Do you as a Muslim believe in women's equality?

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

I personally cannot understand how anyone cannot realize that women are equal to men ??.

Send this question to the author of the Koran ?
Why this equality did not know ??
Man knows that there is no difference between men and women
No woman no man
Women without Men No
Both complement each other
This concept of Christianity

 

[Smart_Guy]

Write to us the position of Islam
You are a Muslim
Is Islam believes in equality
Gave us proof

If a man steels from a woman, Islam punishes the man and gives the woman what's hers exactly as if he stole from a man. Women can own their own lands and business just like men. If a man kills a women, the man can be executed exactly as if he killed a man. A man cannot bad mouth a woman just as he cannot bad mouth a man. A man is obliged to provide for the women if the women either has an income or not. Islam values the mother three times that of a father. A man... wait, the last two should be not fair to men not women... does that mean Islam gives women a right over the men? Hmm...

 

[SomeRandom]

The idea was that this discussion (rant) went over to that thread where it belongs, madam.
Men are physically stronger in general than women and more adept at solving mechanical type problems and providing for the family. Now you know that don't you.

Because female mechanics don't exist or anything? Oh wait, yes they do and because of this thing called education/qualifications, they learn the necessary skills to be just as adept as men are at "solving mechanical type problems." Are men also more adept at swearing when they try to fix the heater, like in a Christmas Story?

By the way, Poe territory yet again! Hoorah!

Men are emotionally stronger as well.

Kay?

At least we agree on something. I wonder if you meant it?

Yes. I mean the adage still exists and is a genuine reflection on society as a whole.

It would not bother me if I were left behind. And the fact that it changes is no sign that it is for the better. Women set out to destroy the family unit, which they accomplished, and now we suffer for it. True, in time, men and women will find someway round it, like making men do half of the womens role that they now don't want to do. So men take their responsibility but women don't. Men do their work, women don't.
Also the dumping of children for someone else to bring up, or even the elderly being dumped because women fail to carry out your work. The excuse for this is, 'I want to'. Some excuse. Perhaps you should look at the bigger picture and stop ignoring the damage women do. This supposed changing world might well change back. What then? Do we say, the world is changing women, bet get used to it lest you get left behind? I'm sure that would go down well.

What damage are you talking about? The Nuclear Family still exists in society. Families still exist in society. Children are still born and raised in society by both parents. Marriage still exists in society. You speak as though we live in Huxley's Brave New World and that it has been brought upon us by Women going out and earning some money to live or whatever. We are quite a ways from that yet, sir.
Marriages dissolve due to many variables, not because of "feminism" but because of abuse, growing apart, infidelity (on the part of either or both spouses) and divorce has always existed, it's just easier to get for both sexes nowadays. Although I do believe ancient Viking women could divorce a guy for any reason that popped into their heads. And that was centuries before Feminism was even heard of. Why aren't you accusing Norwegian people of breaking up the family?
Hell in ancient Sparta (known now as perhaps one of the fiercest warrior nations/tribes of the ancient world) the woman had to go out and hunt for dinner along with the man. Women also participated in and excelled at athletics with the men and they were brought up from girlhood to excel at hunting, sports, fighting etc in order to produce "strong" children. But there I go again, being all "other cultures have differing roles for men and women and they still survived just fine in their respective eras."
Ours is kind of like that in our somewhat looser roles for men and women (without the whole agreed upon infanticide thing thankfully.) We have changed, we have survived and we are doing just fine. And just to reiterate, family still exists in society. So if the goal of feminism was to break that up, they failed, colossally.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Because female mechanics don't exist or anything? Oh wait, yes they do and because of this thing called education/qualifications, they learn the necessary skills to be just as adept as men are at "solving mechanical type problems." Are men also more adept at swearing when they try to fix the heater, like in a Christmas Story?

Not the point whether they can do it or not is it, as I keep repeatedly telling you.

By the way, Poe territory yet again! Hoorah!

Says the troll

Kay?

You gone spanish all of a sudden? or have you gotten a sense of humour? certainly not a sense of direction.

Yes. I mean the adage still exists and is a genuine reflection on society as a whole.



What damage are you talking about? The Nuclear Family still exists in society. Families still exist in society. Children are still born and raised in society by both parents. Marriage still exists in society. You speak as though we live in Huxley's Brave New World and that it has been brought upon us by Women going out and earning some money to live or whatever. We are quite a ways from that yet, sir.

Madam, the family in the UK is breaking up far more than it used to. The biggest change was feminism in the last few decades who freely admit that is what they set out to do. Just face it and stop quibbling.

Marriages dissolve due to many variables, not because of "feminism" but because of abuse, growing apart, infidelity (on the part of either or both spouses) and divorce has always existed, it's just easier to get for both sexes nowadays.

Many variables NOW, yes. That is not the point, yet again. Marriages are supposed to stay together and would have done without feminism. That is not an excuse for the man to abuse the woman.

Although I do believe ancient Viking women could divorce a guy for any reason that popped into their heads. And that was centuries before Feminism was even heard of. Why aren't you accusing Norwegian people of breaking up the family?

They don't live over here. Anyway, I don't like helmets with horns

Hell in ancient Sparta (known now as perhaps one of the fiercest warrior nations/tribes of the ancient world) the woman had to go out and hunt for dinner along with the man. Women also participated in and excelled at athletics with the men and they were brought up from girlhood to excel at hunting, sports, fighting etc in order to produce "strong" children. But there I go again, being all "other cultures have differing roles for men and women and they still survived just fine in their respective eras."

''respective eras''. What about when we were apes? going to mention them are you? What about our time...hmmm?

Ours is kind of like that in our somewhat looser roles for men and women (without the whole agreed upon infanticide thing thankfully.) We have changed, we have survived and we are doing just fine. And just to reiterate, family still exists in society. So if the goal of feminism was to break that up, they failed, colossally.

They have made a huge dent in it and caused many to split up and then remarry, which is adultery. Do you believe in God? I forget. It does not do us any good to do such things. Whether women can or cannot do what men do is not the point. You need to stop judging yourself my men and start thinking of teaching children to a far higher degree, instead of dumping them in child care centres so you can go back to work. You seem to be so used to it you don't even notice it.

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[SomeRandom]

Not the point whether they can do it or not is it, as I keep repeatedly telling you.

You just said they are intrinsically (read always) better at those things than women. The fact that women can and even excel at those things proves otherwise.

You gone spanish all of a sudden? or have you gotten a sense of humour? certainly not a sense of direction.

Of course I have a sense of humor. I work in retail! It's needed in order to survive!

Many variables NOW, yes. That is not the point, yet again. Marriages are supposed to stay together and would have done without feminism. That is not an excuse for the man to abuse the woman.

Those variables still existed before feminism. Feminism didn't invent infidelity or abuse or divorce. They've been around forever. Hell even Jesus gives at least one reason for divorce!

Madam, the family in the UK is breaking up far more than it used to. The biggest change was feminism in the last few decades who freely admit that is what they set out to do. Just face it and stop quibbling.

Nothing more than correlation, which you insist upon conflating with causation.

They don't live over here. Anyway, I don't like helmets with horns

I'm with you on that count, they look rather silly. But you can't exactly blame the Vikings for that one, they didn't like horns on helmets either. But the people depicting them over the years must have thought they were ****** or something. So added them after the fact.

''respective eras''. What about when we were apes? going to mention them are you? What about our time...hmmm?

We are still apes, technically. I did mention our time. In that we have our own definitions (like every other culture in existence) of masculine and feminine roles. Like many world class chefs around the world are now men, when it used to be a very "feminine" task. (Would you like to go up to Gordon Ramsey and tell him he's a pansy girly man because he cooks? If you do, please tell me how it goes. I'd be ever so curios to hear what reaction he'd have first. Manly macho violence and a torrent of swear words, or both at the same time.) They have changed, but we survived. We are doing fine.

They have made a huge dent in it and caused many to split up and then remarry, which is adultery. Do you believe in God? I forget. It does not do us any good to do such things. Whether women can or cannot do what men do is not the point. You need to stop judging yourself my men and start thinking of teaching children to a far higher degree, instead of dumping them in child care centres so you can go back to work. You seem to be so used to it you don't even notice it.

No, like I said, many couples split for a number of reasons. Feminism is probably the last reason anyone splits up. Infidelity is big (which btw has always existed.) Guys like a "newer younger model" and then remarry to appease their aesthetics. A female dumps her husband because I don't know she finds him boring or he's a changed person or whatever. People are frivolous, always have been.
I believe in a God, probably not your interpretation of God. But eh.
Mate I don't even have a husband let alone kids. Wth are you talking about? I ain't dumping any kid so I can go to work. I suppose I often babysit my nephew so his mother can go to hospital (awful awful woman, right? Relying on a reliable relative instead of the deadbeat ******* her husband turned out to be, to look after her child so she can get the wonders of medical science in order to live! Pfft.)
Perhaps you should be removing the log from your own eye, before attempting to look for a splinter in your neighbor's eye. Eh?
Besides, I am working so I can survive and pay the bills. Unless YOU can offer me an alternative universe where I can pay for housing, electricity, water, petrol/gas etc with smiles and happiness.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

If a man steels from a woman, Islam punishes the man and gives the woman what's hers exactly as if he stole from a man. Women can own their own lands and business just like men. If a man kills a women, the man can be executed exactly as if he killed a man. A man cannot bad mouth a woman just as he cannot bad mouth a man. A man is obliged to provide for the women if the women either has an income or not. Islam values the mother three times that of a father. A man... wait, the last two should be not fair to men not women... does that mean Islam gives women a right over the men? Hmm...

You did not provide the answer to Questions
But you jumped to another topic
Well
Even in the killings and incidents
The right of a woman equal to half the right man ??
This calamity in Islam
Here's what scholars say about the friendly women in Islam
I hope that you know your Islam well
Ibn Rushd ( agreed that the friendly woman half a friendly man in psychology

 

[Smart_Guy]

You did not provide the answer to Questions
But you jumped to another topic
Well
Even in the killings and incidents
The right of a woman equal to half the right man ??
This calamity in Islam
Here's what scholars say about the friendly women in Islam
I hope that you know your Islam well
Ibn Rushd ( agreed that the friendly woman half a friendly man in psychology

Sorry for not answering your questions, but I don't see how I got off-topic.

Please also explain how's the right of a woman equals half the right of man in Islam.

What's a friendly woman? All women I know of are friendly!

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Sorry for not answering your questions, but I don't see how I got off-topic.

Please also explain how's the right of a woman equals half the right of man in Islam.

What's a friendly woman? All women I know of are friendly!

Diya (compensation)

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

to smart -gyu
(Diya)
Any compensation murdered women in Islam is equal to half (blood money) any compensation that the murdered women in Islam is equal to half the man compensation
For instance
Car collision happened and he died in theCar collision happened and he died in the collision with a man and a woman
Compensation expense is
The man full compensation
Women compensated half the man compensation
Do you accept this unjust law ??
That Islamic law, my friend

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

to -smart-guy
Women in Islam are oppressed
Even in her death
Do not have equal rights with men ??
This is Islamic law ??

 

[Robert.Evans]

You just said they are intrinsically (read always) better at those things than women. The fact that women can and even excel at those things proves otherwise.



Of course I have a sense of humor. I work in retail! It's needed in order to survive!



Those variables still existed before feminism. Feminism didn't invent infidelity or abuse or divorce. They've been around forever. Hell even Jesus gives at least one reason for divorce!



Nothing more than correlation, which you insist upon conflating with causation.



I'm with you on that count, they look rather silly. But you can't exactly blame the Vikings for that one, they didn't like horns on helmets either. But the people depicting them over the years must have thought they were ****** or something. So added them after the fact.



We are still apes, technically. I did mention our time. In that we have our own definitions (like every other culture in existence) of masculine and feminine roles. Like many world class chefs around the world are now men, when it used to be a very "feminine" task. (Would you like to go up to Gordon Ramsey and tell him he's a pansy girly man because he cooks? If you do, please tell me how it goes. I'd be ever so curios to hear what reaction he'd have first. Manly macho violence and a torrent of swear words, or both at the same time.) They have changed, but we survived. We are doing fine.



No, like I said, many couples split for a number of reasons. Feminism is probably the last reason anyone splits up. Infidelity is big (which btw has always existed.) Guys like a "newer younger model" and then remarry to appease their aesthetics. A female dumps her husband because I don't know she finds him boring or he's a changed person or whatever. People are frivolous, always have been.
I believe in a God, probably not your interpretation of God. But eh.
Mate I don't even have a husband let alone kids. Wth are you talking about? I ain't dumping any kid so I can go to work. I suppose I often babysit my nephew so his mother can go to hospital (awful awful woman, right? Relying on a reliable relative instead of the deadbeat ******* her husband turned out to be, to look after her child so she can get the wonders of medical science in order to live! Pfft.)
Perhaps you should be removing the log from your own eye, before attempting to look for a splinter in your neighbor's eye. Eh?
Besides, I am working so I can survive and pay the bills. Unless YOU can offer me an alternative universe where I can pay for housing, electricity, water, petrol/gas etc with smiles and happiness.

Well it's been fun, but as I now have a warning, and this thread is going nowhere, and I have no idea how to respond now, I shall have to leave it there.
I am glad you believe in God.

(though I would not want you to think that I agree with you)

 

[Smart_Guy]

to smart -gyu
(Diya)
Any compensation murdered women in Islam is equal to half (blood money) any compensation that the murdered women in Islam is equal to half the man compensation
For instance
Car collision happened and he died in theCar collision happened and he died in the collision with a man and a woman
Compensation expense is
The man full compensation
Women compensated half the man compensation
Do you accept this unjust law ??
That Islamic law, my friend

to -smart-guy
Women in Islam are oppressed
Even in her death
Do not have equal rights with men ??
This is Islamic law ??

First of all, that does not have anything to do with equality. In Islam, the man is the one obliged by the Islamic rules to work and provide and the women is not obliged to do that. Both can choose to work or not, I'm talking about obligations here, so please don't mix that with something else off-topic. If it is in a non Islamic community that covers that up with other means, then by all mean, no need to follow this rule. I'd be the first supporter if there are other rules that can really take care of this subject. Islam puts this rule as part of a law should people look for one.

Having the above said, losing a man's life means losing a serious source of income. This blood money difference is because of the duty the man is obliged to in an Islamic community and what he is obliged to do/capable of as a role, not because of simply being a man.

A typical family in Islamic communities has the man providing by obligations and the women doing nothing as obligation to make an income to the family. I repeat, she can still work, but she's not obliged to. Now, the man is up brought all his life with so many duties enforced on him (women aren't... wait, isn't this unfair to men instead?) to be ready for such a thing. If that man dies, the economy of the family will be severely affected. That is the reason the man has more blood money than the women. To compensate to the family. Wait, doesn't that mean it is the other way around? I mean, if the women dies, men will receive reduced amount of money for her life yet if a man dies, women get double the amount to enjoy? OMG, that's unfair to men, not to women!

Besides, the women still gets blood money paid for her life. Tell me, is there such a thing in Christianity? That blood money for the women is enforced to be paid just as it is to that for the man. No one has the right to stop it. Besides, if Islam is really not fair, then it would not even put blood money for women at all. Even though the man is the provider and the women is not, the women still gets blood money paid for her.

And, what amount of blood money paid is good for the dead? This only means that this subject is not related to equality. Equality is in what the person himself gets, not in what others get for them. The dead, wither it is men or women, they are cleaned, prayed for, gets a funeral, etc. equally.

Please don't forget to comment on the bold words about Christianity up there.

Please also forgive men for the long post. But it is not less problematic than making separate posts with many different subject like you do, right?