Subduction Zone
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Of course we have not. That would refute the theory of evolution. You are the one that keeps referring to the "Law of Monopoly". You should have known that.
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Subduction Zone
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Primates are tetrapods. Sheesh! And plants and tetrapods are both eukaryotes. No change of kind.
What are you talking about? Changes in kingdoms? What does that mean? Micro changes? We see this all the time. Look at a litter of puppies. Each is different -- micro change.
Billions of years? Speciation can happen in hours, in fast reproducing organisms. We see speciation happen in real time even in higher organisms. How do you explain Tube mosquitos?
We see change all the time. We see the evidence of past change. Do you think all nature is static and unchanging? Do you think no plant or animal ever went extinct or changed? Do you think all extant species have always been here, since their creation in Adam's time?
They evolved out of fish, like today's walking catfish or mudskippers. Walking catfish - Wikipedia
Mudskipper - Wikipedia
Stop using "kinds" Use the Linnaean system I linked to previously. Taxonomic rank - Wikipedia
What the heck is "primordial soup DNA?" DNA is exactly the same stuff it's been for 4+ billion years.
[/quote]Kinds are types of beings so distinct people would never describe them as the same being. Plants, animals, and people are all different kinds.[/QUOTE]You've used half a dozen different definitions of 'kind' already.
Please, use this system: Species - Genus - Family - Order - Class - Phylum - Kingdom - Domain. We'll all be clear on what you're talking about.
If tetrapods and eukaryotes came from primordial soup, then there were changes of kinds for there to be these different families of organisms that exist.
Do you even read our replys? Do you click on our links?
You keep making perplexing statements and questions that indicate you're not getting any of this at all.
STOP IT!
Read our posts. WTF do you mean by this "primordial soup?" The most complex thing generated from any primordial soup were bacteria.
OK, what level are we talking about?
And what is this 'transition'? I thought you didn't believe in transition.
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Subduction Zone
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Nope..
Sorry, I'm not following. Something has a 'similarity'?
What's this have to do with either irreducible complexity or flagella?
"Kind" certainly seems to be a broad and flexible category. It's as slippery as an eel.
Can't you please learn to use the standard categories you should have learned in 8th grade?
But we see it in the lab and in nature. We can watch it happen. The mechanisms are commonsense and observable. We see it in changing forms and fossils, we see it in genes. It's predictive, we use it in medicine, forensics, &c. everyday.
It's real. It happens.Life changes over time through known mechanisms, not through magic poofing. No-one's ever seen magic poofing. There's no known mechanism that would explain magic poofing. Magic poofing violates the familiar rules the world works by. If anyone claimed he'd seen a dog magically poof into being in his living room he'd be laughed at, yet if he claimed it happened six thousand years before he was born, it's credible.
What was? And how would a process happening in a 'controlled environment' be different from a process happening in nature?
Of course not -- and no-one's claiming that.
Why do you think anyone's making such a claim?
It's evidence of genomic change through selective reproduction. Whether the selection is made by birds picking dark moths off white trees or farmers discarding a crop's smaller seeds, it's the same process.
Peppered moth evolution - Wikipedia
Whoever heard of changes in kingdoms? Changes happen in subspecies and species, and usually imperceptibly slowly.
Your posts still indicate that you don't understand how biologists claim evolution works. You're arguing against claims no-one's made. We're trying to describe the process and the mechanisms, but you just don't seem to be following it.
Plant and animal are different Kingdoms.
Clades? Do you know what a clade is?
Creatures did change over time. Why do you keep denying this?
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The ancestors of apes and people evolving from primordial DNA supports a change of kinds.
Primordial soup never could have evolved into people or apes. Therefore, for us to have evolved from primordial soup, there would have to have been a change of kinds, which is impossible.
I'm mentioning transition because I don't believe in it.
Organisms of different kingdoms, domains, classes, phyla. order, and family are distinct types of organisms. They are different kinds.
The idea of apes evolving from primordial soup or primordial DNA supports there being a change of kinds, by definition.
Something gradual in a certain sense happens instantly, and has gray areas and intermediates.
Changes happening slowly in species and subspecies doesn't change that they would inevitably happen according to the theory of evolution.
It would be impossible for creatures to change over time beyond subspecies or maybe species level because plants and animals are different kingdoms. As different kingdoms, they could never evolve into each other. The limits of DNA would prevent it.
Subduction Zone
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You cannot even come up with a working definition of "kinds". Just drop it.
Subduction Zone
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Wrong again. Maybe some day you will get one right.
What's primordial DNA? What's a "kind?"
DNA is DNA. Today's DNA is indistinguishable from four billion year old DNA.
Soup doesn't evolve. It's not even alive. Aren't you reading our posts? Do you understand what primordial soup means?
"Change of kinds impossible?" -- You keep saying this, over and over. You keep throwing out pseudobiology, terms you don't seem to understand, and creationist nonsense, but you still haven't explained why it's impossible. You don't even understand the process you're criticizing.
And where did they all come from? By what mechanism did they appear on Earth?
And what about all the changes over the centuries? Do you believe anything's changed over time? If so, how?
So you do believe in change??? Through what mechanism?
Inevitable? Why inevitable?
There's nothing in the ToE about inevitable; nothing about planning or direction. What does "according to the ToE" mean?
What does plants and animals being different have to do with anything? Of course they're different. So what? What's this have to do with evolution?
No-one's saying anything's going to evolve between them. Evolution operates on a small scale, tiny changes, multiplied over time.
Kingdoms evolving into each other? Ridiculous! Who ever suggested that? Do you seriously believe anyone here is implying anything like that? It's an evolutionary impossibility!
I don't know why this thread even exists. You clearly don't have any idea what evolution is, what it claims, or the mechanisms thereof. Worse, no matter how many times we explain it to you, you keep regurgitating the same ridiculous claims and misunderstandings. Your questions and comments indicate that you're either ignoring out posts, or they're going completely over your head.
I seriously don't understand what you believe or why. The more you post the more confused I get.
Are you a Bot?
TagliatelliMonster
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How many times must it be repeated that what you understand by macroevolution, is not what macroevolution actually is?
Macro is the accumulation of micro, nothing more or less.
It's inevitable. If microevolution occurs, it inevitably leads to macro evolution.
1+1+1+1+1+.......+1+1 = huge number.