Do you believe in reincarnation or rebirth?

[Ben Dhyan]

Actually, I believe one can't go anywhere without being with God so the idea of a return to God has a different meaning and only refers to Jesus. I believe a spirit can go anywhere God allows since it is not burdened by a body.

The Spirit of God is omnipresent, so it does not go anywhere, the body is a physical form creation and thus subject to movement. The spirit of man/soul is not the same as the unmanifested omnipresent spirit of God, even though it is not discontinuous with the omnipresent source.

 

[Muffled]

The Spirit of God is omnipresent, so it does not go anywhere, the body is a physical form creation and thus subject to movement. The spirit of man/soul is not the same as the unmanifested omnipresent spirit of God, even though it is not discontinuous with the omnipresent source.

I believe the return in this case is not positional but in status. Jesus leaves the state of being in the body and returns to just being God.

I believe the spirit of man is finite and as such can go places.

 

[Nerissa]

It's the personality that resurfaces. Regardless if you identify it as "self"

Does that mean a personality is stable? I am hardly the same person I was five years ago. Meaning to say, it is hard for me to understand what is to be that "core" that is supposed to reincarnate. Is it my soul? I don't even understand what my soul is, exactly. Is it everything I think and feel and am?
The Buddhist view on reincarnation made more sense to me, but that was difficult to grasp too. I don't know, maybe I'm just a little dimwitted when it comes to such things.

 

[Goblin]

The personality creates a vortex of something of another that makes up the astral body, the self image.
It can die, dissipate, or be made at anytime

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I believe the return in this case is not positional but in status. Jesus leaves the state of being in the body and returns to just being God.

I believe the spirit of man is finite and as such can go places.

I understand what you are saying, but since you insist on introducing Jesus into the picture to make a distinction in what happens to the soul after death, it takes the thread off topic to pursue this line further here....but fyi, Imho....Jesus is not God in the way you imagine, but definitely a prophet

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I don't even understand what my soul is, exactly. Is it everything I think and feel and am?

The Buddhist view on reincarnation made more sense to me, but that was difficult to grasp too. I don't know, maybe I'm just a little dimwitted when it comes to such things.

Very good question...that is your task, first to find out what you are....and when that is understood, only then ask who you are?

..and please don't underestimate yourself....

 

[Muffled]

Does that mean a personality is stable? I am hardly the same person I was five years ago. Meaning to say, it is hard for me to understand what is to be that "core" that is supposed to reincarnate. Is it my soul? I don't even understand what my soul is, exactly. Is it everything I think and feel and am?
The Buddhist view on reincarnation made more sense to me, but that was difficult to grasp too. I don't know, maybe I'm just a little dimwitted when it comes to such things.

I believe the spirit does change some. The basic personality is the same but there are so many lives influencing the thinking in ways that should not be and the person needs to break through the lies to the truth..

I would be curious why one thinks so. I believe it to be materialistic and the evidence appears to be to the contrary as far as I can see. Certainly God has His own view of it and it differs from everyone elses.

 

[Muffled]

I understand what you are saying, but since you insist on introducing Jesus into the picture to make a distinction in what happens to the soul after death, it takes the thread off topic to pursue this line further here....but fyi, Imho....Jesus is not God in the way you imagine, but definitely a prophet

I have a string on Religious Debates titled "Did Jesus say He is God?" it has thousands of posts. I believe I have proven my point but obviously some people bring up the same old arguments to the contrary so I answer them also.

I suppose the concept is that Jesus is different spiritually since He is God in the flesh. However I believe that He has not counteracted the natural way death and separation from the body take place. In a sense a resurrection is a form of reincanation only to the same body instead of a new one.

 

[12jtartar]

Do you believe in reincarnation or rebirth?

Gambit,
I believe whatever the Bible says, and if I find something in the Holy Scriptures that I did not know, I am very willing and happy to learn, and I will change my belief instantly when I find something I did not know, or had a wrong idea about.
To hold onto long believed doctrines that are proved wrong, is believing in The Sacred Cow, or a Home Truth. These doctrines can be pseudo doctrine, or even worse, Cacodoxy.
The belief in reincarnation, I believe is belief in a Cacodoxy, because it goes against everything the Bible says about the life that God has given us. Reincarnation is also called Migration of souls from one person to another, or even to animals.
To begin; neither mankind or animals HAVE a soul. The Bible states very clearly at Genesis 2:7, that God formed Adam from the dust of the earth, then blew into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man BECAME living soul. The soul is the life of the person, animals are souls, Gen 1:20. God the Creator even has recorded that His life is a soul, Ps 11:5, Pr 6:16.
When explaining how the soul is formed, Traducianism is closest. The soul comes from the parents, who have been given the ability to procreate, by Jehovah God.
There is no need for souls to migrate, for God has promised that there is going to be a resurrection of dead ones, John 5:28,29, even a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous, Acts 24:15. The term resurrection means a standing up again to life. Only the ones that God classes as evil will not be brought back to life.
There is one scripture that bears directly on the idea of reincarnation, Rom 9:10,11. Consider what verse 11 tells us; it says that before Jacob and Esau were born to Isaac they had done nothing, either good or bad. This means that they did not live before as souls, because if they existed before, they would have had to do something, something either good or bad. They or their souls never existed before they were born to Isaac and Rebekah.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Gambit,
I believe whatever the Bible says, and if I find something in the Holy Scriptures that I did not know, I am very willing and happy to learn, and I will change my belief instantly when I find something I did not know, or had a wrong idea about.
To hold onto long believed doctrines that are proved wrong, is believing in The Sacred Cow, or a Home Truth. These doctrines can be pseudo doctrine, or even worse, Cacodoxy.
The belief in reincarnation, I believe is belief in a Cacodoxy, because it goes against everything the Bible says about the life that God has given us. Reincarnation is also called Migration of souls from one person to another, or even to animals.
To begin; neither mankind or animals HAVE a soul. The Bible states very clearly at Genesis 2:7, that God formed Adam from the dust of the earth, then blew into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man BECAME living soul. The soul is the life of the person, animals are souls, Gen 1:20. God the Creator even has recorded that His life is a soul, Ps 11:5, Pr 6:16.
When explaining how the soul is formed, Traducianism is closest. The soul comes from the parents, who have been given the ability to procreate, by Jehovah God.
There is no need for souls to migrate, for God has promised that there is going to be a resurrection of dead ones, John 5:28,29, even a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous, Acts 24:15. The term resurrection means a standing up again to life. Only the ones that God classes as evil will not be brought back to life.
There is one scripture that bears directly on the idea of reincarnation, Rom 9:10,11. Consider what verse 11 tells us; it says that before Jacob and Esau were born to Isaac they had done nothing, either good or bad. This means that they did not live before as souls, because if they existed before, they would have had to do something, something either good or bad. They or their souls never existed before they were born to Isaac and Rebekah.

The breath of God is the soul of all man...from Adam on.....evolution is the learning that takes place in the soul from experience....reincarnation when properly understood...is that the source of the soul of all mankind in time and location is one and the same...God...that is why all living being after Adam are reincarnations....the Lord God is One...(Love thy God with all thy heart, mind, soul, and strength....and love thy neighbour as yourself)