners) to do? We CAN'T reform, only attack.

As for your comparison... Christian proselytizers may be significantly more numerous (and annoying), but they're not out killing thousands of people. Still, I laughed.

radical Islam worries the living hell out of me too, and i don't say "they're not Muslims", but i will say that they have warped the message to suit their needs. they do need to be eradicated, because once they feel they are so desperate, they also feel they have nothing to lose...and that scares me to death too.

again, i am not talking about the radicals who murder people...clearly they are not for conversion and conquer; they are out for their twisted form of revenge or a warped sense of supremacy. surely you can't convert those you kill.

 

[beenie]

Absolutely loads!


Still absolutely loads! (Although not like "Excuse me sir, have you heard the good news?", lol )

I can often get preached at about three times a week by Muslims, strangely, but that's a rather active week. I'm like honey to preachers of all faiths though for some reason.


Although I get your point.

lol i'm going to go out on a limb and predict that you are in the minority.

 

[Thesavorofpan]

That question is asked tongue-in-cheek, and is directed at the members who think we Muslims want to take over the world, dominate, and implement shariah.

My question is two-fold: how many Muslims have knocked on your door and asked you if you've accepted Muhammad in your life? How many pamphlets have muslims handed you either on your doorstep or on the streets of any downtown? How many Muslims have approached you in public and asked you if you've been saved? How many Muslim missionaries have gone into Christian countries to help out while spreading the message?

Now ask yourselves the same question substituting various sects of Christianity and see who wants to rule. Muslims are doing a pretty shabby job of dominating compared to the Christians...

Before you start in with radical Islam, terrorist activity, and conquests thousands of years ago...terrorist attacks are not trying to convert anyone; those are completely asinine acts that are not on topic here. I'm talking about peaceful missionary/dawah issues that both religions practice.

Wow, if you think Christianity is trying to take over the world then you can be included in the radical Islam section.

Trust me we Christians don't want to rule the world that makes it political and the true gospel won't be able to shine then.

 

[Smoke]

I can often get preached at about three times a week by Muslims, strangely, but that's a rather active week. I'm like honey to preachers of all faiths though for some reason.

I am, too. In fact, I can be walking down a busy street, minding my own business, and nine out of ten crazy people will pick me as the one they can talk to. But I find that being gay is an advantage where missionaries are concerned. All but the most determined and deluded will break off the pursuit when you tell them they're gay. I guess they figure they could convert a dozen straight folks in the time it would take to clean me up for church.

I did have a Muslim woman tell me once that she was going to convert me to Islam and heterosexuality, but since I met her in a bar and we went dancing instead, I'm pretty sure she was kidding.

 

[beenie]

Wow, if you think Christianity is trying to take over the world then you can be included in the radical Islam section.

Trust me we Christians don't want to rule the world that makes it political and the true gospel won't be able to shine then.

you totally missed my point. read my first statement again:

That question is asked tongue-in-cheek, and is directed at the members who think we Muslims want to take over the world, dominate, and implement shariah.

i'm simply making the point that some people seem to think Muslims want to take over the world, and my point is that if that is the case, we're doing a horrible job. my examples about Christianity are simply pointing out one method versus another. geesh.

and calling me a radical Muslim is laughable.

 

[Smoke]

Wow, if you think Christianity is trying to take over the world then you can be included in the radical Islam section.

Trust me we Christians don't want to rule the world that makes it political and the true gospel won't be able to shine then.

There are plenty of Christians who do want to rule the world. It's pretty much the stated goal of the Religious Right, and papal delusions of God-given authority pretty much imply that obedience to the Pope is mandatory.

 

[Revoltingest]

Everyone wants to take over....except perhaps the Amish.

 

[Thesavorofpan]

There are plenty of Christians who do want to rule the world. It's pretty much the stated goal of the Religious Right, and papal delusions of God-given authority pretty much imply that obedience to the Pope is mandatory.

But Catholisim isn't Christianity. My Catholic friend hates it when I call Catholics christians.

 

[Storm]

radical Islam worries the living hell out of me too, and i don't say "they're not Muslims", but i will say that they have warped the message to suit their needs. they do need to be eradicated, because once they feel they are so desperate, they also feel they have nothing to lose...and that scares me to death too.

again, i am not talking about the radicals who murder people...clearly they are not for conversion and conquer; they are out for their twisted form of revenge or a warped sense of supremacy. surely you can't convert those you kill.

Yeah, I've never seen you pull the No True Scotsman. That's why I thought YOUR thread might be worth responding to.

 

[Thesavorofpan]

you totally missed my point. read my first statement again:



i'm simply making the point that some people seem to think Muslims want to take over the world, and my point is that if that is the case, we're doing a horrible job. my examples about Christianity are simply pointing out one method versus another. geesh.

and calling me a radical Muslim is laughable.

My bad, sorry.

 

[xkatz]

Everyone know it's the Jewish people who are taking over the world. After all, they already control the stock market, the EU, the World Bank, and the shadow government.

[/sarcasm]

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I suppose any culture/religion that feels it has a monopoly on the Truth and God, will have some leaning towards wanting to spread this Truth as far and wide as possible, at the very least as a mechanism to validate their own perspective. But, in the end, Islam has missed its chance, so although it's good to understand its collective motivations, it's largely irrelevant whether they want to take over or not.

 

[Breathe]

Must....preach to you...

Take a number and get in line.

lol i'm going to go out on a limb and predict that you are in the minority.

I think I am too.

I am, too. In fact, I can be walking down a busy street, minding my own business, and nine out of ten crazy people will pick me as the one they can talk to.

LOL! Pretty much that's what it's like for me.

There's one guy in my local area (Christian missionary) who preaches at me a lot. He always tells me about how Catholicism is wrong, and I shouldn't follow it. I have no idea why, though, I've told him a million times I'm not Catholic. He's been doing that since about 2005 whenever I see him..

 

[Smoke]

Everyone wants to take over....except perhaps the Amish.

Don't get me started on the Amish. I've still got things to do today.

 

[painted wolf]

I don't think either Islam or Christians want to take over per say.... but both faiths profess that they will eventually do so. (usually when God comes and ushers in his "paradise on Earth" scenario)

Some people on either side don't want to wait for God... so they insist that they have to move things along at their pace.

Either way, it's a disturbing ideology for those not in the "chosen" group, and I don't think that either religion can profess to be ignorant of the ramifications.

Indeed, IMHO it is this doctrine above all others that is the cause of so much strife between the two.

wa:do

 

[Revoltingest]

Don't get me started on the Amish. I've still got things to do today.

They compete with me at auctions for vintage machinery.
Feisty they are!