Do you believe in God?

[metis]

There actually is no evidence that fish developed legs by "natural selection" or "survival of the fittest."

There are some fish that can climb trees and walk on land, so...

No matter that many use their intellect to figure there either is no God or that whatever is out there cannot be understood or relied upon, I have found and believe the Bible to be a basic and true source of wisdom and guidance.

The Bible is a good book but not a science book or the only book. If you were a Hindu, you would likely believe in and praise the Bhagavad Gita.

I have both science books and several Bibles, but I don't read a science book for my religious faith or a Bible for my scientific information.

 

[metis]

I understand many think all life forms have evolved, however I no longer believe that way

It has been observed, such as a long-term study of fruit flies done where I did my grad work.

Again, life forms evolve, and this is by no means mere speculation.

 

[firedragon]

I have both science books and several Bibles, but I don't read a science book for my religious faith or a Bible for my scientific information.

Good approach.

 

[paarsurrey]

I don't read a science book for my religious faith or a Bible for my scientific information.

It is a practical approach, and a quotable quote from one, " winner" for one, please.
So, Religious Method is to be used for the religious issues and Scientific Method for the science issues, right, please?

Regards

 

[metis]

It is a practical approach, and a quotable quote from one, " winner" for one, please.
So, Religious Method is to be used for the religious issues and Scientific Method for the science issues, right, please?

Regards

I guess, but it is to each person which they prefer to use the most. However, I'm far from certain what a "Religious Method" is.

 

[Trailblazer]

I have noticed that poll's with this kind of question shows that most in this forum who are active are either Atheists or Agnostics. Actual religious people who believe in a God in a religious forum are the minority. It's not strange.

A belief in God is not absolutely due to a particular religion. It could also be based on reason and logic and it has been discussed for a long long time. Yet, it seems to be ignored and a lot of times the cart is shoved before the horse for whatever anti religious argumentation deemed needed.

Belief in God could stem from logical reasoning. Philosophical argumentation. Religions and scriptures are not absolutely necessary. I believe people should go to fundamentals rather than banking on peripherals to kill God. I think that's exactly what Nietzsche said being an Atheist with nihilistic tendencies.

What do you say??

I do not 'believe' in God, I know that God exists. I do not need proof to know. Proof is for people who need it.

That said, I believe that I have evidence for God's existence so my faith is not blind.

 

[firedragon]

I do not 'believe' in God, I know that God exists. I do not need proof to know. Proof is for people who need it.

That said, I believe that I have evidence for God's existence so my faith is not blind.

Good for you. Cheers.

 

[YoursTrue]

It has been observed, such as a long-term study of fruit flies done where I did my grad work.

Again, life forms evolve, and this is by no means mere speculation.

Interesting you're reminding me that I did a poster on fruit flies and mutations when I was in school. (They were fairly easy to draw...) However, from what I read, fruit flies, while said to evolve extraordinarily quickly, no one has seen them become something other than flies, right? And here I am trying to knock off some crummy cockroaches in my kitchen. “The pace and magnitude of these changes is unprecedented,” study coauthor Paul Schmidt, an evolutionary biologist at the University of Pennsylvania, tells The Scientist. “The pace of evolution was incredibly surprising. It’s super fast.” Fruit Flies Evolve in Time with the Seasons: Study
Well, if the human race lasts and scientists continue their research on fruit flies, maybe some think they'll find out fruit flies become something more or less than fruit flies.

 

[YoursTrue]

There are some fish that can climb trees and walk on land, so...



The Bible is a good book but not a science book or the only book. If you were a Hindu, you would likely believe in and praise the Bhagavad Gita.

I have both science books and several Bibles, but I don't read a science book for my religious faith or a Bible for my scientific information.

I agree obviously many are taught their familial religious beliefs (or lack of them) from infancy.
I do have a friend who was Hindu, in fact now that you mention it, two friends that were Hindus, born and raised in that environment, but studied the Bible and left the Hindu belief behind and are now Christian.

 

[metis]

However, from what I read, fruit flies, while said to evolve extraordinarily quickly, no one has seen them become something other than flies, right?

The point is that they and all life forms change over time, and some will form new species.

 

[metis]

I do have a friend who was Hindu, in fact now that you mention it, two friends that were Hindus, born and raised in that environment, but studied the Bible and left the Hindu belief behind and are now Christian.

And some have gone the other way.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Jesus was begotten. True. He is said to be the "only begotten."

What does "begotten" mean, in your view?

What makes Jesus "begotten" but not Adam (who is also described as a son of God - Luke 3:38)?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

The ToE does not negate the possibility of divine creation.

... in the same way that the theory of gravity doesn't negate the possibility of "Intelligent Falling."


The ToE merely renders the idea of divine creation redundant and silly.

 

[LuisDantas]

The Bible convinced me that it is not artificial and fragile.

If you say so.

 

[YoursTrue]

If you say so.

Thank you. I am speaking for myself, of course. Not you.

 

[YoursTrue]

And some have gone the other way.

That is true.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Well, science is not absolute. So if you are referring to absolute knowledge about the beginning of the universe using science as your epistemology, it's true that we don't have absolute knowledge of "this".

"Science is not absolute" does not imply "the claims I pull out of my butt become valid if I declare that they're 'beyond science.'"

 

[YoursTrue]

The point is that they and all life forms change over time, and some will form new species.

So far scientists, to my knowledge (maybe you or others know something more), have not demonstrated/proved/shown that fish do not remain fish, for instance, even though they change due to surroundings, and bacteria again, while changing, still have remained bacteria. OK, even houseflies remain houseflies. So far that's what it is. Birds remain birds, even with developing larger or smaller beaks, salmon remain salmon even when developing traits that enable them to adapt to different environment.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

So far scientists, to my knowledge (maybe you or others know something more), have not demonstrated/proved/shown that fish do not remain fish, for instance, even though they change due to surroundings, and bacteria again, while changing, still have remained bacteria. OK, even houseflies remain houseflies. So far that's what it is. Birds remain birds, even with developing larger or smaller beaks, salmon remain salmon even when developing traits that enable them to adapt to different environment.

How old is earth?

 

[YoursTrue]

How old is earth?

Do you want me to guess?