Do You Believe in God?

[psychoslice]

I believe, actually believing in something can make it so. It is called mind over matter. I am not able to do it well but supposedly Mary Baker Eddy was able.

I believe events that have taken place already can't be changed by belief.

I believe many people believe things without a valid basis so you are correct in that assessment but I do have a valid basis for my beliefs.

And so does everyone else. but again its only a belief, its neither here or there.

 

[Neo Deist]

I believe I base my opinions on information and logic which is far better than basing them on fantasy as some do.

Then why are you a Christian?

 

[Windwalker]

Then why are you a Christian?

Oh man... ouch.

 

[Neo Deist]

Then why are you a Christian?

Yeah, that came across a bit harsh. Let me elaborate...

Christianity is loaded with fantasy, yet you say you base your opinions on logic and information. Let's look at some of the Christian beliefs that are HIGHLY fantasized and not logical:

1. Garden of Eden
So here we have a story about a man and a woman, who name all the millions of critters, get tricked by a talking snake, are banished from this mystical garden, and an angel with a flaming sword bars the entrance to said garden even though no satellite imagery has ever captured an image of it. Oh, and that same man and woman are responsible for every human in existence, even though genetics says otherwise.

2. Noah's Ark
So some dude and his family are spared while the rest of the world drowns...except the sea creatures. And cockroaches. They put two of every animal on a boat, and a total of eight people care for all these millions of different animals for like six months. Magically, they survive at an altitude that is higher than Mt. Everest, which has a temperature of a balmy -10* F in the spring time. Water freezes at +32* F so...yeah. They land on some mountain, and the animals spread across the globe, even though places like Australia were unreachable by land. Oh, and all the marsupials took a vote and unanimously went to Australia by magic. Noah is so righteous, that he strips naked and gets drunk on the beach.

3. Moses and the Red Sea
So we got this holy man that holds up a stick, and this large body of water parts down the middle, giving the Hebrews a nice path to walk on. They cross to the other side, and then the waters close in and drown the pharaoh's army in the process. Not only has there never been any archaeological evidence found of said crossing, but the actual path was across the Reed Sea, not the Red Sea. There is nothing special about the Reed Sea as it is just a swamp. The chariots did not follow because they got bogged down. Not that the story is true in the first place. Oh, and then there's the whole 10 Commandments carved in stone...well, 613 actually. That's a lot of damn stone tablets for one person to carry down the mountain...alone.

4. Jesus
So this Jewish carpenter is born from a virgin, who was raped and knocked up by a ghost...even though the Hebrew term does not mean virgin. It means maiden. Anyway... He grows up and gets himself nailed to a crucifix and executed Roman style. They toss his body in a cave, and a few days later he rises up and walks out...yet no one recognizes him when they see him. Probably because it is a different dude, but oh well. The risen Jesus makes some claims that turn out to be incorrect, and he is turned into a martyr at the hands of those that were duped into believing the whole charade. Incidentally, not one Roman soldier ever scribbled anything down about any of the miracles that Jesus performed, during their occupation of that part of the world. No superior was notified. Nothing. You'd think that an army would enlist the aid of a miracle worker that could heal the soldiers' wounds and even bring them back from the dead!

The list goes on and on...

Now, what was that about fantasy?

 

[Muffled]

Do you think that if enough people believed a god exists that they can make him exist in reality?

No. I do not believe that anymore than I think a carved rock or stone can give any help.

 

[Muffled]

Then why are you a Christian?

I believe Christianity is the most logical way to avoid sin and the death that proceeds from sin. I am also quite well aware that I can find a rationale if I wish to sin so it is better to not be in control.

 

[Muffled]

Yeah, that came across a bit harsh. Let me elaborate...

Christianity is loaded with fantasy, yet you say you base your opinions on logic and information. Let's look at some of the Christian beliefs that are HIGHLY fantasized and not logical:

1. Garden of Eden
So here we have a story about a man and a woman, who name all the millions of critters, get tricked by a talking snake, are banished from this mystical garden, and an angel with a flaming sword bars the entrance to said garden even though no satellite imagery has ever captured an image of it. Oh, and that same man and woman are responsible for every human in existence, even though genetics says otherwise.

The list goes on and on...

Now, what was that about fantasy?

I believe this has nothing to do with Christianity but it certainly shows how unreasonable you are as well as the usual Biblical scholars.

I believe this is quite logical. A revived race should have its own language. However that does not come from the genetics but from the spirit that remembers the language.

I believe this is likely although not proven yet. There is evidence of an alien lizard race in humanoid form that can talk and Hel may have been such a person. Hel was well known in the Norse legends as trickster and did not always follow the wishes of Odin.

I don't believe it is highly likely that the angel is still there or that there is any need for him to be there.

I believe the term human was used to refer to that race but we use it to refer to all races. I believe the interpretation that humans are the only race to be preposterous at best.

I believe there are differing views on the meaning of the genetics. Evolutionists think all the races evolved from one source. I believe the gods were from alien races.

 

[Neo Deist]

I believe this has nothing to do with Christianity but it certainly shows how unreasonable you are as well as the usual Biblical scholars.

I believe this is quite logical. A revived race should have its own language. However that does not come from the genetics but from the spirit that remembers the language.

I believe this is likely although not proven yet. There is evidence of an alien lizard race in humanoid form that can talk and Hel may have been such a person. Hel was well known in the Norse legends as trickster and did not always follow the wishes of Odin.

I don't believe it is highly likely that the angel is still there or that there is any need for him to be there.

I believe the term human was used to refer to that race but we use it to refer to all races. I believe the interpretation that humans are the only race to be preposterous at best.

I believe there are differing views on the meaning of the genetics. Evolutionists think all the races evolved from one source. I believe the gods were from alien races.

I believe you believe a lot.

 

[Muffled]

I believe you believe a lot.

I prefer to do that than have the authorites call me on the carpet. I have reasons for my beliefs. Do you since everything you say is a belief also?

 

[jeager106]

I believe in a Power greater than me (mankind).
For me it's a choice.
Faith = a belief in something that can neither be proven nor disproved.
Prove there is no God.
Consider than a challenge to those who choose not to believe.
I have faith that the Cleveland Browns will win the Super Bowl though that is unlikely.
So can unbelievers prove that there is no Power in this universe?
A Power we cannot prove nor disprove.
We can't really "see" electricity or radio waves but we can see the results of electricity when
we flip a light switch on.
We have a saying in A.A.
" I came, I came to, I came to believe."
If there are any atheists in recovery I don't know of them.
If there are any atheists in recovery I doubt they last long.
Last night I gave what's called a "lead" for about an hour at a meeting.
I talked about the God of my understanding.
No one walked out of the room.
We ALL believe in something greater than man or we would surely die of our
addiction.
Most people don't have the red hot pitchfork of addiction ramming them in the anal orifice.
The saying "There are no atheists in foxholes" rings true.
I worked at Chrysler a long time ago.
A crazy man came into the factory with three loaded guns and 200 + rounds of
ammo.
He shot at least 13 people dead and I've forgotten how many wounded.
He walked within a few feet of me, pointed the gun at my face and fired.
He missed.
No doubt on purpose.
Why?
Was I chosen to live?
NO!
I was lucky. For reasons I'll never know he just didn't want to shoot me.
He turned and shot another man in the back where I had been seconds ago.
Why am I alive?
I don't have a clue.

 

[Neo Deist]

I prefer to do that than have the authorites call me on the carpet. I have reasons for my beliefs. Do you since everything you say is a belief also?

No, everything I say is a fact and the absolute truth, and you should accept my beliefs as the Gospel or else you might burn in hell! Feel free to send in your 10% tithes to my savings account, along with your weekly offerings. Meanwhile, I need some volunteers to work around my house for free, doing things like landscaping and lawn maintenance, preparing meals, washing clothes, etc. All in the name of free labor...I mean support.

 

[Muffled]

No, everything I say is a fact and the absolute truth, and you should accept my beliefs as the Gospel or else you might burn in hell! Feel free to send in your 10% tithes to my savings account, along with your weekly offerings. Meanwhile, I need some volunteers to work around my house for free, doing things like landscaping and lawn maintenance, preparing meals, washing clothes, etc. All in the name of free labor...I mean support.

I believe your beliefs are not facts because they have no basis.

 

[Neo Deist]

I believe your beliefs are not facts because they have no basis.

 

[Muffled]

I believe in a Power greater than me (mankind).
For me it's a choice.
Faith = a belief in something that can neither be proven nor disproved.
Prove there is no God.
Consider than a challenge to those who choose not to believe.
I have faith that the Cleveland Browns will win the Super Bowl though that is unlikely.
So can unbelievers prove that there is no Power in this universe?
A Power we cannot prove nor disprove.
We can't really "see" electricity or radio waves but we can see the results of electricity when
we flip a light switch on.
We have a saying in A.A.
" I came, I came to, I came to believe."
If there are any atheists in recovery I don't know of them.
If there are any atheists in recovery I doubt they last long.
Last night I gave what's called a "lead" for about an hour at a meeting.
I talked about the God of my understanding.
No one walked out of the room.
We ALL believe in something greater than man or we would surely die of our
addiction.
Most people don't have the red hot pitchfork of addiction ramming them in the anal orifice.
The saying "There are no atheists in foxholes" rings true.
I worked at Chrysler a long time ago.
A crazy man came into the factory with three loaded guns and 200 + rounds of
ammo.
He shot at least 13 people dead and I've forgotten how many wounded.
He walked within a few feet of me, pointed the gun at my face and fired.
He missed.
No doubt on purpose.
Why?
Was I chosen to live?
NO!
I was lucky. For reasons I'll never know he just didn't want to shoot me.
He turned and shot another man in the back where I had been seconds ago.
Why am I alive?
I don't have a clue.

I believe superstition is the word for something that has no evidence at all. Myth is something for which we have evidence but no way of knowing whether the events took place or not.
I believe faith is founded on information we have that gives us confidence in our understanding. So for us, we take the Bible by faith because God inspired it.

I believe this is an unfounded faith and not faith at all but wishful thinking since the evidence is that Cleveland has not been good in the past and has not picked up the right players.

I believe I can have faith in the Patriots because they have a proven track record and still have Brady and Belichek.

I believe in Christianity there is a saying that there is no luck, only God's will.

 

[Muffled]

I believe the head plant means that you should have known this and now you are astounded to realize that it is true.