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Do we really want to be more like Sweden?

sooda

sooda

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PureX said:
The problem is that Americans have no idea what socialism is, because the capitalists don't want us to, and they make sure that there is an ocean of misinformation to keep us from ever actually understanding it.

Socialism is not the government owning and controlling everything. That's called a totalitarian dictatorship. Socialism is not 'the people' owning and controlling everything and sharing it equally. That's called communism.

Also, governments are not economies, and economies are not governments. And lastly, the mistakes some country made 50 years ago are not the mistakes they are making, today, nor do any of these mistakes have to be our mistakes. The idea is not to mimic some other nation's past, or present, but to LEARN FROM WHAT THEY GOT RIGHT. And what they've gotten right is that they have set the well-being of their people above the profits of their wealthy elite, above the desire of their politicians to wield absolute power, and above the innate bigotry of the majority against the minority.

And they do this by making sure that the needs of commerce, of social well-being, of the individual, and of governmental control get equal representation in the mechanisms of their governmental process. Which is what we desperately need to learn how to do, here in the U.S.

No government or economic system will ever be perfect. But ours is clearly failing us, and it's getting progressively and exponentially worse. It's failing us because almost none of us are being represented by the people making the decisions that effect our lives, because they are making all those decisions based on their own desires and well-being, and at our expense. We are a society devouring itself with it's own unfettered greed and lust for absolute power. And we are running out of time.
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The study examined 149 countries around the globe across nine broad factors: economic opportunities and growth, business environment, effective government with political participation, access to education, quality health care, national security and personal safety, personal freedoms, social support and civic participation and investment in natural resources.


These are the 10 most prosperous countries in the world
 
sooda

sooda

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Landon Caeli said:
I find comments such as this to be very problematic.
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The study examined 149 countries around the globe across nine broad factors: economic opportunities and growth, business environment, effective government with political participation, access to education, quality health care, national security and personal safety, personal freedoms, social support and civic participation and investment in natural resources.

These are the 10 most prosperous countries in the world
 
sooda

sooda

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Kangaroo Feathers said:
There are various commonly used measures, I believe. What does that have to do with my comment?
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Does this work for you?

The study examined 149 countries around the globe across nine broad factors: economic opportunities and growth, business environment, effective government with political participation, access to education, quality health care, national security and personal safety, personal freedoms, social support and civic participation and investment in natural resources.

These are the 10 most prosperous countries in the world
 
Cooky

Cooky

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Kangaroo Feathers said:
The popular American attitude toward socialism is a holdover from the Cold War, when demonising the enemy was considered a legitimate and necessary defensive strategy. We could argue for days over whether it actually was necessary , but the fact is that now, since the Cold War is long over, the kneejerk "Socialism is bad because it's wrong, it's wrong because it's bad" axiomatic belief is no longer necessary, and arguably self harming. It's rather analogous to an autoimmune disease, where the body's defensive reaction starts attacking it's own tissues after a genuine threat is neutralised.

As others have observed, few Americans could give a meaningful explanation of what socialism is, let alone what's actually bad about it. Sure, they'll point to examples of failed socialist states, Venezuela is currently popular, but I'm yet to see a single person who uses the "socialism is bad because Venezuela" talking point explain exactly how socialism is responsible for Venezuela's current situation.
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Yes, great things always stem from socialism. :rolleyes:

Name a few great landmark causes directly stemmed from socialism. And no, attacking Jews is not "good".

sooda said:
The study examined 149 countries around the globe across nine broad factors: economic opportunities and growth, business environment, effective government with political participation, access to education, quality health care, national security and personal safety, personal freedoms, social support and civic participation and investment in natural resources.


These are the 10 most prosperous countries in the world
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According to this, New Zealand ranks number one... Good luck with that @Kangaroo Feathers. ;):)
 
Cooky

Cooky

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sooda said:
Does this work for you?

The study examined 149 countries around the globe across nine broad factors: economic opportunities and growth, business environment, effective government with political participation, access to education, quality health care, national security and personal safety, personal freedoms, social support and civic participation and investment in natural resources.

These are the 10 most prosperous countries in the world
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The "study" directly links nothing to socialism. Please show anything great directly stemming from socialism.

Not using statistics, please show concrete results. With Capitalism, we can show entire networks, systems and all kinds of concrete evidence that it is effective.
 
sooda

sooda

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Landon Caeli said:
I just think it's weird that a many socialists also happen to be anti-semites.
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In April 1933 communists, socialists, democrats, and Jews were purged from the German civil service, and trade unions were outlawed the following month.

That July Hitler banned all political parties other than his own, and prominent members of the German Communist Party and the Social Democratic Party were arrested and imprisoned in concentration camps .

As an ultra-nationalist, socially conservative, anti-egalitarian and fascist ideology, Nazism falls on the extreme far-right end of the political spectrum.

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Were the Nazis Socialists?
 
Kangaroo Feathers

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
sooda said:
Does this work for you?

The study examined 149 countries around the globe across nine broad factors: economic opportunities and growth, business environment, effective government with political participation, access to education, quality health care, national security and personal safety, personal freedoms, social support and civic participation and investment in natural resources.

These are the 10 most prosperous countries in the world
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I think you misunderstood what I was referring to.
 
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