Do You Believe In God, Why? Don't You Believe In God, Why?

[Audie]

Ideal.

Asking too much of you.

 

[janesix]

Just to be clear. The primes less than 10 are 2,3,5,7. Any number you want can be approximated by a ratio or product of these numbers. So, 216=6*6*6=2*2*2*3*3*3.

You should look into continued fractions if you want some fun numbers to play with. So, the continued fraction for phi gives the Fibonacci sequence,
1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89, 144, 233, 377, 610, 987, ....
Each new one on the list is the sum of the previous two.

That for pi gives both 22/7 and 355/113 as good approximations. The second can be remembered by taking 113355 and splitting it up and dividing the second part by the first.

If you are interested in the square root of two, try 17/12, 41/29, and 99/70 for fun. These are very good approximations to the square root of 2. If you are determined, you can find them everywhere.

I am not sure what your point is.

 

[janesix]

Asking too much of you.

You asked, I gave my answer. What more do you want?

 

[janesix]

Stop asking question that you already know the answers to, that have been explained in this very thread.
Your repeated appeal to intentionality indicates you're not paying attention to alternative explanations.
If you're going to ignore our responses, why keep asking for explanations?

I have considered your responses and rejected them as false.

 

[janesix]

Physics, chemistry, biology.

Stars and planets form through gravity.
Complex molecules form through chemistry.
Tornado's form through complex interactions in the atmosphere.
Etc.

Then they are not building themselves, are they?

 

[janesix]

You think relativity is "nonsense"?

Are you aware that the workings of GPS literally depend on it?
As in: if one doesn't account for the relativistic effects, it's of by several miles. If you do, it works and pinpoints your location with a meter or 2 of precision.

Are you aware of that?

No I'm not.

 

[janesix]

You think evolution is totally random?

I'm sure you will inform me of how evolution isn't "totally" random.

 

[ratiocinator]

No I'm not.

GPS and Relativity

 

[Subduction Zone]

They are sacred numbers.

Unsupportable claims are of no use in a debate or discussion.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Then they are not building themselves, are they?

Actually they are.

 

[janesix]

But they do. In most cases they discovered and studied these phenomena.

Really? Give me a couple of examples.
I'm sure the scientists would be very interested in the faults you've found in their research or observations. Have you informed the researchers of your discoveries, or written to the scientific journals?

No.

No, mechanical means not magic.
Magic is effect without mechanical cause. Mechanics is a description of the steps in a process. Spontaneous describes a mechanical process that occurs naturally, by natural laws, without outside intervention.

I think you misunderstand me. Because that is basically what I said.

 

[Subduction Zone]

GPS and Relativity

I am sure that our poster would not be so hypocritical as to deny relativity and then rely on it on a regular basis.

 

[janesix]

It's proof when you do it, and see the results. No 'hand of God' is observed.
??????

They're artifacts of the inflation. Why would you think they were anything but natural?

These are not made up. They are reasonable conclusions from observed evidence. In many cases they are tested and predictive.
What reasonable alternatives do you propose? Magic,? unevidenced, untested folklore?

This is so wrong. Science follows the evidence. It takes great pains to test evidence; to try to disprove its conclusions. The scientific method is the most productive and reliable technique ever developed.

Why do you say science "makes crap up?" What has it made up that is not evidenced?

Reasonable alternatives: electric universe, resonance, harmony

 

[janesix]

???? Please explain? Are you talking about God speaking things into existence.
Evolution is a fact. Organisms have changed over time. Many have become extinct. Many new ones have emerged. The evidence is overwhelming.
Adaptation is evolution. You say you've studied it. How is adaptation not evolution.? How are you defining evolution?
Please explain.
That explains a lot....

Everything is based on vibration. Musical laws. Resonance. The rest I can't seem to be able to tell you. You will have to learn this on your own.

 

[Valjean]

Does Genesis 3:17 Really Say That God Cursed the Ground of the Entire Earth?
By default strange plants would have to be from the Fall, because God is not the author of confusion.

Strange plants? Why would strange plants have to be from the fall? What makes a fall generated plant strange?

Adultery isn't just wrong because its not adaptive, its disrespectful to the person and their spouse. Modesty is relative in certain cultures but there are absolutes.

Are you assuming all cultures have 'spouses', that all cultures have marriage customs like our own or marital values like our own?

Physics does not have creative powers like a builder. Chemistry is also impersonal.

Chemistry is physics, and it's physics that gives the universe the order we see in it.
Would you consider that creative?

The archaeological evidence of Sodom and Gommorah was supported by excavations. Sodom and Gomorrah Proved!

This article is from an Israeli religious recruitment magazine known for making extraordinary Bible inspired claims and predictions. Living Armstrongism: Reading PCG's Watch Jerusalem

Googling reveals a lot of such articles in various magazines, usually religious, making sundry claims about the locations and destruction of these cities.
The non-religious sources outline several possible locations and possible catastrophes.
Destruction of Sodom, Gomorrah, and Jericho: Geological, Climatological, and Archaeological Background - Oxford Scholarship
And from the mighty Wiki:

There are other stories and historical names which bear a resemblance to the biblical stories of Sodom and Gomorrah. Some possible natural explanations for the events described have been proposed, but no widely accepted or strongly verified sites for the cities have been found.

 

[Polymath257]

What constraints of environment predict a dog?

An environment encouraging carnivores that hunt by running down their prey and capturing with their mouth.

The snout is encouraged by attempting to capture prey (notice that cats usually do so with their claws, a different solution). The basic form is for running.

 

[Polymath257]

More often than not the opposite is true.

It is the restriction to being testable and that it needs to agree with previous evidence that makes things so difficult.

Simply having an imagination isn't good enough: the ideas actually have to be testable and agree with observations.

 

[Polymath257]

Ideal.

Wow. it is simply because that shape moves better through the water. Natural selection will push water animals to such a shape.

 

[Polymath257]

It is not numerology. These are facts. This is how the universe is arranged.

Make a prediction based on your theory. Make it one you don't already know the answer to. Let's see what happens.

 

[Polymath257]

Everything is based on vibration. Musical laws. Resonance. The rest I can't seem to be able to tell you. You will have to learn this on your own.

Not all vibration is sound. Sound is only pressure waves in some material (air, for example). Light, for example, has a wave aspect without being sound.