Do Unto Others...

[dianaiad]

As I stated, it's far from perfect... yet still far better than we've experienced in the past. For instance, any 'discrimination' that you may be experiencing in backlash from people who used to be discriminated against is minimal in comparison. Being shamed on social media is a far cry from institutional discrimination.

I....have had rocks thrown at me. I have lost jobs. I have been kicked off of one group I'd been a member of for a decade...a group that is dedicated to something utterly unrelated to politics, and in which I never expressed any political or religious opinion. I was 'reported.' I could have stayed, but only if I never said anything supportive of conservative politics or ideals. It's odd...I never did anyway. I never said anything political one way or another, but that was my decision, I will not refrain from speaking my mind under threat from someone else.

And that's what is happening. people are not being 'shamed.' they are being kicked out, kicked off, put on 'boycott' lists when their businesses have nothing to do with politics or religions.

That's a tad bit more than being 'shamed on social media.' In fact, you CAN'T shame me on social media. In order for someone to 'shame' me, I have to FEEL shame. I don't. After 'real life,' nothing anybody can do or say about me on social media is going to be a problem.

I'm talking about 'real world' consequences.

 

[osgart]

The "others" to whom you do things only to "promote the general welfare."

I was trying to make a foolproof statement out of 'Do unto others'.

I would not entertain the idea that I know better for others. Everyone is an private individual with inner realities all their own.

I made no such statement about knowing better than others. Why wouldn't I do those things that do promote the general welfare of others? Granted the actions I would take would have to become evident and willfully approved of by the others.

 

[QuestioningMind]

I....have had rocks thrown at me. I have lost jobs. I have been kicked off of one group I'd been a member of for a decade...a group that is dedicated to something utterly unrelated to politics, and in which I never expressed any political or religious opinion. I was 'reported.' I could have stayed, but only if I never said anything supportive of conservative politics or ideals. It's odd...I never did anyway. I never said anything political one way or another, but that was my decision, I will not refrain from speaking my mind under threat from someone else.

And that's what is happening. people are not being 'shamed.' they are being kicked out, kicked off, put on 'boycott' lists when their businesses have nothing to do with politics or religions.

That's a tad bit more than being 'shamed on social media.' In fact, you CAN'T shame me on social media. In order for someone to 'shame' me, I have to FEEL shame. I don't. After 'real life,' nothing anybody can do or say about me on social media is going to be a problem.

I'm talking about 'real world' consequences.

Uh... sure. They kicked you out for being a conservative, even though you never expressed your conservative views. How exactly does THAT happen? And did you have the person who threw rocks at you arrested for assault? The police would protect you in this instance... not like 50 years ago if a white person threw rocks at a black person in the deep south. As for folks boycotting businesses... that's simply free speech. People have been doing it forever. Christian and conservative groups constantly call for boycotts... like when they called for boycotts of JC Pennys, just because the store chose Ellen Degeneres as their spokesperson.

People calling you out for having opinions they don't agree with is hardly persecution.

 

[dianaiad]

I was trying to make a foolproof statement out of 'Do unto others'.

I would not entertain the idea that I know better for others. Everyone is an private individual with inner realities all their own.

I made no such statement about knowing better than others. Why wouldn't I do those things that do promote the general welfare of others? Granted the actions I would take would have to become evident and willfully approved of by the others.

Well, there you go. Whether Kant came up with it (and I do believe that one) or not, the statement itself is a bit, hmmmnnn...

arrogant. Whether YOU think so or not, or whether you actually think 'will what I do next promote the general welfare' before you do a kindness or not, the idea itself is....

It's assuming that you (well, the person thinking about doing something) have the power and authority to decide what the general welfare is, and that your decision to treat others as you would like others to treat you will affect the 'general welfare,' as if you (general 'you,' not a specific 'you') will find times when refusing to abide by the Golden Rule would be better for everybody, even though you would like others to treat you as you are refusing to treat them.

As for me, I figure that one should be kind...that is, treat others as you would be treated...and let the 'general welfare' take care of itself. Frankly, if everybody actually DID abide by the 'golden rule,' 'general welfare' would be in really good shape.

So I wasn't actually accusing you, specifically, of any wrong doing. I was commenting on the idea expressed. It just hit me wrong, is all.

 

[dianaiad]

Uh... sure. They kicked you out for being a conservative, even though you never expressed your conservative views. How exactly does THAT happen?

It's big site. Lots of people...and I'm not precisely quiet about my views elsewhere (like here) Did you miss the part about me being 'reported?"

And did you have the person who threw rocks at you arrested for assault?

No, because...

The police would protect you in this instance...

they wouldn't and didn't. What's your problem?

not like 50 years ago if a white person threw rocks at a black person in the deep south. As for folks boycotting businesses... that's simply free speech.

No it isn't. Demonstrating and signs and yelling and advertising are free speech. Telling someone that if they don't change their votes or put up the proper signs or whatever, your group will destroy their business is called 'extortion.' don't believe me? Oberlin College is out something like $44 million bucks because they tried it with a local bakery.

People have been doing it forever. Christian and conservative groups constantly call for boycotts... like when they called for boycotts of JC Pennys, just because the store chose Ellen Degeneres as their spokesperson.

I don't like boycotts no matter who calls for them, who the target is or the purpose for doing so....with two exceptions.

One: when one decides not to do business with someone for any reason whatsoever, as a personal decision (NOT because some group thinks it's a good idea) , and
Two: when the target is a government agency and there is no other recourse. I will not participate in any boycott called by any group against a private business, whether I agree with their politics/agenda or not.

People calling you out for having opinions they don't agree with is hardly persecution.

"Calling me out?" You mean...disagreeing with me loudly? No, that's not persecution, Denying me a job because of my religion, throwing rocks at me because of my religion, forcing others to behave differently...and against their personal religious or political beliefs because they have the power to hurt their businesses, throwing rocks at someone because the rock throwers don't like the religious beliefs of their targets, threatening to have a cop friend escort me out of town in handcuffs if I ever show up at one of his/her services,siccing dogs on people because...

And telling someone who happens to have conservative beliefs that BECAUSE such conservative beliefs means that s/he is 'obviously' a white supremacist and so must keep silent or leave the group....

That's persecution.

Surely you know the difference between disagreement...even loud and insulting disagreement...and threats and action?

Ever heard the saying 'your right to swing your arm ends at the tip of my nose?"

Well, you swing your arm all you wish. Swing it carrying placards. Swing it while shouting imprecations. Stand on a soap box and scream. Your right. Your freedom of speech.

But your right of free speech ENDS when you start doing actual harm to your target.

 

[osgart]

Well, there you go. Whether Kant came up with it (and I do believe that one) or not, the statement itself is a bit, hmmmnnn...

arrogant. Whether YOU think so or not, or whether you actually think 'will what I do next promote the general welfare' before you do a kindness or not, the idea itself is....

It's assuming that you (well, the person thinking about doing something) have the power and authority to decide what the general welfare is, and that your decision to treat others as you would like others to treat you will affect the 'general welfare,' as if you (general 'you,' not a specific 'you') will find times when refusing to abide by the Golden Rule would be better for everybody, even though you would like others to treat you as you are refusing to treat them.

As for me, I figure that one should be kind...that is, treat others as you would be treated...and let the 'general welfare' take care of itself. Frankly, if everybody actually DID abide by the 'golden rule,' 'general welfare' would be in really good shape.

So I wasn't actually accusing you, specifically, of any wrong doing. I was commenting on the idea expressed. It just hit me wrong, is all.

'Do unto others' is getting too far ahead of things perhaps.

What about ' Do not unto others' or something like that.

As for me I appreciate my neutrality, and my private and public rights.

Sooner or later we all have to make judgment calls. I recently witnessed a woman cut her foot open. So I offered to call 911. But she refused and was able to stop the bleeding herself. However if it got to the point where her life was at risk, I would call 911. She could refuse the emergency call herself if she wanted to.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Perhaps. However, you repeated it, so I'm asking you.

Well, his meaning, that we should promote that which we would want to see as a general rule applying to all, and no doubt hopefully leading to a better society, is much like the Golden Rule, rather ambiguous, much like all such one-liners. They all generally are open to interpretation as to what is 'the general good', especially when religions enter the equation, and also because as individuals we all seem to have different priorities and aims. In my view it is not really possible to encapsulate in a one-liner anything of real value apart from the sentiment often seen - do no harm, promote life, exploit none, etc. Still working on it though.

 

[Samantha Rinne]

As they would have done unto themselves.

The platinum rule. It's an interesting contrast to the golden rule because it takes more empathy to understand the needs of others than the needs of yourself. But neither rule is flawless, since doing either what you want or what someone else wants can be unconstructive depending on the want.

Except... this assumes people always treat themselves right. There are plenty of toxic people out there, who hate themselves and return your good will for exploitation or react in anger to how you treat them because they feel unworthy. Tailor-making an approach is nonsense, because everyone then tells you they would do something far different for themselves than they actually seem to do. It also fails the test of how to treat a suicidal person (we aren't slashing other people's wrists).

... Absolutely nothing. Neither for, or against, others.

Your motives for doing to others any good are likely not to be genuine but from a secret need to feel loved. And any action against others is unlikely to be seen as justified because people forget their own actions. So just focus on human relationships, and stop doing to others.

Let's call this the silver rule. Accept you should never expect out of others perfect behavior, don't put yourself in any crappy situations, and just try being around people you love.

 

[Tumah]

Do unto others....

Finish the sentence.

...and if they don't die from it, it's probably safe.

 

[Rival]

...and if they don't die from it, it's probably safe.

But what if they die and come back to life?

 

[QuestioningMind]

It's big site. Lots of people...and I'm not precisely quiet about my views elsewhere (like here) Did you miss the part about me being 'reported?"

No, because...



they wouldn't and didn't. What's your problem?



No it isn't. Demonstrating and signs and yelling and advertising are free speech. Telling someone that if they don't change their votes or put up the proper signs or whatever, your group will destroy their business is called 'extortion.' don't believe me? Oberlin College is out something like $44 million bucks because they tried it with a local bakery.



I don't like boycotts no matter who calls for them, who the target is or the purpose for doing so....with two exceptions.

One: when one decides not to do business with someone for any reason whatsoever, as a personal decision (NOT because some group thinks it's a good idea) , and
Two: when the target is a government agency and there is no other recourse. I will not participate in any boycott called by any group against a private business, whether I agree with their politics/agenda or not.



"Calling me out?" You mean...disagreeing with me loudly? No, that's not persecution, Denying me a job because of my religion, throwing rocks at me because of my religion, forcing others to behave differently...and against their personal religious or political beliefs because they have the power to hurt their businesses, throwing rocks at someone because the rock throwers don't like the religious beliefs of their targets, threatening to have a cop friend escort me out of town in handcuffs if I ever show up at one of his/her services,siccing dogs on people because...

And telling someone who happens to have conservative beliefs that BECAUSE such conservative beliefs means that s/he is 'obviously' a white supremacist and so must keep silent or leave the group....

That's persecution.

Surely you know the difference between disagreement...even loud and insulting disagreement...and threats and action?

Ever heard the saying 'your right to swing your arm ends at the tip of my nose?"

Well, you swing your arm all you wish. Swing it carrying placards. Swing it while shouting imprecations. Stand on a soap box and scream. Your right. Your freedom of speech.

But your right of free speech ENDS when you start doing actual harm to your target.

]It's big site. Lots of people...and I'm not precisely quiet about my views elsewhere (like here) Did you miss the part about me being 'reported?"

So, are you in the middle of a big lawsuit, suing your former employer for dismissing you without cause? If not, I have to wonder what exactly you were 'reported' for. I mean, if you voiced an opinion that you think abortion is wrong and they forced you out for it, you've got a case! HOWEVER, if you're one of those 'conservatives' who voiced the opinion that there are plenty of neo-nazis out there are are 'good people' or that gay people should all be rounded up and put into camps THEN the your employer had every right to decide they don't want you representing their company.

No, because...
You did NOT report the rock thrower for assault


they wouldn't and didn't. What's your problem?
Of COURSE they didn't... you just said that you didn't bother to report it.

Denying me a job because of my religion, throwing rocks at me because of my religion, forcing others to behave differently...and against their personal religious or political beliefs because they have the power to hurt their businesses, throwing rocks at someone because the rock throwers don't like the religious beliefs of their targets, threatening to have a cop friend escort me out of town in handcuffs if I ever show up at one of his/her services,siccing dogs on people because...

Again... you must have dozens of law suits in the works here, because what you've described is against the law. If you don't have loads of law suits in the works then I have to wonder if you have any evidence that you were REALLY denied a job because of your religion... or maybe that's what you tell yourself because you weren't qualified for the job or maybe you just have a really crappy attitude that turns employers off. How about the people who sicced dogs on you? That's against the law... or didn't you bother to report it... like with the rock throwing incident? How about this corrupt cop? Did you record him illegally threatening you so you could get him kicked off the force? Or is this another case where it happened... but you didn't bother to take any action to defend yourself against the abuse?

 

[dianaiad]

]It's big site. Lots of people...and I'm not precisely quiet about my views elsewhere (like here) Did you miss the part about me being 'reported?"

So, are you in the middle of a big lawsuit, suing your former employer for dismissing you without cause?

You don't read. I did not say I was in a big lawsuit, OR that I had been fired.

If not, I have to wonder what exactly you were 'reported' for. I mean, if you voiced an opinion that you think abortion is wrong and they forced you out for it, you've got a case! HOWEVER, if you're one of those 'conservatives' who voiced the opinion that there are plenty of neo-nazis out there are are 'good people' or that gay people should all be rounded up and put into camps THEN the your employer had every right to decide they don't want you representing their company.

I was not employed. I was, as you would know if you had actually read my post, a member/subscriber to a WEBSITE. One dedicated to something that really has nothing to do with politics, and in which I made no political statements. Wanna know the one?

Ravelry. Look it up and you will see that I wasn't the only one targeted and forced out. It's a fiber arts site, dedicated to knitting, crochet, weaving, spinning and other such things.

They have turned into a bunch of Madame De Farges now, however. For instance, if one is a designer who sells knitting/crochet designs and you have the effrontery to put a MAGA hat pattern up, you WILL be banned, with extreme prejudice. However, there happen to be considerably over a 120 "P*ssy hat" patterns, as well as "F*ck Trump" patterns, and patterns that use any sort of imprecation you like...as long as it is aimed at conservatives or Republicans. I had made a comment on a youtube channel for a conservative vlog....and someone told the Ravelry moderators. Who told ME that I had to leave if I couldn't be silent about my political views. Even though I had never once voiced a political view on Ravelry.

No, because...

You did NOT report the rock thrower for assault

Since a cop was standing on the corner and did nothing, I figured that a 'report' would have been irrelevant. A cop SAW it, and did nothing. I SAID that the police didn't help. And they didn't.

they wouldn't and didn't. What's your problem?

Of COURSE they didn't... you just said that you didn't bother to report it.

Denying me a job because of my religion, throwing rocks at me because of my religion, forcing others to behave differently...and against their personal religious or political beliefs because they have the power to hurt their businesses, throwing rocks at someone because the rock throwers don't like the religious beliefs of their targets, threatening to have a cop friend escort me out of town in handcuffs if I ever show up at one of his/her services,siccing dogs on people because...

Again... you must have dozens of law suits in the works here, because what you've described is against the law.

Really?

Wow.

And nobody ever does anything against the law, and NOBODY has ever been persecuted or discriminated against by people who don't care what the law says...

Or does that only happen to people who are NOT conservatives?

You are calling me a liar here.

Would you call a 'person of color' a liar if s/he related experiences s/he had at the hands of "white supremacists?"

Or is it only white conservatives you think are lying when they talk about this sort of thing?

 

[QuestioningMind]

You don't read. I did not say I was in a big lawsuit, OR that I had been fired.



I was not employed. I was, as you would know if you had actually read my post, a member/subscriber to a WEBSITE. One dedicated to something that really has nothing to do with politics, and in which I made no political statements. Wanna know the one?

Ravelry. Look it up and you will see that I wasn't the only one targeted and forced out. It's a fiber arts site, dedicated to knitting, crochet, weaving, spinning and other such things.

They have turned into a bunch of Madame De Farges now, however. For instance, if one is a designer who sells knitting/crochet designs and you have the effrontery to put a MAGA hat pattern up, you WILL be banned, with extreme prejudice. However, there happen to be considerably over a 120 "P*ssy hat" patterns, as well as "F*ck Trump" patterns, and patterns that use any sort of imprecation you like...as long as it is aimed at conservatives or Republicans. I had made a comment on a youtube channel for a conservative vlog....and someone told the Ravelry moderators. Who told ME that I had to leave if I couldn't be silent about my political views. Even though I had never once voiced a political view on Ravelry.



Since a cop was standing on the corner and did nothing, I figured that a 'report' would have been irrelevant. A cop SAW it, and did nothing. I SAID that the police didn't help. And they didn't.




Really?

Wow.

And nobody ever does anything against the law, and NOBODY has ever been persecuted or discriminated against by people who don't care what the law says...

Or does that only happen to people who are NOT conservatives?

You are calling me a liar here.

Would you call a 'person of color' a liar if s/he related experiences s/he had at the hands of "white supremacists?"

Or is it only white conservatives you think are lying when they talk about this sort of thing?

I was not employed. I was, as you would know if you had actually read my post, a member/subscriber to a WEBSITE. One dedicated to something that really has nothing to do with politics, and in which I made no political statements. Wanna know the one?

Ravelry. Look it up and you will see that I wasn't the only one targeted and forced out. It's a fiber arts site, dedicated to knitting, crochet, weaving, spinning and other such things.

They have turned into a bunch of Madame De Farges now, however. For instance, if one is a designer who sells knitting/crochet designs and you have the effrontery to put a MAGA hat pattern up, you WILL be banned, with extreme prejudice. However, there happen to be considerably over a 120 "P*ssy hat" patterns, as well as "F*ck Trump" patterns, and patterns that use any sort of imprecation you like...as long as it is aimed at conservatives or Republicans. I had made a comment on a youtube channel for a conservative vlog....and someone told the Ravelry moderators. Who told ME that I had to leave if I couldn't be silent about my political views. Even though I had never once voiced a political view on Ravelry.

ROFL... Okay, so you're talking about being persecuted on a private social media site... NOT in real life. The way you were talking I assumed it had to do with something of significance. So a bunch of liberals got together and decided to create a social media site where they clearly don't like Trump, and then you went and got butt-hurt because they found out you hold opposing views. How awful for you! But you DO realize that private social media sites, just like private clubs, have every right to decide who can and who can't be a member, right? Nothing is stopping you from starting your OWN site, where you can bar liberals OR choose to have a policy where ANYONE can join. *****ing and moaning because these people are offended by your support of the idiot in the White House just makes you sound like a delicate snowflake.

Since a cop was standing on the corner and did nothing, I figured that a 'report' would have been irrelevant. A cop SAW it, and did nothing. I SAID that the police didn't help. And they didn't.

Really? If it was me and I wasn't doing anything to provoke it and someone started throwing rocks at me, I would DEFINITELY have asked any cop who witnessed it why they weren't taking steps to stop it. And if they still refused to act. I would have reported the cop to their superiors. Guess that's why we have so many poor cops out there, because folks like you figure that trying to hold them accountable would be irrelevant.

Being denied a job because of your religion is also against the law and people successfully win lawsuits because of it. But of course, you have to have actual evidence that the reason was due to your religion and not just because you weren't qualified or have a negative personality. And of course you ALSO would have to actually try and hold then accountable, instead of just *****ing and moaning and claiming that the reason was your religion.

 

[dianaiad]

ROFL... Okay, so you're talking about being persecuted on a private social media site... NOT in real life. The way you were talking I assumed it had to do with somethinse any sort of imprecation you like...as long as it is aimed at conservatives or Republicans. I had madeg of significance. So a bunch of liberals got together and decided to create a social media site where they clearly don't like Trump, and then you went and got butt-hurt because they found out you hold opposing views. How awful for you! But you DO realize that private social media sites, just like private clubs, have every right to decide who can and who can't be a member, right? Nothing is stopping you from starting your OWN site, where you can bar liberals OR choose to have a policy where ANYONE can join. *****ing and moaning because these people are offended by your support of the idiot in the White House just makes you sound like a delicate snowflake.

Well, you have just proven that you neither read properly, nor care. You skipped over the rock throwing thing and the not being hired bit....and are all about the 'social media' site.

Well, bub, it's NOT a 'social media site' in the way Facebook and other such sites are. It is a market place. People sell their patterns there, and others BUY patterns there. I was a member...and an active one...for over ten years. I had purchased hundreds of patterns from designers who sell through them. Now I can't do that. It is EXACTLY as if I were refused service in a restaurant or told that I couldn't enter and purchase something in a store because of my political views.

Now, you have exposed yourself as a "Trump hater" (and frankly, he's not my favorite person either, but that's a personal judgment) and a left wing liberal.

Not a problem, except for the hypocrisy.

I am quite certain that if I had been, say, gay or atheist and had given the same list, you would be all sympathetic and outraged at the discrimination shown here.

Yes. Ravelry is a private site and the owner can have any rules he likes. What he is doing is perfectly legal, and I support, believe it or not, his right to do this. However, he's being bigoted and discriminatory, and it is MY right to say so.

I think it is the right of ANY privately owned business to have whatever rules they like.

However, I think it is hypocrisy defined to call ME a 'whiner' and support Ravelry and call me a liar for the other experiences I have had....when I am QUITE certain that you support the right of gays to sue photographers and bakers, and are probably all for the boycotts that force businesses to put signs outside their stores welcoming everybody (except conservatives) in, and you probably think that that bakery which sued Oberlin college SHOULD have let those shoplifters go....and probably would have been a part of the mob that darned near ruined a business that had been in town for nearly a century, BECAUSE they held two "black" shoplifters for the police instead of letting them steal the wine and go free.

No. I think I have exposed the hypocrisy here.

 

[Yerda]

But what if they die and come back to life?

No harm no foul, dude.

 

[QuestioningMind]

Well, you have just proven that you neither read properly, nor care. You skipped over the rock throwing thing and the not being hired bit....and are all about the 'social media' site.

Well, bub, it's NOT a 'social media site' in the way Facebook and other such sites are. It is a market place. People sell their patterns there, and others BUY patterns there. I was a member...and an active one...for over ten years. I had purchased hundreds of patterns from designers who sell through them. Now I can't do that. It is EXACTLY as if I were refused service in a restaurant or told that I couldn't enter and purchase something in a store because of my political views.

Now, you have exposed yourself as a "Trump hater" (and frankly, he's not my favorite person either, but that's a personal judgment) and a left wing liberal.

Not a problem, except for the hypocrisy.

I am quite certain that if I had been, say, gay or atheist and had given the same list, you would be all sympathetic and outraged at the discrimination shown here.

Yes. Ravelry is a private site and the owner can have any rules he likes. What he is doing is perfectly legal, and I support, believe it or not, his right to do this. However, he's being bigoted and discriminatory, and it is MY right to say so.

I think it is the right of ANY privately owned business to have whatever rules they like.

However, I think it is hypocrisy defined to call ME a 'whiner' and support Ravelry and call me a liar for the other experiences I have had....when I am QUITE certain that you support the right of gays to sue photographers and bakers, and are probably all for the boycotts that force businesses to put signs outside their stores welcoming everybody (except conservatives) in, and you probably think that that bakery which sued Oberlin college SHOULD have let those shoplifters go....and probably would have been a part of the mob that darned near ruined a business that had been in town for nearly a century, BECAUSE they held two "black" shoplifters for the police instead of letting them steal the wine and go free.

No. I think I have exposed the hypocrisy here.

Well, you have just proven that you neither read properly, nor care. You skipped over the rock throwing thing and the not being hired bit....and are all about the 'social media' site.

ROFL... Oops... looks like YOU'RE the one who can't read properly. THIS is what I wrote in response to you not getting that job: Being denied a job because of your religion is also against the law and people successfully win lawsuits because of it. But of course, you have to have actual evidence that the reason was due to your religion and not just because you weren't qualified or have a negative personality. And of course you ALSO would have to actually try and hold then accountable, instead of just *****ing and moaning and claiming that the reason was your religion.

And this I wrote THIS about the rock throwing incident: Really? If it was me and I wasn't doing anything to provoke it and someone started throwing rocks at me, I would DEFINITELY have asked any cop who witnessed it why they weren't taking steps to stop it. And if they still refused to act. I would have reported the cop to their superiors.


However, I think it is hypocrisy defined to call ME a 'whiner' and support Ravelry and call me a liar for the other experiences I have had....when I am QUITE certain that you support the right of gays to sue photographers and bakers, and are probably all for the boycotts that force businesses to put signs outside their stores welcoming everybody (except conservatives) in, and you probably think that that bakery which sued Oberlin college SHOULD have let those shoplifters go....and probably would have been a part of the mob that darned near ruined a business that had been in town for nearly a century, BECAUSE they held two "black" shoplifters for the police instead of letting them steal the wine and go free.

And the above is just a steaming pile of BS that you've provided ZERO evidence for. You read a few of my post and you MAGICALLY think you can exactly what I think and feel. How truly pathetic. Just read what you wrote Einstein. Where did I say i SUPPORT Ravelry OTHER than to say I support their right to do what they want with their PRIVATELY OWNED site? Something that YOU agreed with. You IMAGINE that I support all sorts of thing for with you have no evidence. I IMAGINE that you're not terribly bright and couldn't form a legitimate argument to save tour pathetic life.

 

[dianaiad]

Well, you have just proven that you neither read properly, nor care. You skipped over the rock throwing thing and the not being hired bit....and are all about the 'social media' site.

ROFL... Oops... looks like YOU'RE the one who can't read properly. THIS is what I wrote in response to you not getting that job: Being denied a job because of your religion is also against the law and people successfully win lawsuits because of it. But of course, you have to have actual evidence that the reason was due to your religion and not just because you weren't qualified or have a negative personality. And of course you ALSO would have to actually try and hold then accountable, instead of just *****ing and moaning and claiming that the reason was your religion.

And this I wrote THIS about the rock throwing incident: Really? If it was me and I wasn't doing anything to provoke it and someone started throwing rocks at me, I would DEFINITELY have asked any cop who witnessed it why they weren't taking steps to stop it. And if they still refused to act. I would have reported the cop to their superiors.


However, I think it is hypocrisy defined to call ME a 'whiner' and support Ravelry and call me a liar for the other experiences I have had....when I am QUITE certain that you support the right of gays to sue photographers and bakers, and are probably all for the boycotts that force businesses to put signs outside their stores welcoming everybody (except conservatives) in, and you probably think that that bakery which sued Oberlin college SHOULD have let those shoplifters go....and probably would have been a part of the mob that darned near ruined a business that had been in town for nearly a century, BECAUSE they held two "black" shoplifters for the police instead of letting them steal the wine and go free.

And the above is just a steaming pile of BS that you've provided ZERO evidence for. You read a few of my post and you MAGICALLY think you can exactly what I think and feel. How truly pathetic. Just read what you wrote Einstein. Where did I say i SUPPORT Ravelry OTHER than to say I support their right to do what they want with their PRIVATELY OWNED site? Something that YOU agreed with. You IMAGINE that I support all sorts of thing for with you have no evidence. I IMAGINE that you're not terribly bright and couldn't form a legitimate argument to save tour pathetic life.

And I don't need to imagine that you went straight to the personal insults.

 

[QuestioningMind]

And I don't need to imagine that you went straight to the personal insults.

Only after you went the pathetic 'I claim to know everything you think and believe' route.

 

[dianaiad]

Only after you went the pathetic 'I claim to know everything you think and believe' route.

That you don't understand the difference is pretty telling.

 

[QuestioningMind]

That you don't understand the difference is pretty telling.

Oh, but I DO know the difference between pulling claims out of your @ss about other people and actually having evidence to back it up. You, sadly, clearly do not.