Do people really find God in life?

[sayak83]

When you detach from all material and exist in a pure state of nirvana you are void of all material. Becoming the immaterial, the void.

immaterial is not void.

 

[Frog]

Immaterial is the very definition of void.

immaterial is not void.

 

[sayak83]

Immaterial is the very definition of void.

No. Void is immaterial, true. But so are numbers, bits, structures, properties etc. Saying something is immaterial does not make it a void.

 

[Frog]

No. Void is immaterial, true. But so are numbers, bits, structures, properties etc. Saying something is immaterial does not make it a void.
immaterial is not void.

void
a. An empty space.
b. A vacuum.
2. An open space or a break in continuity; a gap.
3. A feeling or state of emptiness, loneliness, or loss
void
Containing no matter; empty.
2. Not occupied; unfilled.
3. Completely lacking; devoid: void of understanding. See Synonyms at empty.
4. Ineffective; useless.
5. Having no legal force or validity; null: a contract rendered void.
6. Games Lacking cards of a particular suit in a dealt hand.

immaterial
1. Of no importance or relevance; inconsequential or irrelevant. See Synonyms at irrelevant.
2. Having no material body or form
1. of no real importance; inconsequential
2. not formed of matter; incorporeal; spiritual

1. of no essential consequence; unimportant.
2. not material; incorporeal; spiritual.
immaterial

Sounds like to me they are essentially the same thing.

 

[Cacotopia]

I see nothing. There are things that remind me of some shape or the technique how it was made, but what's the point of interpreting? This is why people never invite me into art shows.

It can be nothing and it can be anything, that's the point of the piece,I'm not here to tell you what I see, it changes every time I look at it. sometime I don't see anything. And that is fine also. I think people are missing the point that you are supposed to be moved or inspired or made to think about something else.

I only go to art shows that I am invited to or where I am exhibiting, and even then I don't want to be there. Cause some person is gonna try to talk to me about art or what it makes them feel, I don't care, keep it to yourself. you like it cool thanks, buy it instead. I don't know why they feel like they need to tell me what they feel, or try to interpret what I was thinking what I was thinking while I was painting, it's never right anyways. I'll let you in on a secret, most of the time I am thinking about nothing at all, art's a way for me to escape my thoughts. lol this a bad sales pitch heheheh.

But really it's not a requirement to say, feel, think, be inspired, etc etc anything about it.

 

[sayak83]

void
a. An empty space.
b. A vacuum.
2. An open space or a break in continuity; a gap.
3. A feeling or state of emptiness, loneliness, or loss
void
Containing no matter; empty.
2. Not occupied; unfilled.
3. Completely lacking; devoid: void of understanding. See Synonyms at empty.
4. Ineffective; useless.
5. Having no legal force or validity; null: a contract rendered void.
6. Games Lacking cards of a particular suit in a dealt hand.

immaterial
1. Of no importance or relevance; inconsequential or irrelevant. See Synonyms at irrelevant.
2. Having no material body or form
1. of no real importance; inconsequential
2. not formed of matter; incorporeal; spiritual

1. of no essential consequence; unimportant.
2. not material; incorporeal; spiritual.
immaterial

Sounds like to me they are essentially the same thing.

Again, you have difficulty in reading comprehension. There is no similarity between the two definitions.

 

[Frog]

Again, you have difficulty in reading comprehension. There is no similarity between the two definitions.

No, you just aren't seeing it. Saying that nirvana is not void is completely inaccurate. When you detach from all material and exist in a pure state of nirvana you are void of all material. Becoming the immaterial, the void. You are no longer human. as you never actually were
Merriam wester Immaterial: not consisting of matter : incorporeal
Merriam Webster Void
2: containing nothing Void space
: not occupied : vacant

• a void bishopric

not inhabited : deserted

 

[Frog]

Again, you have difficulty in reading comprehension. There is no similarity between the two definitions.

There is no difference between Nirvana and void. If you think there is some magical fairyland in your mind and all your problems will be erased, you are in crazy town ouh hahaa.
Living in the eternal now is the only actual nirvana you can experience. And that can only be felt in the void.

 

[sayak83]

No, you just aren't seeing it. Saying that nirvana is not void is completely inaccurate. When you detach from all material and exist in a pure state of nirvana you are void of all material. Becoming the immaterial, the void. You are no longer human. as you never actually were
Merriam wester Immaterial: not consisting of matter : incorporeal
Merriam Webster Void
2: containing nothing Void space
: not occupied : vacant

• a void bishopric

not inhabited : deserted

Sorry, but you are wrong. There are many immaterial entities that are not void. Like numbers...2,3, 100, pi etc.

 

[Frog]

Sorry, but you are wrong. There are many immaterial entities that are not void. Like numbers...2,3, 100, pi etc.

Numbers do not exist outside of thought. Where are the digits bro? Is this a matrix program? Of course numbers exist outside of thought but they only exist in humans. We can think them and use our animal minds to map our environments with them. I don't think chickens can count one two three jelly beans.
The only number that can exist is 1 in a universe

 

[sayak83]

Numbers do not exist outside of thought. Where are the digits bro? Is this a matrix program?

That's your belief. Very few people believe anything of that kind. For example 2+2 = 4 remains a truth even if no one thinks about it. However, a unicorn ceases to exist if no one thinks about it. Thus numbers are like any element of reality...they continue to hold and operate regardless of whether someone is there to think about it. Hence they are real. They are also immaterial. Thus real non-void immaterial things exist.
Proved.

 

[Frog]

That's your belief. Very few people believe anything of that kind. For example 2+2 = 4 remains a truth even if no one thinks about it. However, a unicorn ceases to exist if no one thinks about it. Thus numbers are like any element of reality...they continue to hold and operate regardless of whether someone is there to think about it. Hence they are real. They are also immaterial. Thus real non-void immaterial things exist.
Proved.

If a concept is judged true on human terms this makes it only true to humans. I am not saying numbers are material because they are not made by man and not physical. SHow me a number that has material. Numbers are immaterial they only exist in the mind.
Non-void immaterial things do not exist.

As a as a human child you are taught by human teachers a human concept. Made to count.

Math only works because its the only means humans have to grasp and infinitely complex omnipresence.

 

[sayak83]

If a concept is judged true on human terms this makes it only true to humans. I am not saying numbers are material because they are not made by man and not physical. SHow me a number that has material. Numbers are immaterial they only exist in the mind.
Non-void immaterial things do not exist.

As a as a human child you are taught by human teachers a human concept. Made to count.

Math only works because its the only means humans have to grasp and infinitely complex omnipresence.

Now you are talking nonsense. Just because you believe immaterial non-void entities can't exist and hence numbers must be made up fictions does not make that claim true. Sorry.
One can as well argue that matter itself is a mind made fiction as well and there are no material entities at all.

 

[Frog]

Now you are talking nonsense. Just because you believe immaterial non-void entities can't exist and hence numbers must be made up fictions does not make that claim true. Sorry.
One can as well argue that matter itself is a mind made fiction as well and there are no material entities at all.

HHMMMMMm..... NONONo never did I say numbers were fiction. ALthough they were made up by Humans or were already there in the human to begin with for him to analyze his world, perhaps one part of a larger assembly, completed?. Numbers are just an aspect humans decided to create to measure the world and his place in it. But they are only mental manifestations in the human mind and are immaterial. If you understand hermetic you will grasp that the human mind manifests our desires and we need to use our mind to do it in the physical word. You think up a house you build it. The immaterial and material do interact but do not exist on the same field or do they? Maybe through waves or something else? Electrical connections in the mind that come from the immaterial, enter in through the waves, and stimulate the material on wave form. FASCINATING

 

[sayak83]

HHMMMMMm..... NONONo never did I say numbers were fiction. ALthough they were made up by Humans or were already there in the human to begin with for him to analyze his world, perhaps one part of a larger assembly, completed?. Numbers are just an aspect humans decided to create to measure the world and his place in it. But they are only mental manifestations in the human mind and are immaterial. If you understand hermetic you will grasp that the human mind manifests our desires and we need to use our mind to do it in the physical word. You think up a house you build it. The immaterial and material do interact but do not exist on the same field or do they? Maybe through waves or something else? Electrical connections in the mind that come from the immaterial, enter in through the waves, and stimulate the material on wave form. FASCINATING

Entities are either real or fictional. If numbers are not fictions then they are real.
You just said that all immaterial things are void. Now you say this...
"The immaterial and material do interact but do not exist on the same field or do they? Maybe through waves or something else? Electrical connections in the mind that come from the immaterial, enter in through the waves, and stimulate the material on wave form."
This sentence ceases to make any sense if you replace immaterial with the word void, something that would not have mattered if they were one and the same.
"The void and material do interact but do not exist on the same field or do they? Maybe through waves or something else? Electrical connections in the mind that come from the void, enter in through the waves, and stimulate the material on wave form."

So...you yourself implicitly believe that that the immaterial is something other than the void.

 

[Frog]

You just said that all immaterial things are void. Now you say this...
"The immaterial and material do interact but do not exist on the same field or do they? Maybe through waves or something else? Electrical connections in the mind that come from the immaterial, enter in through the waves, and stimulate the material on wave form."

Whether it is possible For them too I would have to find scientific study proving that assumption. But there is no proof numbers are material because there is no such thing.

So...you yourself implicitly believe that that the immaterial is something other than the void.

I was merely brainstorming if it was possible for the immaterial and material to interact on waveform with each other. Numbers will never be material objects dude.

Entities are either real or fictional. If numbers are not fictions then they are real.

No, they exist in the mind which is immaterial, and are extrapolated through our physical form. You do not find numbers in nature as it is purely human concept. To go against nature is irrational.

 

[BilliardsBall]

My own person can't comprehend the fact as this, that the divine bread giver would hide himself from us and leave us to his own creation.
People say that life itself is God, how can that be if people can not find him in it? If man was made in Gods image how then when man makes his own creation that he is not found in those creations. I know what you would say but there is no way that an art of God proves God in art.

I personally believe in my own God. Nobody knows this God but me.

"People say that life itself is God, how can that be if people can not find him in it?"

The same way that fish in a tank don't know they exist inside water or a tank, or a tank in a room.

 

[Windwalker]

How can one man see something and another nothing whilst on equal standing? Does one need knowledge before he can see or does he need wisdom?

Not knowledge or wisdom, but openness. It really is nothing more than a matter of receptivity to see what is right before our own eyes, but we can't see it because we are looking somewhere else rather than at what is always there. That can happen at anytime to anyone, no matter who they are.

Whenever I feel disconnected, confused, anxious, isolated, etc., it's always because my mind is either in the past or the future. It's really nothing more than being receptive to seeing what is always already there. Nothing outside changes. It's just how we see reality that does. And that comes down to the will, and the choice to not believe the illusions of reality we tell ourselves about ourselves, others, and the world. Get rid of all of that first, and then what do we have left? What do we then see with all that out of the way?

Is a baby born with a doctrine in its head? Do the Eskimos go to hell? Would it be correct to say that others see nothing at all? I m not sure, They see what they want to see, and if everything is God than they see God.

Don't confuse different ideas people have about God, with the actuality that is God. Those are nothing but projections of the human ego attributed to a God they have never encountered, nor ever could since they are looking to their ideas. They are seeing what they want to see, as you say. They want to see an idea of themselves vindicated in the name of their religion. That is not God. That is not what inspires art. That is what inspires war.

 

[Windwalker]

How can we understand the same God when we fail to understand one another?

When we understand ourselves first.

 

[Segev Moran]

My own person can't comprehend the fact as this, that the divine bread giver would hide himself from us and leave us to his own creation.
People say that life itself is God, how can that be if people can not find him in it? If man was made in Gods image how then when man makes his own creation that he is not found in those creations. I know what you would say but there is no way that an art of God proves God in art.

I personally believe in my own God. Nobody knows this God but me.

What is the most important thing you "get" from your god? (not get as in value, rather idea or way of life)
?