TagliatelliMonster
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Do you believe in reincarnation?
No.
Why? Why not?
Because when you die, your brain decomposes.
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Do you believe in reincarnation?
Why? Why not?
No. It is unevidenced speculation and adds additional unnecessary assumptions in my opinion.Do you believe in reincarnation?Why? Why not?
Ok, thank you. I think it is not the same as reincarnation, if people are raised from the death.Hebrews 9:27 isn't the only scripture in the Bible with a claim of what will allegedly happen in the afterlife.
There is also Ecclesiastes 3:21, which asks, "Who knows if the human spirit rises upward and if the spirit of the animal goes down into the earth?” Then there is Revelation 20:13, which clearly states, "The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done." Furthermore, 1 Thessalonians 4:13–17 and Revelation 20:11–15 both suggest that the souls of believers and unbelievers are sleeping in their graves and awaiting God's judgment in the end times. There are several other verses that describe "soul sleep," such as Daniel 12:2, 2 Chronicles 32:33, 2 Chronicles 33:20, 1 Kings 15:8, 1 Kings 16:28, 2 Kings 13:13, 2 Kings 14:29, and John 11:11–15. These verses seemingly conflict with 2 Corinthians 5:8, which implies that believers are in the presence of Jesus after death. Isn't it more accurate to include these verses as well?
I have understood reincarnate means one is born many times again in different forms. I don't think Bible is speaking of that.What if the "judgement" was to reincarnate?
There are different ways to consider reincarnation.I have understood reincarnate means one is born many times again in different forms. I don't think Bible is speaking of that.
I don't say there can't be. But before saying there is philosophies of life that can provide us insight, I would like to see it.IYO, isn't it possible that other truths may be taught and encouraged in some other religions? I'm happy you believe in the Bible, but can't there also be other holy books or philosophies of life that can provide us insight?
Would you say the same rule should apply about going to heaven or hell?I don't say there can't be. But before saying there is philosophies of life that can provide us insight, I would like to see it.
It's certainly one possibility that can occur and it does happen. The Norse believed in reincarnation among family lines. Sometimes a dead father would be reborn to his son and so on.I believe strongly in reincarnation because of God's love for us. God give his children many chances to learn and grow . Our soul learn lessons on this earth. I believe we get reincarnated many times for our soul to grow
Do you believe in reincarnation?Why? Why not?
Reincarnation is a sham perpetuated by archonic demons who keep us trapped in a cycle of life and death on a prison planet. Ignore the light. Ignore your loved ones and your gods. (Mere illusions). Find a hole in the sky grid and escape into the true reality. There's nothing to learn here. You cannot learn in a system that wipes your memory after every "lesson". That's absurd.I believe strongly in reincarnation because of God's love for us. God give his children many chances to learn and grow . Our soul learn lessons on this earth. I believe we get reincarnated many times for our soul to grow
Do you believe in reincarnation?Why? Why not?
yesWould you say the same rule should apply about going to heaven or hell?
So, what you're telling me is that God didn't give a diddly damn about any humans before 30 c.e. or in other areas of the world who never heard of Jesus. Do you really think that's logical?
If you think so, you have misunderstood me.So, what you're telling me is that God didn't give a diddly damn about any humans before 30 c.e. or in other areas of the world who never heard of Jesus.
It's a real educated guess but promising.I used to, it made more sense to me than any of the other options
Right now I'm not so sure.........
I'm beginning to think that it is not possible for anyone to know what happens after death from the position of being alive
But I am quite convinced that death is not the end
I suppose I'll eventually find out, as will we all
But the above avoids answering he simple question as didn't God care about people before Jesus' time and in areas of the world that didn't or don't know anything about him? And what about people who behave morally and compassionately in other religions or who are nontheistic?If you think so, you have misunderstood me.
I think God cares of all people. But, obviously many people have also rejected God and don't want to hear Him. However, I think people who have chance, because eternal life is promised for those who are righteous and it is possible to count person righteous, even if he has not heard of Jesus, by this:
For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without the law. As many as have sinned under the law will be judged by the law. For it isn't the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law will be justified for when Gentiles who don't have the law do by nature the things of the law, these, not having the law, are a law to themselves, in that they show the work of the law written in their hearts, their con-science testifying with them, and their thoughts among them-selves accusing or else excusing them in the day when God will judge the secrets of men, according to my Gospel, by Jesus Christ.
Romans 2:12-16
These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Matt. 25:46
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 6:23
But the above avoids answering he simple question as didn't God care about people before Jesus' time and in areas of the world that didn't or don't know anything about him? And what about people who behave morally and compassionately in other religions or who are nontheistic?
I think God cares of all people.
But, obviously many people have also rejected God and don't want to hear Him. However, I think people who have chance, because eternal life is promised for those who are righteous and it is possible to count person righteous, even if he has not heard of Jesus, by this:
For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without the law. As many as have sinned under the law will be judged by the law. For it isn't the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law will be justified for when Gentiles who don't have the law do by nature the things of the law, these, not having the law, are a law to themselves, in that they show the work of the law written in their hearts, their con-science testifying with them, and their thoughts among them-selves accusing or else excusing them in the day when God will judge the secrets of men, according to my Gospel, by Jesus Christ.
Romans 2:12-16
These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Matt. 25:46
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 6:23
Yes, I have issue with those scriptures and many others."For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life." - John 3:16
This verse claims that God loves the world. But is that actually true? I ask because of Proverbs 16:4, which states he creates wicked people for his own purpose. I wonder how Christians will justify God creating wicked people. I ask, How can God be all-loving if he creates some people to be wicked?
FYI, Bible Hub provides several versions of this verse: Proverbs 16:4.
KJV: "The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil."
NIV: "The LORD works out everything to its proper end— even the wicked for a day of disaster."
ESV: "The LORD has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of trouble."
Wicked: 1. evil or immoral; 2. maliciously or mischievously playful; 3. severe and distressing.
According to this verse, he creates wicked people, and according to Isaiah 45:7, he also creates evil. Furthermore, according to Genesis 6:6-7, he regretted creating not only mankind but also every animal, every creature that creeps on the ground, and the birds of the air. I would think that an omniscient (Psalm 139:1-6; Isaiah 46:9–10; 1 John 3:20), omnipotent (Psalm 147:5; Job 42:2; Daniel 2:21), and omnipresent (Psalm 139:7–10; Isaiah 40:12; Colossians 1:17) God would know better than to create something that he foreknew he would later regret creating. The Bible contains other verses that mention God's regrets in addition to creating mankind (1 Samuel 15:11; 2 Samuel 24:16; Jeremiah 42:10). There are some verses describing him changing his mind about bringing disasters down on his own people as punishment for their sins against him (Jeremiah 26:13; 1 Chronicles 21:15; Joel 2:13). For the record, Jeremiah 26:13, 1 Chronicles 21:15, and Joel 2:13 coincide with Isaiah 45:7 (NIV), which says, "I form the light and create darkness; I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the Lord, do all these things." The New King James uses the word "calamity" instead of disaster, and the KJV uses the word "evil" instead of disaster or calamity.
KJV: "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."
Evil:
1. Morally bad or wrong; wicked, 2. Causing ruin, injury, or pain; harmful, 3. Characterized by or indicating misfortune; ominous.
NIV: "I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things."
Disaster:
1. An occurrence causing widespread destruction and distress; a catastrophe; 2. A grave misfortune, and 3. A total failure.
ESV: "I form light and create darkness; I make well-being and create calamity; I am the LORD, who does all these things."
Calamity: 1. An event that brings terrible loss, lasting distress, or severe affliction; a disaster, 2. Dire distress resulting from loss or tragedy; 3. Any great misfortune or cause of misery; in general, any event or disaster which produces extensive evils, as loss of crops, earthquakes, etc., but also applied to any misfortune which brings great distress on a person; misfortune; distress; adversity.
I don't think that means God creates someone to be wicked. I think it means, the wicked also serve the purposes of God. The wicked may have bad intentions, but God can turn all their evil doings for His benefit in the end.If this is true, then why do you think he creates some people to be wicked?
"The LORD has made everything for his own purposes, even the wicked for a day of disaster." - Proverbs 16:4 (NLT)
Being saved means on is saved from the judgment that would come because of sin. When Jesus forgave sins, he saved the person from the judgment. But, he also said "sin no more". I think this could be compared to a criminal who is pardoned and released early from the prison, if he after that brakes the law, he will go back in jail and the earlier pardon is not useful and it is not useful to say "I was pardoned, now I can brake the law all the time freely".....However, there is an apparent loophole in this seemingly hopeful promise, such as the implication that a person could lose their salvation and be eternally damned if they don't follow God's will.
....and this is not from yourselves; it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast." In my opinion, if someone gives you something as a gift but arbitrarily takes the gift away because you don't follow their rules, then it isn't a gift. I don't consider something a gift if the one who gave it to me could ruthlessly take it away if I don't obey them.