Do voters have a right to know if a candidate is in poor health?

[Koldo]

Narrative & affect & Trumpian rhetoric.

And how do you measure how much impact that will have ?

 

[Augustus]

And how do you measure how much impact that will have ?

See who wins the election I suppose...

You can't isolate factors in the result though. I just think that despite Hillary's lead in the polls, the compounding of various factors are going to lead to Trump in the Whitehouse. It's just an educated guess, not a scientific theory. I'll be happy to admit I was wrong come November if Hillary wins.

Can get 17/10 on a Trump victory, I'd put my money on that. Hillary 1/2 is terrible odds.

 

[metis]

The point is that it is not pneumonia in isolation, but combined with several other factors.This vastly increases the probability on there being something more seriously wrong with her health.

Anyway, it's too late now as the perception is already there so it will probably cost her the election (imho).

But what are these other "factors", and don't you think it's pretty much not acceptable to play armchair doctor? Supposedly both she and Trump are supposed to release their checkup reports from real doctors soon, although if Trump follows suit, expect quite possibly another snow-job.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Pneumonia is often a condition that results from other health problem.

Hillary has had several 'unrelated' health concerns in recent years. There is a good chance (not a certainty) that they are not unconnected at all. It is reasonable to believe that she possibly has a larger health problem. The people assisting her didn't seem particularly shocked at the incident either.

Her 'people' also lied about the problem at first. And people have been speculating about her health for a long time.

A rational, impartial observer could very well reach the conclusion that something ain't right. It is not simply 'move on, nothing to see here'.

I think it's a mountain out of a mole hill.

People get pneumonia all the time. It doesn't necessarily mean you're dying from AIDS or anything.

 

[Augustus]

But what are these other "factors", and don't you think it's pretty much not acceptable to play armchair doctor? Supposedly both she and Trump are supposed to release their checkup reports from real doctors soon, although if Trump follows suit, expect quite possibly another snow-job.

They are in the public record. Whether it is acceptable is up to the US voters of which I am not one. And whether it 'ought' to be is different from whether or not it 'is'.

Trumps health is independent of this, although there are currently no real concerns about that. If that were to change then it would be equally relevant.

It's not a partisan position, I despise them both. Unfortunately, they are the choice of the American people and I can do more than give my meaningless opinions on an internet forum.

 

[Quintessence]

I think it's a mountain out of a mole hill.

Sadly, this describes an awful lot of the political dialogue. Why focus on the things that actually matter when you can fixate on trivialities?

 

[BSM1]

I'd take Tim Kaine over Donald Trump any day.

Obviously you haven't lived in a state where Timmy happened to be your governor.

 

[Augustus]

I think it's a mountain out of a mole hill.

People get pneumonia all the time. It doesn't necessarily mean you're dying from AIDS or anything.

A 69 year old who gets pneumonia, collapses because of it in public, lies about it, has repeated dizzy spells, and has been the subject of long term speculation about her health is different from just 'getting pneumonia'.

Probabilities compound, they don't exist in isolation. Especially seeing as pneumonia is a very common secondary condition to chronic health problems.

It's not 'proof', just a reasonable possibility.

 

[metis]

They are in the public record....

Yes, she has had some health concerns over several decades, which is indeed part of the public record, but that does not mean that her pneumonia has anything to do with any of them. I had five broken collarbones and a broken leg prior to me getting pneumonia but that does not mean they contributed to me getting it.

 

[fantome profane]

Obviously you haven't lived in a state where Timmy happened to be your governor.

No one has lived in a state where Donald was governor. Luckily.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Sadly, this describes an awful lot of the political dialogue. Why focus on the things that actually matter when you can fixate on trivialities?

Ain't that the truth.

 

[SkepticThinker]

A 69 year old who gets pneumonia, collapses because of it in public, lies about it, has repeated dizzy spells, and has been the subject of long term speculation about her health is different from just 'getting pneumonia'.

Probabilities compound, they don't exist in isolation. Especially seeing as pneumonia is a very common secondary condition to chronic health problems.

It's not 'proof', just a reasonable possibility.

It looks like a person who had pneumonia and overexerted herself. My own mother did the same thing in her 30s and ended up having to be hospitalized for a week.

 

[Koldo]

See who wins the election I suppose...

You can't isolate factors in the result though. I just think that despite Hillary's lead in the polls, the compounding of various factors are going to lead to Trump in the Whitehouse. It's just an educated guess, not a scientific theory. I'll be happy to admit I was wrong come November if Hillary wins.

Can get 17/10 on a Trump victory, I'd put my money on that. Hillary 1/2 is terrible odds.

Since you have said "You can't isolate factors in the result though." and that your method to determine whether her health will make any difference is to "See who wins the election I suppose...", what makes your guess an educated one ?

 

[Politesse]

Because no one gets sick more than once, or from more than one illness unless they are somehow related as some unknown broad spectrum CHPS disorder (Can't Handle Presidency Syndrome)? I get a bit confused when, in a bid to disparage a candidate, we start criticizing things that are true of every living human being. Like "they get sick sometimes" or "they get angry sometimes" or "They dislike their political opponents".

 

[Laika]

Hillary had a claimed bill of 'excellent health' end of July but not stumbled on a day that wasn't that hot or humid leaving a 9-11 service 3 hours early... leaving a shoe behind... I went to a picnic for hours today and it was fairly moderate and pretty nice out in NY

Now, stories of pneumonia, heat exhaustion, and blood clots to the brain emerge where she can't recally briefings... do the voters have a reasonable expectation of a candidate sharing health issues that can compromise their abilty to work before an election?

No.

 

[Quintessence]

Because no one gets sick more than once, or from more than one illness unless they are somehow related as some unknown broad spectrum CHPS disorder (Can't Handle Presidency Syndrome)? I get a bit confused when, in a bid to disparage a candidate, we start criticizing things that are true of every living human being. Like "they get sick sometimes" or "they get angry sometimes" or "They dislike their political opponents".

But presidential candidates are supposed to be demi-gods, you know. They don't do things like get sick sometimes. It's not allowed, and if they get sick, well... that's in then! Time to vote for a robot! Let's elect the first robot president! Woo!

 

[Politesse]

But presidential candidates are supposed to be demi-gods, you know. They don't do things like get sick sometimes. It's not allowed, and if they get sick, well... that's in then! Time to vote for a robot!

Well, it's allowed if it's your candidate. Just not if its the other guy. It's not like "probably in good health" is the general impression created by Mr Trump.

 

[BSM1]

No one has lived in a state where Donald was governor. Luckily.

I believe that's about to change.

 

[Scott C.]

Now, stories of pneumonia, heat exhaustion, and blood clots to the brain emerge where she can't recally briefings... do the voters have a reasonable expectation of a candidate sharing health issues that can compromise their abilty to work before an election?

I read everywhere that she has pneumonia and overheated. But I haven't seen any explanations as to if pneumonia leads to over heating. Are doctors saying her over heating is the same problem as the pneumonia?

Yes, we have a right to know if the candidate as a health problem which a reasonable person may conclude would hurt his/her performance as President.

 

[David1967]

Do we have a right to know if the potential leader of our country is in good health? Absolutely.