Do Voters Share the Blame for Trump?

[sun rise]

Trump was elected by people sick of politicians that stupidly said, "lets give oligarch billionaires a chance". What they didn't realize is right wing politics were already run by oligarch billionaires buying politicians, cutting out the middle man, the politician, hardly helped the process, it just made tyranny more direct!!

Trump wants to be a tyrant and hates having to follow the law.

There are many investigations closing in on him now and just wait until the Democratic House takes office January 3rd. What's going on now is a "Sunday school picnic" to what's going to happen next year.

 

[columbus]

I already saw your links in a different thread.

Is that a yes or a no?
Noticing that I have posted such links before is not the same as actually reading them(being familiar with them).

I was responding to the OP, which implied that Trump was elected by the people. And his supporters commonly pretend that dumping the Iran Peace Treaty and building Trump's Wall and such were the result of The People voting Trump into the White House, when Trump lost the People's Election by millions.

Deplorables can hate on his presidential opponent all they want, but she was America's top choice for POTUS.
Tom

 

[sun rise]

First, tell us how China is.

China, Russia, Venezuela and other nations. It's a world-wide existential struggle between dictatorships and those who believe in freedom.

 

[Cooky]

I agree that Trump is the legal president; however, that is not really what I am asking here in this thread.

I think you just want a president who helps force left wing "values" into law.

...And you want to try and make sure that happens next time.

 

[sun rise]

I think you just want a president who helps force left wing "values" into law.

And some want a President who forces right wing "values" into law.

 

[youknowme]

My point is that politics isn't about morality -it's about sustaining success and well being for citizens.

...But those who dislike Trump do so, I believe, because they view politics through a different lens... they seem to want politics engulfed in morality, or for the non-believer, "values".

Surely a moral leader is better than an immoral leader.

 

[youknowme]

I think you just want a president who helps force left wing "values" into law.

I am OK with a Republican President, but I must draw the line at a criminal president that betrayed this nation to a hostile foreign power.

 

[sun rise]

Surely a moral leader is better than a immoral leader.

One thing a President should do is to provide a positive, moral/ethical, orientation. Of course people are people, but until the current regime, each President has offered moral leadership in times of crisis.

One classic example: After 9/11, even those who hated President Bush and his policies were inspired by the speech he gave at the time.

 

[sun rise]

I am OK with a Republican President, but I must draw the line at a criminal president that betrayed this nation to a hostile foreign power.

Just look who is celebrating - our enemies. Unless you don't consider the Taliban our enemy. They are proclaiming "we won".

And just before our cut and run from Syria, we bombed an ISIS base. They are no doubt salivating at the chance to run roughshod over the country again.

Iran is also thrilled at our cut and run. I don't see them as an existential danger to us, but they are not our friends.

We should support our friends.

 

[Cooky]

Surely a moral leader is better than a immoral leader.

In prefer keeping morality and values out of the equation, and would rather have a president who places America as a top priority as opposed to other people from other countries.

I want a president who is a slave for America. Not someone who lectures me and passes laws on what I need to do.

 

[youknowme]

One thing a President should do is to provide a positive, moral/ethical, orientation. Of course people are people, but until the current regime, each President has offered moral leadership in times of crisis.

One classic example: After 9/11, even those who hated President Bush and his policies were inspired by the speech he gave at the time.

I agree, but there are also massive trust issues when dealing with someone that lies constantly, forces himself on women, rips off charity, evades taxes, betrays his country, obstructs justice, breaks laws, cheats on his wife, etc. . . and God knows what else. You cannot trust someone like Trump to do what is best for the people.

 

[sun rise]

In prefer keeping morality and values out of the equation, and would rather have a president who places America as a top priority as opposed to other people from other countries.

I want a president who is a slave for America. Not someone who lectures me and passes laws on what I need to do.

So morality does not matter to you. Sad.

 

[columbus]

Surely a moral leader is better than an immoral leader.

Apparently not to conservative Christians.
I was totally stunned when Trump, after his whole life of immorality, managed to become the Evangelicals favorite by holding up a Bible and saying something churchy.
Tom

 

[sun rise]

I agree, but there are also massive trust issues when dealing with someone that lies constantly, forces himself on women, rips off charity, evades taxes, betrays his country, obstructs justice, breaks laws, etc. . . and God knows what else. You cannot trust someone like Trump to do what is best for the people.

I agree about Trump. He can't even be a decent manager. Berating those who work for you in public is the opposite of what a decent manager should be doing. He betrays his lack of morality/ethics even in that situation.

 

[youknowme]

In prefer keeping morality and values out of the equation, and would rather have a president who places America as a top priority as opposed to other people from other countries.

I want a president who is a slave for America. Not someone who lectures me and passes laws on what I need to do.

Immoral people don't generally put others before themselves.

 

[sun rise]

Heck, Trump can't even wish the nation a Merry Christmas without attacking some people

Trump's message on Christmas Day: 'It's a disgrace' - CNNPolitics

 

[Cooky]

So morality does not matter to you. Sad.

It does, however I entirely seperate my religion from my politics... Something those who lack religion are incapable of -as their moral values bleed into other facets of their surrounding environment. Such as politics. Because they have no place to put their moral values.

 

[Lyndon]

Yes if you are Trump supporter you definetly have to seperate your religion from your politics because Trump has nothing to do with what any religion teaches except maybe scientology??

 

[youknowme]

Is that a yes or a no?
Noticing that I have posted such links before is not the same as actually reading them(being familiar with them).

I was responding to the OP, which implied that Trump was elected by the people. And his supporters commonly pretend that dumping the Iran Peace Treaty and building Trump's Wall and such were the result of The People voting Trump into the White House, when Trump lost the People's Election by millions.

Deplorables can hate on his presidential opponent all they want, but she was America's top choice for POTUS.
Tom

I already understand how the Electoral College works and I understand that it gives some people a louder voice than others; however, the fact is they tend to vote along the lines of the popular vote in the state, they are not required to but that is what they do. So yes, indirectly, people did "elect" Trump, but it was not a fair reflection of the will of the people due to the fact that some people's votes simply count for more than others based on what state they live in.

Also please stop trying to cram your links down my throat, I certainly will not read them now.

 

[YmirGF]

Surely a moral leader is better than an immoral leader.

Not if their moral compass does not align with my own. I don't want some yahoo pushing his/her/its sense of fricken morality, period. I just want them to do their bloody jobs. Is that asking too much?