Do you believe that Islam is a fair and just religion?

[mestupid]

"Politics and greed for power have controlled our religions for a while, but everything is changing."

See what an s can do?

 

[TashaN]

No worries, doll. I don't know you well, either. We ought to work on that.

Indeed. I will start off by inviting you to a virtual cup of coffee.

 

[Storm]

Indeed. I will start off by inviting you to a virtual cup of coffee.

Hee! OK, so maybe you know me a little!

 

[TashaN]

"Politics and greed for power have controlled our religions for a while, but everything is changing."

See what an s can do?

"s"?

 

[TashaN]

Hee! OK, so maybe you know me a little!

:yes:

 

[loverOfTruth]

Deny, deny, deny. We're done.

Actually, I am not denying anything - you are. You are denying the fact that the west can have some serious problems on some issues that the Muslims don't have.

I am being very honest here. First of all, it will be like a suicide for the Muslims to deny that such problems exist in the Muslim world (if they really do) - cause it is about the most precious thing anyone has - it is about our children. So no one would do that.

Secondly, neither do I hate the west and nor am I in the business to point out all the faults of the west. I only brought that issue up when you brought up something really untoward about Islam. In fact, I will gladly point out that I really admire some exceptional qualities of the people of the West which Muslims should have(as per Islam) but unfortunately don't. For example, the way they treat the handicapped, animals, environment etc.

So my point really is to be fair and just to all. What I see wrong, I will point out - whether it be of the West or of the Muslims. Hope this clarifies my point.

Peace.

 

[Storm]

Actually, I am not denying anything - you are. You are denying the fact that the west can have some serious problems on some issues that the Muslims don't have.

No. I'm rejecting the ridiculous claim that choosing religion x makes you immune to particularly loathed psychiatric disorders. Do you see the difference?

I am being very honest here. First of all, it will be like a suicide for the Muslims to deny that such problems exist in the Muslim world (if they really do) - cause it is about the most precious thing anyone has - it is about our children. So no one would do that.

Unless they had a particular psychiatric disorder.

 

[loverOfTruth]

No. I'm rejecting the ridiculous claim that choosing religion x makes you immune to particularly loathed psychiatric disorders. Do you see the difference?

I am not saying that 'just' choosing religion x makes you immune. It is the culture/environment/association and teachings that come with the religion 'x' that protects you from developing those 'psychiatric disorders'.

Unless they had a particular psychiatric disorder.

You and your 'psychiatric disorder' - I guess the whole muslim world is Psychotic. No crime is committed by anyone with a normal/sensible mind then. Who would kill a person in their right mind ? Those crazy poor Muslim extremists with 'psychiatric disorders' - end of story.

 

[Me Myself]

I am not saying that 'just' choosing religion x makes you immune. It is the culture/environment/association and teachings that come with the religion 'x' that protects you from developing those 'psychiatric disorders'.

You would still be wrong though. You can simply be born with a derangement and deal with it your entire life, then everything of the culture, enviroment, etc will be seen and learned through the lens of your disorder.

It´s naive to think that being a Muslim protects your completely from anything.

You and your 'psychiatric disorder' - I guess the whole muslim world is Psychotic.

Where did she said the whole Muslim world? she merely said there are some Muslims that are psychotic.

Who would kill a person in their right mind ?

Not a lot of people.

Those crazy poor Muslim extremists with 'psychiatric disorders' - end of story.

Indeed poor them, but I am much more concerned with their victims.

 

[Storm]

I am not saying that 'just' choosing religion x makes you immune. It is the culture/environment/association and teachings that come with the religion 'x' that protects you from developing those 'psychiatric disorders'.


You and your 'psychiatric disorder' - I guess the whole muslim world is Psychotic. No crime is committed by anyone with a normal/sensible mind then. Who would kill a person in their right mind ? Those crazy poor Muslim extremists with 'psychiatric disorders' - end of story.

Show me the entry in the DSM which leads people to become suicide bombers. Or for that matter, Unabombers. (Think real hard about that example - can you guess why I picked it?)

While you're at it, quote the post where I said Muslims are all terrorists and criminals.

Or, you know, just apologize for putting words in my mouth.

 

[loverOfTruth]

Show me the entry in the DSM which leads people to become suicide bombers. Or for that matter, Unabombers. (Think real hard about that example - can you guess why I picked it?)

While you're at it, quote the post where I said Muslims are all terrorists and criminals.

Or, you know, just apologize for putting words in my mouth.

DSM might be your authoritative yardstick - but not mine. There are lots of debate as to whether pedophilia is or is not a mental disorder. Even APA considering dropping pedophilia from their list of 'mental disorders'. So regardless of what you claim, I do not consider it to be a 'mental disorder' which people have no choice over.

You stated 'Unless they had a particular psychiatric disorder.' - in response to my statement meaning - no Muslim would deny that the problem of pedophilia exist in the muslim world if it truly existed [If I misunderstood this part, my apology]. As far as I know, majority of Muslim would deny it because it doesn't exist. So from that I concluded that 'the whole muslim world is Psychotic'.

 

[Storm]

DSM might be your authoritative yardstick - but not mine.

Please, feel free to point out a higher authority on what is or is not a psychiatric disorder.

 

[loverOfTruth]

Please, feel free to point out a higher authority on what is or is not a psychiatric disorder.

If you are willing to accept the manufacturer of anything as the highest authority to describe what that thing is, what it can do or its limitations, or how to fix its problems - then you should do the same for human beings. The Creator of the human beings should be the ultimate authority to tell us what is natural or unnatural or problematic for human beings. So you should probably check out the instruction manual for human beings - the Holy Qur'an.

 

[Storm]

Right... the Qur'an is a better psychological diagnostic tool than the DSM.

Yeah, don't bother responding. I certainly won't.

 

[loverOfTruth]

Right... the Qur'an is a better psychological diagnostic tool than the DSM.




Yeah, don't bother responding. I certainly won't.

Thanks.

 

[Storm]

OK, I know I said I wouldn't respond, but this is just sad. Why not just chant "I'm rubber and you're glue?" At least that would be ironic.

 

[loverOfTruth]

OK, I know I said I wouldn't respond, but this is just sad. Why not just chant "I'm rubber and you're glue?" At least that would be ironic.

I have nothing personal against you. Peace.

 

[Storm]

Not sure I believe that, but whatever.

 

[darkendless]

The Creator of the human beings should be the ultimate authority to tell us what is natural or unnatural or problematic for human beings. So you should probably check out the instruction manual for human beings - the Holy Qur'an.

Please stick to facts instead of wild speculation, you're making reading an otherwise functioning debate very difficult.

Your beliefs do not contribute to the credibility of your argument. Please site a CREDIBLE source with authority on mental issues.

 

[Avoice]

It seems to me that any religion that is fairly balanced and written to show mercy and love to all would be corrupted by some by taking scriptures out of context. This applies to Judaic, Christian and Islamic religions.

Nazis corrupt Christianity, Jews keep their people educated in the Torah and Islam has more than enough who take liberties to abuse from the Q'ran.