Do people think about God?

[McBell]

You can not deny that our moral depravity is at a all time high!

How about you actually SHOW that it is?

 

[mycorrhiza]

You can not deny that our moral depravity is at a all time high!

Our "moral depravity" is actually at an all time low. There is less crime, there is less war and women and homosexuals have more rights than they have ever had. Slavery is gone, torture is forbidden in most places, less countries apply the death sentence, etc.

 

[Twilight Hue]

The facts are if a Bible and God believer is wrong then we die and there is nothing to worry or be concerned about.
But is they are right then alot of people will perish.Do they ever think about that?
Are you ever concerned that maybe it is true regardless what people have taught?
Do people think about that not believing offers more problems if your theory is wrong than your latter?
Does anyone reconize that since the great fall of Gods influence in America by taking him out of everything and pushing theories upon people has resulted in the wave of immoral and unvirtues people than before?

It's a good question and one I seriously considered for a long time during my COF and subsequent leaving Christianity. It was simply an acknowelgement that there was never any real interaction with God directly. Just inner feelings and other people which indicated something profound of which led me to where I am now as far as religion and introspection goes. As far as potential punishment by a deity goes there really was none making such warnings /threats in the first place. It's other people bringing that to the forefront and is indicated nowhere else.
As far as tragedy and disasters and anything else associated with misfourtune you will find that such things are non-discrimatory as far as those things are concerned irregardless of faith or lack of.

 

[cablescavenger]

The facts are if a Bible and God believer is wrong then we die and there is nothing to worry or be concerned about.
But is they are right then alot of people will perish.Do they ever think about that?
Are you ever concerned that maybe it is true regardless what people have taught?
Do people think about that not believing offers more problems if your theory is wrong than your latter?
Does anyone reconize that since the great fall of Gods influence in America by taking him out of everything and pushing theories upon people has resulted in the wave of immoral and unvirtues people than before?

Without evidence it is just a rant

 

[tumbleweed41]

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[EnochSDP]

Without evidence it is just a rant

there is plenty of evidence but you do not accept it.

 

[EnochSDP]

How about you actually SHOW that it is?

What do you consider moral?virtue?

 

[Looncall]

I find it amusing!You can not deny that our moral depravity is at a all time high!

I certainly can, and I strenuously do.

This might depend on who you are thinking of with your "our". If you mean among religious fundamentalists, I would be inclined to agree with you.

If you mean people in general, you are out of step with reality. I suspect that the moral depravity you refer to is just people escaping from the bondage of religious oppression and bigotry.

 

[EnochSDP]

Only in YOUR mind.

I strongly suspect that you are poised ready to toss out fallacy after fallacy...

For instance, I suspect that you will use the No true Scotsman Fallacy when it is pointed out that there are Christians who accept evolution.

They can christian it is just a title.I believe different than them and they do not stay true to the Bible.The biggest theme in the Bible is faith and trust in the Lord!

 

[EnochSDP]

Now i can go woth evolution if you stick inside a age that was beofre ours and we did not evolve from that we were created specifically.You think man is the most dominant species?We are only because of thought and intelligence to out wit animals.

 

[Falvlun]

The facts are if a Bible and God believer is wrong then we die and there is nothing to worry or be concerned about.
But is they are right then alot of people will perish.Do they ever think about that?
Are you ever concerned that maybe it is true regardless what people have taught?
Do people think about that not believing offers more problems if your theory is wrong than your latter?

The problem with this is that the same could be said about every other religious and non-religious belief. If Islam is true, then you'd be in just as much trouble as the atheists. If God prefers honesty and tolerance, certain atheists could be more favored than certain Christians. Etc, etc.

Furthermore, God probably wouldn't be amused that you are a Christian simply because the pay-out is better.

Since we don't know which faith or non-faith is the true one, Pascal's Wager doesn't really allow us to pick the most rational option, simply based upon expectation of reward.

Does anyone reconize that since the great fall of Gods influence in America by taking him out of everything and pushing theories upon people has resulted in the wave of immoral and unvirtues people than before?

For example?

 

[EnochSDP]

It's a good question and one I seriously considered for a long time during my COF and subsequent leaving Christianity. It was simply an acknowelgement that there was never any real interaction with God directly. Just inner feelings and other people which indicated something profound of which led me to where I am now as far as religion and introspection goes. As far as potential punishment by a deity goes there really was none making such warnings /threats in the first place. It's other people bringing that to the forefront and is indicated nowhere else.
As far as tragedy and disasters and anything else associated with misfourtune you will find that such things are non-discrimatory as far as those things are concerned irregardless of faith or lack of.

That is true and that is why either you have the faith and belief or you do not.I know I can not require you to see things my way the way i see things and in turn you can make see it your way.I do not know if you was heavy believer in the Lord and could not feel his presence.I do.Its a sense.Its a inner knowing.

 

[9Westy9]

there is plenty of evidence but you do not accept it.

Then maybe you should ask yourself why we don't accept the 'evidence'

What do you consider moral?virtue?

not stoning homosexuals for one. Another is allowing other humans the same basic rights we allow for ourselves.

They can christian it is just a title.I believe different than them and they do not stay true to the Bible.The biggest theme in the Bible is faith and trust in the Lord!

Because the bible is never wrong about science

 

[EnochSDP]

Then maybe you should ask yourself why we don't accept the 'evidence'



not stoning homosexuals for one. Another is allowing other humans the same basic rights we allow for ourselves.



Because the bible is never wrong about science

The Bible is a complete history book and scientific book.Showing you things within our spectrum and things outside our soectrum and man witnessing that there are things outside our spectrum and the God that was allowing them to know this was the God of Gods.The Creator God.Ive been told i can not try to convience anything just talk by private messages so.....i do not need to prove anything.God has proved himself to those that can see an to those that will not or just can not it is sad and I will always talk about the Lord God!

 

[EnochSDP]

The problem with this is that the same could be said about every other religious and non-religious belief. If Islam is true, then you'd be in just as much trouble as the atheists. If God prefers honesty and tolerance, certain atheists could be more favored than certain Christians. Etc, etc.

Furthermore, God probably wouldn't be amused that you are a Christian simply because the pay-out is better.

Since we don't know which faith or non-faith is the true one, Pascal's Wager doesn't really allow us to pick the most rational option, simply based upon expectation of reward.


For example?

I has nothing to do with that.It is this the truth that created set a period when he showed he was real throughout the earth by judgement or blessing.Then came the empires and then Jesus Christ who was the lamb that would be sacrificed for all men.and did.By that all men throughout the earth could worship God through Jesus Christ.Though any nation that refuses or turns against God will be judged.Lets look America has been a wealthy and strong nation why?really?Because Christians believeing in God reigned.Belief in God.Bible regiend throughout this nation.We have threw that away what do we have now?We have massive debts.We are crumbling in buisness and actual wealth.because we are turning away.Israel is rising agin they are plentyful.

 

[Falvlun]

I has nothing to do with that.It is this the truth that created set a period when he showed he was real throughout the earth by judgement or blessing.Then came the empires and then Jesus Christ who was the lamb that would be sacrificed for all men.and did.By that all men throughout the earth could worship God through Jesus Christ.Though any nation that refuses or turns against God will be judged.Lets look America has been a wealthy and strong nation why?really?Because Christians believeing in God reigned.Belief in God.Bible regiend throughout this nation.We have threw that away what do we have now?We have massive debts.We are crumbling in buisness and actual wealth.because we are turning away.Israel is rising agin they are plentyful.

Ah, I see you have dropped Pascal's Wager.

Rome was also a very powerful empire, but they didn't believe in the Christian God. So how did they become powerful?

We had around this much debt after WWII, so it's not like it's never happened before. Also, a lot of the current debt is due to the wars GWB got is in... that he supported in part b/c he thought God wanted him to.

Personally, I think our economic problems are largely b/c we are lazier, and not because we are less religious. I'm not saying this to convince you (I doubt anyone could) but just to point out that there are other interpretations for why America is stumbling right now.

Also, your english is really hard to understand. It would help if you put spaces after punctuation.

 

[Father Heathen]

The facts are if a Bible and God believer is wrong then we die and there is nothing to worry or be concerned about.
But is they are right then alot of people will perish.Do they ever think about that?

Or what of the Hindus are right? You best convert, pick up and read the Gita and pray for Krishna just to be on the same side, right?

Pascal's wager is a logical fallacy, as it suggests that only atheism and Christianity are the only two possibilities; ignoring countless other religions/philosphies.

 

[Father Heathen]

I has nothing to do with that.It is this the truth that created set a period when he showed he was real throughout the earth by judgement or blessing.Then came the empires and then Jesus Christ who was the lamb that would be sacrificed for all men.and did.By that all men throughout the earth could worship God through Jesus Christ.Though any nation that refuses or turns against God will be judged.Lets look America has been a wealthy and strong nation why?really?Because Christians believeing in God reigned.Belief in God.Bible regiend throughout this nation.We have threw that away what do we have now?We have massive debts.We are crumbling in buisness and actual wealth.because we are turning away.Israel is rising agin they are plentyful.

And here I thought it had to do with economics, while it was actually voodoo all along.

 

[EnochSDP]

Ah, I see you have dropped Pascal's Wager.

Rome was also a very powerful empire, but they didn't believe in the Christian God. So how did they become powerful?

We had around this much debt after WWII, so it's not like it's never happened before. Also, a lot of the current debt is due to the wars GWB got is in... that he supported in part b/c he thought God wanted him to.

Personally, I think our economic problems are largely b/c we are lazier, and not because we are less religious. I'm not saying this to convince you (I doubt anyone could) but just to point out that there are other interpretations for why America is stumbling right now.

Also, your english is really hard to understand. It would help if you put spaces after punctuation.

The real power has always been with the people.Everyday people who believed in God and lived just regualr lives in no need for power and fame is what pushed power throughout the earth.christians was pushed through rome and throughout the gentiles to america and that faith has followed.

 

[9Westy9]

The Bible is a complete history book and scientific book.Showing you things within our spectrum and things outside our soectrum and man witnessing that there are things outside our spectrum and the God that was allowing them to know this was the God of Gods.The Creator God.Ive been told i can not try to convience anything just talk by private messages so.....i do not need to prove anything.God has proved himself to those that can see an to those that will not or just can not it is sad and I will always talk about the Lord God!

so the world is flat and the sun revolves around the Earth?