Do the teachings of Jesus allow us to judge?

[astarath]

Right, hypocritical Christians that Christ warns them not to be (speck and log parable!)

 

[doppelganger]

Right, hypocritical Christians that Christ warns them not to be (speck and log parable!)

It's only hypocritical when one is self-righteously judging others' conduct (speck and log parable!).

 

[McBell]

It's only hypocritical when one is self-righteously judging others' conduct (speck and log parable!).

Is it self-righteous if the meet they standards they use to judge others?

 

[angellous_evangellous]

It's only hypocritical when one is self-righteously judging others' conduct (speck and log parable!).

Really, is there any other way?

 

[astarath]

Right! and... Obviously your insinuations are stated however I am not laying any judgement but rather drawing directly from doctrine that there is only one action that is condemning to hell and that is a refusal to accept Christ as saviour. All other actions that cn be deemed sinful are forgiven if one openly accepts!

 

[doppelganger]

Is it self-righteous if the meet they standards they use to judge others?

Perhaps not if they meet EVERY standard, and not just the ones they like to judge others upon.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Perhaps not if they meet EVERY standard, and not just the ones they like to judge others upon.

It seems to me that the point of the parable is that judging others is the speck in our eye.

 

[doppelganger]

Right! and... Obviously your insinuations are stated however I am not laying any judgement but rather drawing directly from doctrine that there is only one action that is condemning to hell and that is a refusal to accept Christ as saviour. All other actions that cn be deemed sinful are forgiven if one openly accepts!

Judge not lest ye be judged. There's really only one sin that results in judgment, and it has nothing to do with "belief." It has to do with compassion and love.

 

[astarath]

Are you refering to a universal they or specifically to my above statements?

 

[doppelganger]

It seems to me that the point of the parable is that judging others is the speck in our eye.

Bingo!

 

[McBell]

Really, is there any other way?

I believe there is.
I draw said conclusion from:

Mat 7:-2
Judge not, that ye be not judged.
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
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Seems to me that this is not the commandment to not judge that most people believe it to be.
Seems to me that this is a warning to not judge others using a separate standard than the one with which you judge yourself.

 

[astarath]

I am not making a judgement. That judgement is made by Christ not myself! All one needs to do is believe and all sins are forgiven!

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I believe there is.
I draw said conclusion from:

Mat 7:-2
Judge not, that ye be not judged.
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
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Seems to me that this is not the commandment to not judge that most people believe it to be.
Seems to me that this is a warning to not judge others using a separate standard than the one with which you judge yourself.

The command here is to judge not.

 

[astarath]

For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again

And directly following the direction is by the standards we judge we to shall be judged! This is a warning against being hypocritical!

 

[McBell]

The command here is to judge not.

And you take it out of context.
I have shown that the context is to not judge others by a seperate standard than you judge yourself.

If what you proclaim is true, that it is indeed a commandment to not judge at all, then how do you reconcile it with all the verses that are instructions on how to judge?
One example:

Joh 7:24
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
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[angellous_evangellous]

And you take it out of context.
I have shown that the context is to not judge others by a seperate standard than you judge yourself.

If what you proclaim is true, that it is indeed a commandment to not judge at all, then how do you reconcile it with all the verses that are instructions on how to judge?
One example:

Joh 7:24
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
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John 7.24 is not the context of Matthew.

 

[doppelganger]

And directly following the direction is by the standards we judge we to shall be judged! This is a warning against being hypocritical!

You are saying that you do not violate a single "law"?

 

[astarath]

I am saying that I violate many laws but through my belief in the salvation of Christ all my sins are forgiven, same as a homosexual! Should they believe their sins are forgiven, if not their sins condemn them!

 

[McBell]

John 7.24 is not the context of Matthew.

Yet you seem to claim that Mathew 7 is saying to not judge AT ALL.

The verse in John is telling you how to Judge.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Yet you seem to claim that Mathew 7 is saying to not judge AT ALL.

The verse in John is telling you how to Judge.​

John may not know about Matthew's command, he could be revising it, or righteous judgment could be not judging (or all three).