Do Scientists Have "Faith" in the Same Sense some Christians do?

[Faithofchristian]

I believe no such thing.
Being in a predominately Christian area, I have heard more times than I can count that god is all knowing.
I find it interesting to hear from a theist that god is not all knowing.

Look in the book of Ezekiel 28:15-- "You was perfect in your ways from the day that you was created, till iniquity was found in you"

Notice the word ( till ) by this word shows that God did not know beforehand that Satan was iniquity (till ) it was found in him.

Notice the word ( iniquity ) means =
Lawlessness.

Therefore God did not know beforehand that Satan was Lawlessness.
( Till ) lawlessness was found in him.

Therefore from the day Satan was created, God did not know that Satan was Lawlessness.

( Till ) it was found in him.

Therefore God can choose not to know beforehand.

 

[shunyadragon]

So you believe just because he's God, that God automatically knows everything beforehand .

That's silly, God can choose not to know beforehand on things.

Not automatically, again God Created humanity with all the weaknesses that lead to the Fall and Original Sin. Yes, God would be responsible regardless of whether he knew everything before hand.

 

[McBell]

Look in the book of Ezekiel 28:15-- "You was perfect in your ways from the day that you was created, till iniquity was found in you"

Notice the word ( till ) by this word shows that God did not know beforehand that Satan was iniquity (till ) it was found in him.

Notice the word ( iniquity ) means =
Lawlessness.

Therefore God did not know beforehand that Satan was Lawlessness.
( Till ) lawlessness was found in him.

That is certainly ONE way to interpret it....

 

[Faithofchristian]

Not automatically, again God Created humanity with all the weaknesses that lead to the Fall and Original Sin. Yes, God would be responsible regardless of whether he knew everything before hand.

who was the first to commit sin against God ?

No God can not be held for not knowing beforehand what someone may do.

What your saying is that you, yourself could be held responsible for what your children do beforehand you knew.

If God chooses not to know beforehand what someone may do. How can God be held responsible for not knowing what a person may do.

 

[shunyadragon]

who was the first to commit sin against God ?

No God can not be held for not knowing beforehand what someone may do.

What your saying is that you, yourself could be held responsible for what your children do beforehand you knew.

If God chooses not to know beforehand what someone may do. How can God be held responsible for not knowing what a person may do.

You are not addressing the Fall and Original Sin, and inherited guilt.

 

[Faithofchristian]

That is certainly ONE way to interpret it....

Let's look at it a different way,Ok

Let's for say, that I was going to cut down a tree,Ok
But you didn't know that I was going to cut down a tree.
( Till ) you found me doing it. Ok

So you didn't know beforehand. ( Till ) You found me doing it.

Therefore God can choose not to know beforehand about things.

 

[Faithofchristian]

You are not addressing the Fall and Original Sin, and inherited guilt.

No what I'm saying is. That Adam and Eve did not commit the Original Sin against God.
It was Satan that first committed the original sin against God in heaven leading one third of the Angels against God in Rebellion.

For some reason people seem to think it was Adam and Eve who committed the original sin against God. When in fact it was Satan sin in Rebellion against God in heaven.

 

[Faithofchristian]

You are not addressing the Fall and Original Sin, and inherited guilt.

The Original Sin came by Satan.

Then Satan got Eve to commit sin.

The same Satan did to the angels in heaven. First Satan committed sin and then Satan got the angels to commit sin along with him.

When Adam took of what Eve offered him, then because of what Adam did open the door for Satan thereby sin entered the world.

 

[shunyadragon]

The Original Sin came by Satan.

This may be your personal interpretation,but all traditional Christian Churches (Roman Church and the Main Protestant Churches) teach that Adam and Eve committed the first sin and are responsible for the Original Sin and the Fall.

 

[shunyadragon]

Let's look at it a different way,Ok

Let's for say, that I was going to cut down a tree,Ok
But you didn't know that I was going to cut down a tree.
( Till ) you found me doing it. Ok

So you didn't know beforehand. ( Till ) You found me doing it.

Therefore God can choose not to know beforehand about things.

Fore knowledge is not really the issue. It is that God Created humanity with the fallible weaknesses that led to the Fall, and Original Sin, and God remains responsible for the Fall.

 

[McBell]

Let's look at it a different way,Ok

Let's for say, that I was going to cut down a tree,Ok
But you didn't know that I was going to cut down a tree.
( Till ) you found me doing it. Ok

So you didn't know beforehand. ( Till ) You found me doing it.

Therefore God can choose not to know beforehand about things.

I understand your interpretation.

I just disagree with it.

 

[McBell]

No what I'm saying is. That Adam and Eve did not commit the Original Sin against God.
It was Satan that first committed the original sin against God in heaven leading one third of the Angels against God in Rebellion.

For some reason people seem to think it was Adam and Eve who committed the original sin against God. When in fact it was Satan sin in Rebellion against God in heaven.

So humans are being punished for something an angel did long before humans were even around?

 

[Faithofchristian]

This may be your personal interpretation,but all traditional Christian Churches (Roman Church and the Main Protestant Churches) teach that Adam and Eve committed the first sin and are responsible for the Original Sin and the Fall.

Maybe they need to Study the Scriptures more thoroughly before speaking.

We can say as Adam and Eve were human. That they committed the first sin as humans.

But to say who committed the original sin, that would be Satan in his Rebillion against God , in leading one third of the angels in Rebillion against God in heaven.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Fore knowledge is not really the issue. It is that God Created humanity with the fallible weaknesses that led to the Fall, and Original Sin, and God remains responsible for the Fall.

God did not create man with fallible weaknesses.
Maybe you need to read how God created man on the six day and then God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, It was very good, and the evening and the morning were the sixth day"

It doesn't sound like God made man with fallible weaknesses.
God saw every thing that he made and it was ( very good ) ?

 

[Faithofchristian]

I understand your interpretation.

I just disagree with it.

It's not my interpretation, it's what God has laid out to be.

 

[Faithofchristian]

So humans are being punished for something an angel did long before humans were even around?

No, Adam and Eve knew all about Satan. God fortold Adam not to take of the tree, but Adam disobeyed God.
That tree Represented Satan and the other tree Represented Christ Jesus.

What Adam and Eve did was choose not to take of the tree of life ( Christ Jesus) and took of the tree of death and destruction
( Satan )
How many people do the same to day. Rather than take hold of the tree ( Christ Jesus) and live eternal, but rather take of the tree ( Satan ) and die eternal death.

 

[shunyadragon]

God did not create man with fallible weaknesses.
Maybe you need to read how God created man on the six day and then God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, It was very good, and the evening and the morning were the sixth day"

It doesn't sound like God made man with fallible weaknesses.
God saw every thing that he made and it was ( very good ) ?

If that was the case Adam and Eve would not have succumbed to Temptation that led to the Fall and the inherited guilt for all humanity.

 

[Faithofchristian]

If that was the case Adam and Eve would not have succumbed to Temptation that led to the Fall and the inherited guilt for all humanity.

No, this why Satan could not get Adam to sin, way before Eve came into the picture.

How many times do you suppose Adam pass by that tree, but would not take part of it.
Then Eve came, then Satan went to Eve and then thru Eve Satan got to Adam.

If you never knew what a lie is or never experienced a lie ? Chances is you would fall also. As we all did with Satan's lies.

One third of the angels in heaven fell to the lies of Satan's, all because they to never experienced a lie nor knew what a lie was.
Until Satan. The father of all lies.

 

[shunyadragon]

No, this why Satan could not get Adam to sin, way before Eve came into the picture.

How many times do you suppose Adam pass by that tree, but would not take part of it.
Then Eve came, then Satan went to Eve and then thru Eve Satan got to Adam.

If you never knew what a lie is or never experienced a lie ? Chances is you would fall also. As we all did with Satan's lies.

One third of the angels in heaven fell to the lies of Satan's, all because they to never experienced a lie nor knew what a lie was.
Until Satan. The father of all lies.

Did not address the issue: Again . . .

If that was the case Adam and Eve would not have succumbed to Temptation that led to the Fall and the inherited guilt for all humanity. It does not make any difference who bite the fruit (apple?) first

 

[Faithofchristian]

Did not address the issue: Again . . .

If that was the case Adam and Eve would not have succumbed to Temptation that led to the Fall and the inherited guilt for all humanity. It does not make any difference who bite the fruit (apple?) first

All but it does make a difference who took of it first.
Adam did not partake first, but Eve.

Adam was not the one found in the transgression, but Eve was found in the transgression.
1st Timothy 2:14--"And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression"

Therefore Adam was not, the one being deceived, but Eve being deceived.

Adam knew better, but Adam gave into Eve and took.
It's like to day, how many men will give into their wife's. But yet knowing better ?