Do You Believe that Evolution is True?

[Pah]

pah(nice selective choice of definition for adaptation if i don't say so my self)-adaptation-Physiology. The responsive adjustment of a sense organ, such as the eye, to varying conditions, such as light intensity.

Try again. This time in High School biology.

Bob

 

[HelpMe]

yes cerid.

we adapt to rain by coming indoors, this is not evolution.

try again.

 

[The Voice of Reason]

yes cerid.
we adapt to rain by coming indoors, this is not evolution.
try again.

Try again.

TVOR

 

[Pah]

yes cerid.

we adapt to rain by coming indoors, this is not evolution.

try again.

Only if, as you are, made of salt must you get out of the rain. Why esle would you be afraid of the rain?

Bob

 

[HelpMe]

thank you two for not nullifying my point, or agreeing with eachother.

 

[The Voice of Reason]

thank you two for not nullifying my point, or agreeing with eachother.

Try again.

TVOR

 

[Ark]

Looks like an OK spot to throw my 2 cents in.

The "Big Bang" theory is just what it says...a theory. There should be no doubt that the history of the world is not without its evolutionary processes. People tend to become confused about how there can be a "creation" AND an evolutionary process. Well, there CAN be both. The entire point of Religion is missed, because humans simply did NOT evolve from the ape. They were created by God/Angels in their image. The reason that there can be found no missing link between a supposed evolutionary process between apes and humans is because the link does not exist. One must understand that in ancient times when humankind was not so powerfully addicted to food and humankinds longevity was several hundred years or more, there existed those who carried a genetic insanity due to ancestral incest. They had very powerful addictions to food and in earlier times...even blood. Naturally their sexual drives were much greater than those who lived by the laws of God regarding potential addictions and at one point resorted to bestiality to compensate. Hence, they created offspring that was part ape. These half-human/half-ape groups died out because they did not have the moral background to sustain them well. They were born of sexual desires rather than a natural matrimonial sense of male/female partnership.

Hence, the confusion. Hence, the notion of there once existing stages of human developement periods such as "Cro-Magnon" etc... Not true.

There will come a time when Science will be developed to the point where many spiritual questions can be answered. When science discovers that humans are actually hybrids of other life-forms on the planet (even reptilian), science will understand more about the creation. Science will also begin to understand that the relation of humankind to "animal spirits" by the American Indians is not just based upon storybook fabrications but much more reality based than ever previously considered.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Hence, the notion of there once existing stages of human developement periods such as "Cro-Magnon" etc... Not true.

Based on what? Your litany of unsubstantiated beliefs and preachy platitudes? Not good enough.

 

[Mister Emu]

One must understand that in ancient times when humankind was not so powerfully addicted to food and humankinds longevity was several hundred years or more, there existed those who carried a genetic insanity due to ancestral incest. They had very powerful addictions to food and in earlier times...even blood. Naturally their sexual drives were much greater than those who lived by the laws of God regarding potential addictions and at one point resorted to bestiality to compensate. Hence, they created offspring that was part ape. These half-human/half-ape groups died out because they did not have the moral background to sustain them well. They were born of sexual desires rather than a natural matrimonial sense of male/female partnership

:areyoucra

So, the not so human humans are half-ape love children of the end result of incestuous isanity and ape beastiality? And, they died out because they did not have the morals needed to survive? Just trying to make sure that is what your saying.

 

[Druidus]

The "Big Bang" theory is just what it says...a theory. There should be no doubt that the history of the world is not without its evolutionary processes. People tend to become confused about how there can be a "creation" AND an evolutionary process. Well, there CAN be both. The entire point of Religion is missed, because humans simply did NOT evolve from the ape. They were created by God/Angels in their image. The reason that there can be found no missing link between a supposed evolutionary process between apes and humans is because the link does not exist. One must understand that in ancient times when humankind was not so powerfully addicted to food and humankinds longevity was several hundred years or more, there existed those who carried a genetic insanity due to ancestral incest. They had very powerful addictions to food and in earlier times...even blood. Naturally their sexual drives were much greater than those who lived by the laws of God regarding potential addictions and at one point resorted to bestiality to compensate. Hence, they created offspring that was part ape. These half-human/half-ape groups died out because they did not have the moral background to sustain them well. They were born of sexual desires rather than a natural matrimonial sense of male/female partnership.

Hence, the confusion. Hence, the notion of there once existing stages of human developement periods such as "Cro-Magnon" etc... Not true.

There will come a time when Science will be developed to the point where many spiritual questions can be answered. When science discovers that humans are actually hybrids of other life-forms on the planet (even reptilian), science will understand more about the creation. Science will also begin to understand that the relation of humankind to "animal spirits" by the American Indians is not just based upon storybook fabrications but much more reality based than ever previously considered.

Wow! That post has made me renounce all my beliefs! I believe everything in the bible is true now, and everything that you say is divinely inspired! Amazing! You must be a prophet! I think I'll go join a monastery! *Dons a brown robe*

Seriously? Cro-Magnon coming about as a hybrid of human and ape? That's impossible. The only apes that might be compatible with humans are the chimpanzee and the bonobo. Even if, in the infinitismally small chance that humans mated succesfully with apes, the offspring would be sterile, much like a mule (product of a horse and a donkey) is.

You contradict yourself. You first say that in ancient times, mankind was not so powerfully addicted to food (disregarding the fact that we are, in fact, not addicted. It just happens to be necessary for life), but then you say that they were powerfully addicted to food (amongst other things).

This "genetic insanity" you speak of. How did it disappear? Logically, if they had a "genetic insanity", it would stick, because there were no new genes introduced.

You must understand that we are a species of ape. What do you mean "moral background"? Were the early Christians moral when they tortured supposed "witches"? When they destroyed entire religions, and, indeed races? Killing and torturing (Mind you, these tortures were undeviatingly and unequivocally sadistic) the Mayans, Incans, Aztecs, Native Americans, Druids, Muslims, and on into infinitum. Was this moral? It seems to me that Christians should have died off back then, as they appear to not have a good enough "moral background".

Please, find some proof to support your theory, and I will be entirely willing to listen. Think it through a bit more. As of now, much of it is entirely quixotic.

Do not take this the wrong way; I, in no way, mean to be hostile.

 

[Ceridwen018]

The entire point of Religion is missed, because humans simply did NOT evolve from the ape. They were created by God/Angels in their image.

Scientific evidence shows that humans do indeed share a common ancestor with the ape.

Current score: Evolution: 1 Creationism: 0

The reason that there can be found no missing link between a supposed evolutionary process between apes and humans is because the link does not exist.

Actually, links have been found. This kind of goes along with the first idea, but we'll give evolution another point anyhow:

Evolution: 2 Creationism: 0

One must understand that in ancient times when humankind was not so powerfully addicted to food and humankinds longevity was several hundred years or more, there existed those who carried a genetic insanity due to ancestral incest. They had very powerful addictions to food and in earlier times...even blood. Naturally their sexual drives were much greater than those who lived by the laws of God regarding potential addictions and at one point resorted to bestiality to compensate. Hence, they created offspring that was part ape. These half-human/half-ape groups died out because they did not have the moral background to sustain them well. They were born of sexual desires rather than a natural matrimonial sense of male/female partnership.

First of all, I would love to see a reference for this information. Secondly, I have just a few objections:
1. There is no evidence of humans ever living 'several thousands of years'
2. There is no evidence that humans used to abnormally interested in food
3. There is no evidence that the human race ever had a genetic insanity problem due to incest
4. There is no evidence that the 'godless', (and by godless, I am of course referring to those who did not belive in your god, because I assure you that all ancient peoples had gods in one form or another.), had greater sex drives than the 'holy'
5. Even if people did revert to bestiality back in the day, it is not possible for a human to breed with an ape and produce offspring.
6. People do not die from a 'lack of moral background', especially not back in those days when instinct was still king
7. If you think that ancient peoples paid a whole lot of attention to, 'natural matrimonial sense of male/female partnership', you're fooling yourself.

Again, many of these point may be cleared up when you present your source.

 

[The Voice of Reason]

Other than that, Ark, I'd say Ceridwen agrees with your post.

TVOR

 

[Scuba Pete]

Yeah, it's kinda hard to tell how they differ in their opinions.

 

[painted wolf]

if humans are not related to/decended from apes then why do humans and Chimpanzees share just a smidge over 98% of our DNA, 96% with Bonobos and so on down to gorillas and furthest out Oragnutans. Meanwhile we only have 60% DNA in common with Mice.

Dispite this similarity, we can not (no matter what racists and other groups want to think) breed with the other apes. It is eaven less likely for us to produce ofspring with Reptiles as they share eaven less similarity with us.

Also humans are not the only ones to have had religion. There is ample evidence that Neandertals had a sence of religion and the afterlife. They buried thier dead with grave goods, kept shrines mostly of cave bear skulls and made ritual objects. Their is eaven some evidence that H. erectus also held some religious beliefs, in the way they treated thier dead.

wa:do

 

[Pah]

Looks like an OK spot to throw my 2 cents in.
There will come a time when Science will be developed to the point where many spiritual questions can be answered. When science discovers that humans are actually hybrids of other life-forms on the planet (even reptilian), science will understand more about the creation. Science will also begin to understand that the relation of humankind to "animal spirits" by the American Indians is not just based upon storybook fabrications but much more reality based than ever previously considered.

Already done. Spirituality is ultimately a product of biology and sociological pressure.

Bob

 

[croak]

How do we know that Neanderthals weren't a seperate species? If you say the head design is different, well, there are many people who have different-shaped skulls. Need examples?

 

[painted wolf]

first off no one has a skull that different. Brain case is shorter and longer than human (yet held a larger brain than human). The brain is shaped quite differently, especally in the way it sits in the skull and in the size of the occipital bun. There is no chin, the lacramal ridge (eyebrows) were a massive piece of protruding bone and that just covers some of the skull... there are also numerous differences in the skeleton.
Check out these comparisons:
http://sapphire.indstate.edu/~ramanank/heads-sk.gif
http://sapphire.indstate.edu/~ramanank/neander-comparison.gif
http://sapphire.indstate.edu/~ramanank/brains.gif

Also we have DNA. Neandertals were not human, nor were they our direct ancestors but close cousins. (Although brother is probably closer)
http://www.psu.edu/ur/NEWS/news/Neandertal.html

wa:do

 

[Valjean]

"how do we know that Neanderthals weren't a seperate species?"

Neanderthals were a seperate species. Prior to current DNA technology there was great debate among anthropologists as to the degree of relationship between H. sapiens and neandertalensis, and whether neanderthals died out or interbred with sapiens.

No more. Genomic analysis clearly showed that there was no way that neanderthals could interbreed with cro-magnons (us). The degree of difference astonished even the most rabid seperatists. They looked so much like us -- but they were so not us.

 

[croak]

I have a page proving Allah exists. Although you guys are probably going to find a flaw in it, obviously....

http://www.garnertedarmstrong.ws/pubs/CreateAdam.htm

About evolving from apes:
http://www.gennet.org/facts/metro05.html

Here's Mr. Neanderthal again: http://media.isnet.org/iptek/Evolution/Neanderthals.html
And a nice quote: "Tests on Neanderthal DNA have suggested it is too different to be human, but that assertion is also controversial." So, how can I be so sure that Neanderthals aren't that different? This is a confusing world........

 

[HelpMe]

an ancestor of ours without opposable thumbs?intriguing indeed.

...*remembers 4yr old nephew repeating "why" even after the question has been answered*...
are you growing up or down tvor?