Do we really want to be more like Sweden?

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Well I guess those of you that want to be like Sweden want to be serve in the military by being drafted.
I think it would be an excellent idea.
Of course I'm sure that isn't what you were thinking......tough titty.
Why Sweden Brought Back the Draft - The Atlantic

I'm a big proponent of national service, hate to burst the smugness bubble.

 

[Revoltingest]

Well I guess those of you that want to be like Sweden want to be serve in the military by being drafted.
I think it would be an excellent idea.
Of course I'm sure that isn't what you were thinking......tough titty.
Why Sweden Brought Back the Draft - The Atlantic

I was talking with a Marxist friend the other day.
He believes in the draft for all, serving in the military or other public service capacity.
It's good for the individual to do things they don't like to do, & it's just all so....patriotic.
(That's not the term he'd ever use, but it all boils down to the same thing.)

Of course, do you suppose that some people will get cushy jobs, while
others risk life & limb, all for equal (for fairness, you know) pay.

Btw, when the military draft was on, he had a high lottery number,
so he was exempt. He chose to not serve. But other people should.

 

[Stevicus]

The "study" directly links nothing to socialism. Please show anything great directly stemming from socialism.

Not using statistics, please show concrete results. With Capitalism, we can show entire networks, systems and all kinds of concrete evidence that it is effective.

You can show concrete results with socialism, too. A perfect example would be to compare Russia's performance in WW2 under socialism with their performance in WW1 under capitalism (against the same enemy).

It was the same with China. Capitalist China performed abysmally against Japan in WW2, but after the Revolution, they were able to fight the U.S. (the same country that defeated Japan) to a stalemate in Korea.

For that matter, both North Korea and North Vietnam performed far better on the battlefield than their southern capitalist counterparts.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

For that matter, both North Korea and North Vietnam performed far better on the battlefield than their southern capitalist counterparts.

Weeeeerrrrrrllll... to be generous, those are arguable opinions.

 

[sooda]

I think you misunderstood what I was referring to.

LOL..

That's very possible.

We have a problem.. Some Americans think Hitler was a socialist.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

LOL..

That's very possible.

We have a problem.. Some Americans think Hitler was a socialist.

That's because many (most?) Americans;

A. Don't know what socialism is,
B. Don't know anything about Hitler's political ideology.

 

[sooda]

That's because many (most?) Americans;

A. Don't know what socialism is,
B. Don't know anything about Hitler's political ideology.

Right.. and it makes me CWAZY... Hitler HATED Socialists and Communists.

In April 1933 communists, socialists, democrats, and Jews were purged from the German civil service, and trade unions were outlawed the following month.

That July Hitler banned all political parties other than his own, and prominent members of the German Communist Party and the Social Democratic Party were arrested and imprisoned in concentration camps.

As an ultra-nationalist, socially conservative, anti-egalitarian and fascist ideology, Nazism falls on the extreme far-right end of the political spectrum.

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Were the Nazis Socialists?

 

[Stevicus]

Weeeeerrrrrrllll... to be generous, those are arguable opinions.

Well, in the early stages of the Korean War, the North Koreans rolled over the South pretty handily. If not for US intervention, the South would have been totally absorbed. Chinese counter-intervention made it into a stalemate which we're still having to deal with to this day.

And in Vietnam, once the US agreed to pull out, it was all over for South Vietnam. They never had a chance.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Right.. and it makes me CWAZY... Hitler HATED Socialists and Communists.

In April 1933 communists, socialists, democrats, and Jews were purged from the German civil service, and trade unions were outlawed the following month.

That July Hitler banned all political parties other than his own, and prominent members of the German Communist Party and the Social Democratic Party were arrested and imprisoned in concentration camps.

As an ultra-nationalist, socially conservative, anti-egalitarian and fascist ideology, Nazism falls on the extreme far-right end of the political spectrum.

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Were the Nazis Socialists?

I am aware of this. To many Americans, "Hitler" is a largely meaningless epithet. "You're like Hitler" is not a comment on fascist policies, it means "I don't like you". To such people, the fact that National Socialism has "socialism" in the name, that's all they care to know or think they need to know. "Hitler was a National Socialist, therefore Hitler was a socialist, QED".

I often imagine how these people react when they discover what a titmouse, starfish or bombay duck is.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Well, in the early stages of the Korean War, the North Koreans rolled over the South pretty handily. If not for US intervention, the South would have been totally absorbed. Chinese counter-intervention made it into a stalemate which we're still having to deal with to this day.

And in Vietnam, once the US agreed to pull out, it was all over for South Vietnam. They never had a chance.

Oh, if we were talking about ONLY the Southern combatants of those wars, rather than their entire coalition, then sure, I guess...
Except that I don't think you're taking into account how much assistance the Northern combatants had from their ideological superiors. If the Korean War had been JUST between the two Koreas, with neither UN nor Chinese assistance, it would have been very different. Vietnam, too. Sure, the NVA rolled over the RV very quickly after the American led coalition pulled out... but they did it with Russian supplied equipment and doctrine.

I don't wish to derail the thread, and "what ifs" are always fun, but IMHO, your earlier claim was...well, like I said, we can go with "arguable".

 

[sooda]

I am aware of this. To many Americans, "Hitler" is a largely meaningless epithet. "You're like Hitler" is not a comment on fascist policies, it means "I don't like you". To such people, the fact that National Socialism has "socialism" in the name, that's all they care to know or think they need to know. "Hitler was a National Socialist, therefore Hitler was a socialist, QED".

I often imagine how these people react when they discover what a titmouse, starfish or bombay duck is.

LOLOL

 

[Stevicus]

Oh, if we were talking about ONLY the Southern combatants of those wars, rather than their entire coalition, then sure, I guess...
Except that I don't think you're taking into account how much assistance the Northern combatants had from their ideological superiors. If the Korean War had been JUST between the two Koreas, with neither UN nor Chinese assistance, it would have been very different. Vietnam, too. Sure, the NVA rolled over the RV very quickly after the American led coalition pulled out... but they did it with Russian supplied equipment and doctrine.

I don't wish to derail the thread, and "what ifs" are always fun, but IMHO, your earlier claim was...well, like I said, we can go with "arguable".

Sure, I get what you're saying, although the question was about "concrete results," and you can't get more concrete than this.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Sure, I get what you're saying, although the question was about "concrete results," and you can't get more concrete than this.

The results are concrete. The path to arrive at them was a little more complex and involved than your first post suggested. But anyway, here's not really the place to argue about it.

 

[esmith]

Oh, if we were talking about ONLY the Southern combatants of those wars, rather than their entire coalition, then sure, I guess...
Except that I don't think you're taking into account how much assistance the Northern combatants had from their ideological superiors. If the Korean War had been JUST between the two Koreas, with neither UN nor Chinese assistance, it would have been very different. Vietnam, too. Sure, the NVA rolled over the RV very quickly after the American led coalition pulled out... but they did it with Russian supplied equipment and doctrine.

I don't wish to derail the thread, and "what ifs" are always fun, but IMHO, your earlier claim was...well, like I said, we can go with "arguable".

If you don't want to derail the thread then I suggest you do not put forth statements that are incorrect and have to be debunked.
In other words, learn about something before you speak, or in this case write.

 

[Jumi]

I just think it's weird that a many socialists also happen to be anti-semites.

Many Jews also happen to be "socialists", not that either of these two things means anything. Carry on.

 

[sooda]

Many Jews also happen to be "socialists", not that either of these two things means anything. Carry on.

True an Hitler was out to kill Socialists and Communists.

 

[Jumi]

True an Hitler was out to kill Socialists and Communists.

He was out to kill a lot of things... that crazy man.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I always was a fan of their bikini team:

 

[sooda]

He was out to kill a lot of things... that crazy man.

Especially Communists, Socialists, Gypsies, Jews, Homosexuals and anyone with a higher education who might call BS on his wild speeches.

 

[Notanumber]

Pat Condell? He's a blooming idiot. I mean full retard.

I would say he is more of a prophet and a very eloquent one at that.