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Do people understand the trinity doctrine?

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Desert Snake

Veteran Member
I've noticed on the forums, that many people are associating G-d, with Jesus, and seem to think that this itself is the trinity doctrine, ie with the Spirit. What they seem to be missing, is that the trinity doctrine actually separates, the ''father'', from Jesus. In other words, G-d manifesting as Jesus is not the entirety of the trinity doctrine, the 'father' is separate in person, from Jesus.
 
Windwalker

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
disciple said:
G-d manifesting as Jesus is not the entirety of the trinity doctrine, the 'father' is separate in person, from Jesus.
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Actually, God manifesting as Jesus is not part of the Trinity doctrine itself if you think about it. Jesus is God manifest in the flesh. The Trinity says that Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit is God. It refers to the eternal nature of Godhead, not the flesh of Jesus. Not three deities separate from one another.

Is the flesh distinct from the eternal? Sure. But that's not the Trinity. That's the Incarnation. The Son, the Logos is the Divine which manifest itself in the flesh, in all of creation. Jesus is simply the full expression, or full realization of this in human form.
 
Ingledsva

Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
disciple said:
I've noticed on the forums, that many people are associating G-d, with Jesus, and seem to think that this itself is the trinity doctrine, ie with the Spirit. What they seem to be missing, is that the trinity doctrine actually separates, the ''father'', from Jesus. In other words, G-d manifesting as Jesus is not the entirety of the trinity doctrine, the 'father' is separate in person, from Jesus.
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Actually if you read it in the original languages - there is no trinity doctrine in the Bible, - and Jesus never claims to be God.

Christianity hijacked Hebrew text, - misunderstood, or mistranslated it, - and ran with the erroneous results. Such as claiming Isaiah is about Jesus' future birth, rather than what it is actually about, - God giving Isaiah a son as a SIGN that he is with them in the battle.

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Desert Snake

Veteran Member
Ingledsva said:
Actually if you read it in the original languages - there is no trinity doctrine in the Bible, - and Jesus never claims to be God.
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So?
Christianity hijacked Hebrew text, - misunderstood, or mistranslated it, - and ran with the erroneous results. Such as claiming Isaiah is about Jesus' future birth, rather than what it is actually about, - God giving Isaiah a son as a SIGN that he is with them in the battle.

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Therefore?
 
The Enlightened One

The Enlightened One

Contrarian
Ingledsva said:
You asked if people understood the trinity doctrine, - so for most, - obviously not.

There is no actual trinity - Christianity made it up.

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I think the OP is unconcerned with whether or not it was made up or borrowed, rather whether people understand what it says, not if it's true or not.
 
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lostwanderingsoul

Well-Known Member
the Bible says in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. Later the Word was made flesh (Jesus) God is not made of flesh and blood but is a spirit and because He is God He is holy so the Spirit of God is holy (Holy Spirit) not a separate "person"
 
Ingledsva

Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
lostwanderingsoul said:
the Bible says in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. Later the Word was made flesh (Jesus) God is not made of flesh and blood but is a spirit and because He is God He is holy so the Spirit of God is holy (Holy Spirit) not a separate "person"
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Actually the Logos with YHVH was the LAW, and it says the LAW became ENFLESHED in Jesus. It does not say Jesus is God anywhere in the Bible. Nor is there a trinity doctrine in the Bible.

Jesus was claiming to be the awaited Jewish Messiah, whom is supposed to be a special HUMAN from the line of David.

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Desert Snake

Veteran Member
Ingledsva said:
Actually the Logos with YHVH was the LAW, and it says the LAW became ENFLESHED in Jesus. It does not say Jesus is God anywhere in the Bible. Nor is there a trinity doctrine in the Bible.

Jesus was claiming to be the awaited Jewish Messiah, whom is supposed to be a special HUMAN from the line of David.

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But...you don't get your beliefs from the Bible, right? So why would you expect me to get /false/, beliefs, from the Bible?

Btw, I worship YHWH, and a manifestation of YHWH, known as 'Jesus'. There is no ''three'' concept in my beliefs. It is one deity.

As for Isaiah. never read it, it could be talking about blue martians, for all I know.
 
OneThatGotAway

OneThatGotAway

Servant of Yahweh God Almighty
Many Christians have been spoon fed doctrines of men such as the Trinity. And it still pays to go along with crowd even if they happen to read the rest of the Bible that contradicts a trinity doctrine.

To play if safe, only refer to one God whose name is Yahweh.
And only refer to Jesus (Yahshuo) as the Son of God.
Neither person claimed a sharing of their names, titles, nor thrones.
You will not disrespect nor dishonor none of them this way.
Furthermore, you will gain nothing from mixing or sharing the two except confusion.
 
Ingledsva

Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
disciple said:
But...you don't get your beliefs from the Bible, right? So why would you expect me to get /false/, beliefs, from the Bible?

Btw, I worship YHWH, and a manifestation of YHWH, known as 'Jesus'. There is no ''three'' concept in my beliefs. It is one deity.

As for Isaiah. never read it, it could be talking about blue martians, for all I know.
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My beliefs do not come from the Bible, - however, - I was raised Christian, - and when debating Bible translation, I use the actual Bible texts.

The Bible does not have a trinity doctrine in it. There is no Jesus is actually God. He and his Father are one - only in the sense that the King and his Regent are one. Not the same being.

Isaiah is where the erroneous Virgin Birth of Jesus crap comes from.

EDIT - forgot to add - Than why is he praying to the Father/himself? If there is only one?


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Desert Snake

Veteran Member
Ingledsva said:
My beliefs do not come from the Bible, - however, - I was raised Christian, - and when debating Bible translation, I use the actual Bible texts.

The Bible does not have a trinity doctrine in it. There is no Jesus is actually God. He and his Father are one - only in the sense that the King and his Regent are one. Not the same being.

Isaiah is where the erroneous Virgin Birth of Jesus crap comes from.

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I understand your arguments, trust me; but they don't really apply to my beliefs. If you had responded to one of the people proposing the trinity doctrine, it might make more sense. That's all. My deity concept is not hinging on that type of biblical interpretation, study.
 
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Desert Snake

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lostwanderingsoul said:
the Bible says in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. Later the Word was made flesh (Jesus) God is not made of flesh and blood but is a spirit and because He is God He is holy so the Spirit of God is holy (Holy Spirit) not a separate "person"
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So where is the ''trinity'' here?
 
rusra02

rusra02

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Premium Member
disciple said:
I've noticed on the forums, that many people are associating G-d, with Jesus, and seem to think that this itself is the trinity doctrine, ie with the Spirit. What they seem to be missing, is that the trinity doctrine actually separates, the ''father'', from Jesus. In other words, G-d manifesting as Jesus is not the entirety of the trinity doctrine, the 'father' is separate in person, from Jesus.
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Neither the word "trinity"bnor the idea of a trinity are taught in the Bible, IMO. Trinities of false gods abound, however.
 
Terrywoodenpic

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
The Nicene creed
as used by the Anglican church says...
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WE BELIEVE in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.

For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,
and was made man.

For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.

He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come.

Amen."

Now how could anyone understand the Trinity from that?
 
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